Opinions on the hobby in regards to John Wall

WalterAZ31 · 12-16-2011, 12:07 PM

so last season, most of his midrange product Auto's sold for roughly $90-120

then the season ends and the lockout happens

as of now, Auto RC's , from stuff like R&S, Prestige, Timeless Treasures, Donruss can now be had around $75

Obviously the lockout hasn't hurt the high end stuff like National Treasures, and even his Gold Standard Auto's have still done well

what would it take for his cards to climb back to original selling points?? a few games into the season and Wall putting up good stats??

are they low enough where it would take a playoff appearance?

Thx for any thoughts.

XARZY · 12-16-2011, 12:12 PM

Its been talked about plenty times in many 'investment' threads.

His NT is overpriced because there arent many 'really nice' oncard/gu sets from last year. The hobby success of JWall depends not only on his scoring/stats and the success of the wizards but also on how flashy he is. The more he ends up on ESPNs top highlights, the more interest in him that there will be. Blake Griffin had how many highlight dunks last year? consider that stuff into how prices were high for him.

When the next batch of rc cards comes out Wall autos will start to cool off as ESPN and NBATV focus on the next best thing and the ROY race.

WalterAZ31 · 12-16-2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by XARZY

Its been talked about plenty times in many 'investment' threads.

His NT is overpriced because there arent many 'really nice' oncard/gu sets from last year. The hobby success of JWall depends not only on his scoring/stats and the success of the wizards but also on how flashy he is. The more he ends up on ESPNs top highlights, the more interest in him that there will be. Blake Griffin had how many highlight dunks last year? consider that stuff into how prices were high for him.

When the next batch of rc cards comes out Wall autos will start to cool off as ESPN and NBATV focus on the next best thing and the ROY race.

good points

Thats another question i've been tryiing to get answer for. When will be the first Panini 11-12 sets come out??

tupark82 · 12-16-2011, 01:05 PM

as soon as the season starts, i think u'll see it back to where it originally was. and then it will likely rise and rise hard if he does well. i disagree that the wizards even need to do well for it to rise. if he kills it, so will his value. that's not to say there won't be added value if the wizards do win.

paul06901 · 12-16-2011, 01:07 PM

My personal opinion, is he is extremely overrated. Both in the hobby and as a player in the league.

I won't get into detail, but that's how I feel!

hazenuts · 12-16-2011, 01:33 PM

His stuff is way overpriced, there is virtually no room for the NT RPA will grow if they are going for $1500 to $2000 at the current level. The current price already priced in that Wall must be an allstar and MVP-level PG, if he fail to do so, I can see his stuff goes down to low $1000's level

Fraser9698 · 12-16-2011, 01:58 PM

Seems like people are all or nothing with John Wall. No point in arguing with anyone because nobody is going to change the other's mind. I will say one thing...whether he turns into a MVP contender or not ---> he's a human highlight film.

pat10021839 · 12-16-2011, 02:05 PM

Look at Derrick Rose and how much all of his cards went up in value last season, his SPA to 299 sells for around a grand raw. John Wall only has one really high end rookie auto and if he is a sports center top plays guy his cards will get to the level of Griffin and Rose.

hazenuts · 12-16-2011, 08:49 PM

John Wall in his first pre-season game looks awful .. 1 for 8, 2 AST and 6 TO, team is losing by 40 in 3rd QTR. Rose's RPA shot up to $2500+ 'cause he has the numbers and his team won games, Wall is fast and big but he lacks BBIQ, he only knows how to play in one speed.

Like I said he has a lot to improve just to catch up to the priced in hype the market has given to his NT RPA

pat10021839 · 12-16-2011, 10:18 PM

I am just compairing what prices can end up being. Rose did not have a great first two seasons but busted his ass in the off season to improve his game, maybe Wall will do the samething but maybe he won't.

Oh and his cards have already started to go back up.

paul06901 · 12-16-2011, 10:48 PM

I would think his best cards, NT, topped out during the release of the set. The best RC in the set. Now that NT is no longer on fire, the Wall has begun to level out. He cant win ROY, and I don't see him leading his team anywhere. Plus as mentioned earlier, his bball IQ isn't the best and he isn't very consistent. The mere fact that a Deron Williams exquisite is worth less is pure ludicrous. I can see Wall slowly losing even more value as the season progresses.

tupark82 · 12-16-2011, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hazenuts

John Wall in his first pre-season game looks awful .. 1 for 8, 2 AST and 6 TO, team is losing by 40 in 3rd QTR. Rose's RPA shot up to $2500+ 'cause he has the numbers and his team won games, Wall is fast and big but he lacks BBIQ, he only knows how to play in one speed.

Like I said he has a lot to improve just to catch up to the priced in hype the market has given to his NT RPA

lol are you serious. that's just flat out wrong right there. he's got more basketball iq than rose will ever have. just a crazy baseless claim right there, for real. if u think wall "only knows one speed", wat speed do u exactly think rose plays in?

tigerace55 · 12-16-2011, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tupark82

lol are you serious. that's just flat out wrong right there. he's got more basketball iq than rose will ever have. just a crazy baseless claim right there, for real. if u think wall "only knows one speed", wat speed do u exactly think rose plays in?

ROSE > WALL . Stop right there ! Don't wana here any more of this from anyone thanks !

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IndySportsCards · 12-16-2011, 11:34 PM

In my opinion, if you're not a John Wall fan, sell, sell, sell. I doubt his cards EVER get any higher.

hazenuts · 12-16-2011, 11:35 PM

Talk is cheap, let's just see how many games Wall can win as the leader for the Wiz. Base on last season and the pre-season game which they just got blown out, Wall doesn't look anymore than an athletic PG

pat10021839 · 12-17-2011, 07:52 AM

Deron Williams rookie year
GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
80 47 28.8 .421 .416 .704 2.4 4.5 .8 .2 10.8

Derrick Rose
81 80 37.0 .475 .222 .788 3.9 6.3 .8 .2 16.8

John Wall
69 64 37.8 .409 .296 .766 4.6 8.3 1.8 0.5 16.4

I will not say that Wall will have a better career than either Williams or Rose but he put up almost identical numbers compared to them in their rookie season. And to say anything about numbers in the first preseason game after a week of practice is garbage.

stephenu88 · 12-17-2011, 08:31 AM

Last night he looked like SH|T. Just a preseason game though!! Jrue looked great!
GO SIXERS!!!

Fraser9698 · 12-17-2011, 11:03 AM

Dude had a bad preseason game and people are hopping off the ledge...makes sense.

pat10021839 · 12-17-2011, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Fraser9698

Dude had a bad preseason game and people are hopping off the ledge...makes sense.

That's why they should sell us all of their Wall autos for cheep since he is going to be such a bad player

burke23 · 12-17-2011, 02:01 PM

Unrelated to his preseason game, just sold my NT rpa for s gross roi of 50%! Not a bad 2 or 3 month hold

BeingJustin · 12-17-2011, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by burke23

Unrelated to his preseason game, just sold my NT rpa for s gross roi of 50%! Not a bad 2 or 3 month hold

What made you sell it? Just curious.
Was it this thread?

burke23 · 12-17-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BeingJustin

What made you sell it? Just curious.
Was it this thread?

Hell no...holding my other stuff, but the rpa's this week have risen a bit. I bought in low and thought I would see what offers I could get. Too much of a quick return to leave it on the table

BeingJustin · 12-17-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by burke23

Hell no...holding my other stuff, but the rpa's this week have risen a bit. I bought in low and thought I would see what offers I could get. Too much of a quick return to leave it on the table

Oh I totally agree. Was just curious as to why you didn't wait another 2-3 weeks.

tYEwREEEk13 · 12-17-2011, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pat10021839

That's why they should sell us all of their Wall autos for cheep since he is going to be such a bad player

hey pat and fraser...i wanna join the cool guy club too!

moellenb · 12-18-2011, 04:01 PM

first of all john wall is a monster. i keep getting offered rose cards for my wall NT RPA and i think it's kind of funny. nothing against rose, an excellent all-nba pg, but john wall is going to be bigger. the only problem from a hobby perspective is that he is in washington and rose in chicago. that said, washington is a good place to be.

anyone that doesn't think john wall is going to be a superstar is really not someone whose opinion i respect. he is a game-changing player who can redefine the position with his athleticism and skill. we are talking about a guy who is going to have a line that looks like 24-10-5 (probably in year four) with a couple of steals at the point guard position. he's the best prospect to enter the league since kevin durant and has the potential to enter a very prestigious class of nba hall of famers.

in terms of his hobby potential. this guy doesn't have a bunch of high end UD rookie cards. he just has the NT. there is nothing that compares...the next best batch of true rcs in include the gold standard, classics, next day autos.

understand that someone like rose or durant has so many more nice rook autos for people to choose from. down the road, the rose exquisite wont be able to touch the john wall NT RPA.

12-16-2011, 12:07 PM	#1
WalterAZ31 Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 8,268	Opinions on the hobby in regards to John Wall so last season, most of his midrange product Auto's sold for roughly $90-120 then the season ends and the lockout happens as of now, Auto RC's , from stuff like R&S, Prestige, Timeless Treasures, Donruss can now be had around $75 Obviously the lockout hasn't hurt the high end stuff like National Treasures, and even his Gold Standard Auto's have still done well what would it take for his cards to climb back to original selling points?? a few games into the season and Wall putting up good stats?? are they low enough where it would take a playoff appearance? Thx for any thoughts.

12-16-2011, 01:05 PM	#4
tupark82 Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,096	as soon as the season starts, i think u'll see it back to where it originally was. and then it will likely rise and rise hard if he does well. i disagree that the wizards even need to do well for it to rise. if he kills it, so will his value. that's not to say there won't be added value if the wizards do win. __________________ sheridanhoops.com/author/james-park/ twitter.com/sheridanblog Curry collector IG: tuparkcollection

12-16-2011, 11:34 PM	#14
IndySportsCards Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: EO 13848 Posts: 42,013 braco0 IndySportsCards	In my opinion, if you're not a John Wall fan, sell, sell, sell. I doubt his cards EVER get any higher. __________________ Most people would rather be in the majority, than be right.

12-17-2011, 02:01 PM	#20
burke23 Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 5,249 burke23	Unrelated to his preseason game, just sold my NT rpa for s gross roi of 50%! Not a bad 2 or 3 month hold __________________ * Looking for high end defensive Cracked Ice Auto and Topps Chrome Red Ref Non-Auto RC *Also LF 1997 PMG Red FB and star Non-Auto Topps Chrome Red Refractor rc

12-18-2011, 04:01 PM	#25
moellenb Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 66 zoom_flume	first of all john wall is a monster. i keep getting offered rose cards for my wall NT RPA and i think it's kind of funny. nothing against rose, an excellent all-nba pg, but john wall is going to be bigger. the only problem from a hobby perspective is that he is in washington and rose in chicago. that said, washington is a good place to be. anyone that doesn't think john wall is going to be a superstar is really not someone whose opinion i respect. he is a game-changing player who can redefine the position with his athleticism and skill. we are talking about a guy who is going to have a line that looks like 24-10-5 (probably in year four) with a couple of steals at the point guard position. he's the best prospect to enter the league since kevin durant and has the potential to enter a very prestigious class of nba hall of famers. in terms of his hobby potential. this guy doesn't have a bunch of high end UD rookie cards. he just has the NT. there is nothing that compares...the next best batch of true rcs in include the gold standard, classics, next day autos. understand that someone like rose or durant has so many more nice rook autos for people to choose from. down the road, the rose exquisite wont be able to touch the john wall NT RPA. Last edited by moellenb; 12-18-2011 at 04:03 PM.

12-16-2011, 12:12 PM	#2
XARZY Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Miami Beach, FL Posts: 8,729 Xarzy	Its been talked about plenty times in many 'investment' threads. His NT is overpriced because there arent many 'really nice' oncard/gu sets from last year. The hobby success of JWall depends not only on his scoring/stats and the success of the wizards but also on how flashy he is. The more he ends up on ESPNs top highlights, the more interest in him that there will be. Blake Griffin had how many highlight dunks last year? consider that stuff into how prices were high for him. When the next batch of rc cards comes out Wall autos will start to cool off as ESPN and NBATV focus on the next best thing and the ROY race.

12-16-2011, 01:07 PM	#5
paul06901 Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 10,564	My personal opinion, is he is extremely overrated. Both in the hobby and as a player in the league. I won't get into detail, but that's how I feel!

12-16-2011, 01:33 PM	#6
hazenuts Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,238	His stuff is way overpriced, there is virtually no room for the NT RPA will grow if they are going for $1500 to $2000 at the current level. The current price already priced in that Wall must be an allstar and MVP-level PG, if he fail to do so, I can see his stuff goes down to low $1000's level

12-16-2011, 01:58 PM	#7
Fraser9698 Banned Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: @FraserMemGroup Posts: 3,800 frasermemorabiliagroup	Seems like people are all or nothing with John Wall. No point in arguing with anyone because nobody is going to change the other's mind. I will say one thing...whether he turns into a MVP contender or not ---> he's a human highlight film.

12-16-2011, 02:05 PM	#8
pat10021839 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,670 pat10021839	Look at Derrick Rose and how much all of his cards went up in value last season, his SPA to 299 sells for around a grand raw. John Wall only has one really high end rookie auto and if he is a sports center top plays guy his cards will get to the level of Griffin and Rose.

12-16-2011, 08:49 PM	#9
hazenuts Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,238	John Wall in his first pre-season game looks awful .. 1 for 8, 2 AST and 6 TO, team is losing by 40 in 3rd QTR. Rose's RPA shot up to $2500+ 'cause he has the numbers and his team won games, Wall is fast and big but he lacks BBIQ, he only knows how to play in one speed. Like I said he has a lot to improve just to catch up to the priced in hype the market has given to his NT RPA

12-16-2011, 10:18 PM	#10
pat10021839 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,670 pat10021839	I am just compairing what prices can end up being. Rose did not have a great first two seasons but busted his ass in the off season to improve his game, maybe Wall will do the samething but maybe he won't. Oh and his cards have already started to go back up.

12-16-2011, 10:48 PM	#11
paul06901 Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 10,564	I would think his best cards, NT, topped out during the release of the set. The best RC in the set. Now that NT is no longer on fire, the Wall has begun to level out. He cant win ROY, and I don't see him leading his team anywhere. Plus as mentioned earlier, his bball IQ isn't the best and he isn't very consistent. The mere fact that a Deron Williams exquisite is worth less is pure ludicrous. I can see Wall slowly losing even more value as the season progresses.

12-16-2011, 11:35 PM	#15
hazenuts Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,238	Talk is cheap, let's just see how many games Wall can win as the leader for the Wiz. Base on last season and the pre-season game which they just got blown out, Wall doesn't look anymore than an athletic PG

12-17-2011, 07:52 AM	#16
pat10021839 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,670 pat10021839	Deron Williams rookie year GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG 80 47 28.8 .421 .416 .704 2.4 4.5 .8 .2 10.8 Derrick Rose 81 80 37.0 .475 .222 .788 3.9 6.3 .8 .2 16.8 John Wall 69 64 37.8 .409 .296 .766 4.6 8.3 1.8 0.5 16.4 I will not say that Wall will have a better career than either Williams or Rose but he put up almost identical numbers compared to them in their rookie season. And to say anything about numbers in the first preseason game after a week of practice is garbage.

12-17-2011, 08:31 AM	#17
stephenu88 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: PA Posts: 415 stephenu3	Last night he looked like SH\|T. Just a preseason game though!! Jrue looked great! GO SIXERS!!!

12-17-2011, 11:03 AM	#18
Fraser9698 Banned Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: @FraserMemGroup Posts: 3,800 frasermemorabiliagroup	Dude had a bad preseason game and people are hopping off the ledge...makes sense.