2021 Tennessee Titans Thread

rman112 · 03-16-2021, 03:23 AM

Ok, time for a new thread.

This offseason, they needed to fix a few things. Obviously the defense. But they also need to be able to have a standalone passing offense. Something Greg Cosell said last year when talking about the Titans has stuck with me. Basically, it's that your rushing offense and passing offense need to operate independently. Meaning that when you're not running well, you still need to be able to throw it. And even when you're not throwing it well, you still need to be able to run it. That was the Titans problem last year. When Henry was rolling, they could put up 40. But once a good defense stopped Henry, they couldn't throw it. Losing Lewan really exacerbated that.

So far, they've..

Lost:
Humphries - Cut
Butler - Cut
Wilson - Traded
Jonnu - Pats
Corey Davis - Jets

Humphries was obvious. He couldn't stay healthy, was making a lot, and had a concussion issue.

Butler was tricky, for a few reasons. First, he was their best corner last year. He was legitimately good. But he was making too much. Even if they had kept him, it's not really an ideal corner group. Fulton will be good. He can play inside, but he's really more suited to play outside. Tough loss.

Wilson is obvious.

Losing Jonnu sucks. Period. He finally started to blossom, and now the Pats will benefit from it. But man.. he got PAID. There's no replacing him this year, though.

Davis - IDK. We've been waiting for years for him to put it all together, and he finally did. Then he ends the season horribly. Personally, I wanted him back. But it's all about how much $ is available. He can be replaced. The problem is that this WR FA class isn't great.

Added:
Bud Dupree
Denico Autry
Kendall Lamm

With Dupree, the need is obvious. I love Autry. Not only has he whooped their ass the past few years, but he can get to the QB. And he does it from the inside. He will help take pressure off Simmons, who really felt it when Clowney went down. Lamm I think is not only a need with Wilson gone, but he's a reaction to how poorly Sambrailo and Quessenberry held up in pass pro. It really limited the offense. Lamm is pretty much the opposite. Good pass blocker, poor run blocker. With how much Henry gets on his own, you can live with that. It goes along with the idea of needing to be able to throw it easier. He can also push Kelly. One of them is likely gone next year. I think they want that to be Kelly.

TBD:
D. Jones
King
Jayon
Clowney

It's been speculated that all will walk. Losing Jones would suck. He's consistently good. He's underrated. I'd love to have Jayon back. He's a playmaker. But he's likely to get $10 mil for multiple years. There's also Firkser, who will be back as a RFA.

Needs:
WR2
Slot WR
ILB
Slot Corner
TE
NT

A few guys that I like:
CB - Mike Hilton, Brian Poole
TE - Gerald Everett
WR - John Brown (health?), David Moore, Marvin Jones, Curtis Samuel

I have no idea how many of these guys are realistic. Are they going to restructure any contracts? Tannehill's a prime candidate that could free up up a ton of cap space.

We shall see.

busyb3 · 03-16-2021, 08:26 AM

I like the signings so far. I agree it sucks to lose Jonnu and Corey. They got paid too much IMO but that’s free agency.

I would love to get John Brown. He would stretch the field for us for sure.

rman112 · 03-16-2021, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by busyb3

I like the signings so far. I agree it sucks to lose Jonnu and Corey. They got paid too much IMO but that’s free agency.

I would love to get John Brown. He would stretch the field for us for sure.

Between him, Hilton, and Marvin Jones, there are a few of those guys where you're not sure how much they have left in the tank. I don't think needing a starting WR heading into the draft would be the worst thing in the world. That's a position where a guy can usually contribute right away, as opposed to say, CB (or tight end).

Samuel's really intriguing. He's a burner, and he's really versatile. He can carry the ball. He could give them some of the versatility they lost with Jonnu, just in a different way. He'd also get a big upgrade at QB.

rman112 · 03-16-2021, 03:03 PM

They just released Dennis Kelly, ... and Adoree. WHAT?!

slugger22 · 03-16-2021, 07:41 PM

I am glad they released Adoree. That guy got burned on almost every single play.

pjnjjsdad · 03-17-2021, 07:11 AM

I am ok with all of the moves so far.

I think a lot of fans are sad to see Smith, Davis and Jackson go because they started their careers as Titans, so fans feel like they are loosing their kids haha

It will not be hard to replace a 400 yard TE, a 900 yard WR and a CB who gets burned multiple times a game and is made out of toilet paper.

rman112 · 03-17-2021, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by pjnjjsdad

I am ok with all of the moves so far.

I think a lot of fans are sad to see Smith, Davis and Jackson go because they started their careers as Titans, so fans feel like they are loosing their kids haha

It will not be hard to replace a 400 yard TE, a 900 yard WR and a CB who gets burned multiple times a game and is made out of toilet paper.

Who are you replacing them with?

Jonnu was on a tear before his role changed with the Lewan injury.

Davis did what he did while missing 2 games.

Adoree was pretty solid for 3 years, and it was obvious when he was out.

The thing is that they DID want to keep them - Smith and Davis, at least. They just couldn't do it and spend on the D.

Unless they pull off a trade, they're not replacing Jonnu. The free agents are bad. Rookies are notoriously slow starters. Hell, remember how much Jonnu struggled? Davis, you can replace. There are some good rookies. But now you have so many others holes to fill on the roster.

I hope they know what they're doing.

pjnjjsdad · 03-17-2021, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Who are you replacing them with?

Jonnu was on a tear before his role changed with the Lewan injury.

Davis did what he did while missing 2 games.

Adoree was pretty solid for 3 years, and it was obvious when he was out.

The thing is that they DID want to keep them - Smith and Davis, at least. They just couldn't do it and spend on the D.

Unless they pull off a trade, they're not replacing Jonnu. The free agents are bad. Rookies are notoriously slow starters. Hell, remember how much Jonnu struggled? Davis, you can replace. There are some good rookies. But now you have so many others holes to fill on the roster.

I hope they know what they're doing.

Replacing them with almost literally anyone haha

Smith was #17 in TE yards last year. His role did change, but there is literally a laundry list of TEs with more production. 17th in TE yards is replaceable.

The output from Smith and Davis did not equal the pay that they got through free agency. If another team wants to pay them that much, I am glad it is another team and not us.

We will be ok - loosing them does not make us any weaker or stronger.

I'm telling you, these feelings are coming from a place of watching them "grow up", not from a practicality point of view.

rman112 · 03-17-2021, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pjnjjsdad

Replacing them with almost literally anyone haha

Smith was #17 in TE yards last year. His role did change, but there is literally a laundry list of TEs with more production. 17th in TE yards is replaceable.

The output from Smith and Davis did not equal the pay that they got through free agency. If another team wants to pay them that much, I am glad it is another team and not us.

We will be ok - loosing them does not make us any weaker or stronger.

I'm telling you, these feelings are coming from a place of watching them "grow up", not from a practicality point of view.

Who, though? Especially tight end.

I think you're way underselling Jonnu. He just got $30+ guaranteed on the open market. That's not a guy that can be replaced by literally anyone - especially one with poor FA market options. While a lot of what he got paid for is on potential, I think he was also underutilized in the passing game here.

What you said about wanting to keep homegrown guys is true. For me, that probably applies to Adoree more than anyone.

Davis is similar to Conklin last year in that what he got in Year 1 just wasn't realistic to pay. He has a $9 mil cap hit this year. They couldn't afford that. His position is easier to replace. But keep in mind they have to replace Humphries, too. They only have 1 real WR now, and no real TE.

What makes it difficult is that if they want to truly contend, they not only have to be AS good a passing team as last year .. but they have to be BETTER. We've seen that the best RB in football can only go so far. So how do they take what they have now, and become a better passing team? I don't know. If Lewan is healthy, he certainly helps. But you need a legit threat opposite AJ.

I'm not looking at is so much as replacing yards. For someone like Davis specifically, a lot of those 900+ yards came against bad defenses.

rman112 · 03-17-2021, 12:35 PM

What I thought was interesting was this tweet yesterday, after Jenkins was signed:

@JFowlerESPN
Titans have a plan at cornerback after releasing Malcolm Butler and Adoree Jackson. This is part of it.

..

I wonder if it's Gilmore.

rman112 · 03-17-2021, 01:01 PM

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000513434571

Some very interesting words from Wes Woodyard.

rman112 · 03-17-2021, 04:30 PM

Jayon's back!

And..

It's a freaking STEAL!

@TomPelissero
LB Jayon Brown returning to the #Titans on a 1-year deal worth $5.25M, per source. Turned down other offers to return to revamped Titans D and reset his budding market prior to his elbow injury last season.

rman112 · 03-18-2021, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

What I thought was interesting was this tweet yesterday, after Jenkins was signed:

@JFowlerESPN
Titans have a plan at cornerback after releasing Malcolm Butler and Adoree Jackson. This is part of it.

..

I wonder if it's Gilmore.

And they sign ...... Kevin Johnson.

LOL. Embarrassing.

thenwhatjk · 03-22-2021, 06:36 PM

Oh man did Adoree get PAID

bigp621 · 03-22-2021, 06:42 PM

They signed Josh Reynolds today could be a decent compliment for Brown. They need to take a WR in the 3rd round to be the outside. Reynolds could have a good year. He didn't get in the games to much unless someone got hurt but when he did he produced. Him in the slot might be interesting. They need to go after another DB or if possible trade up to get Surtain but that might be a reach he won't last through the first 10 picks If I would guess. Think so good WR talent will be there in the 3rd round. So far most of the signings I like especially Depree and the d-line. We will see though still early but if they get the needs then going to be tough to compete with. The offense struggled against the Ravens in the playoff game but adding that 2nd and 3rd WR to compliment Brown will open that offense more. Only a few missing players away from being a legit super bowl contender.

rman112 · 03-22-2021, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

Oh man did Adoree get PAID

Yep. He had a healthy market. It's easy to see why. He's just gotta stay healthy.

Defensively, it looks like they have a specific skill set in mind, wanting corners to play physical man coverage. IDK if Brian Poole fits that bill, but he's a guy I really like. Will probably be had pretty cheap, too.

I think the longer FA goes on, the better chance that they can bring DaQuan Jones back for really cheap. He's an underrated guy who's consistently good.

At WR, they signed Josh Reynolds. Unspectacular, but a really solid WR. Schefter mentioned they're interested in Sammy Watkins, but IDK if signing Reynolds changes that at all.

rman112 · 03-29-2021, 04:39 PM

@FieldYates
More recent FA deals:

Titans WR Josh Reynolds: $750K to sign, $1M salary (guaranteed)

..

Man.. that's cheap!

rman112 · 03-31-2021, 04:16 PM

@TitanUpTalk
When asked if it would make sense for the #Titans to add a veteran edge rusher, Jim Wyatt said:

“I don't think the Titans are done adding edge rushers, I'll say that.”

..

Man, I'd love if they could bring in Justin Houston. Vernon, Clowney, Kerrigan, Ingram, Clayborn are all available. I think Al-Quadin Muhammad would be a solid value pickup as depth.

Siberian13 · 03-31-2021, 04:30 PM

Do you want Clowney again?

rman112 · 03-31-2021, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

Do you want Clowney again?

If he's willing to play for significantly cheaper, that's we know he's healthy, and that he's going to be a go for training camp - Yes.

So in other words.. No.

rman112 · 04-01-2021, 04:16 PM

Jon Robinson was at Minnesota's pro day today.

It's funny, I was actually watching WR highlights (mostly Bateman and E. Moore) last night to try and get more familiar with the options, and Bateman fits. I don't think 22 would be great value for him, though. Trading back would be ideal.

rman112 · 04-06-2021, 11:40 PM

Jim Schwartz is back, likely in a consultant-ish kind of role.

I'm a fan. That's one thing that young coaches don't do enough of - bring in proven coaches who have been around the block to help out out. Now Bowen has someone he can bounce ideas off of.

rman112 · 04-08-2021, 05:04 PM

Had linebacker BJ Goodson on a visit. I don't know much about him, but I'm hoping this means they want to trade Rashaan Evans.

rman112 · 04-20-2021, 03:32 PM

Daquan Jones to the Panthers. That sucks : /

rman112 · 04-29-2021, 12:02 AM

Officially draft day!

I love the idea of the trade back. I think the biggest question is how far apart they have Moore and Bateman on their boards. If they have one significantly higher, they probably take that guy at 22. But if they're close, might as well trade back if you can.

My absolute dream draft would be to trade back and end up with the following guys:

Teven Jenkins
Moore or Bateman
Pat Freirermuth
Elijah Molden

Then add one of Houston/Kerrigan/Ingram after the draft. Oh, and trade Rashaan Evans for a 5th.

They great thing about the trade back is you can always move back up later on, too. They already have extra ammo as is with the 3rd round comp pick.

03-17-2021, 07:11 AM	#6
pjnjjsdad Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Orrville, OH Posts: 4,028 huslscacbuys HUSLSCAC	I am ok with all of the moves so far. I think a lot of fans are sad to see Smith, Davis and Jackson go because they started their careers as Titans, so fans feel like they are loosing their kids haha It will not be hard to replace a 400 yard TE, a 900 yard WR and a CB who gets burned multiple times a game and is made out of toilet paper. __________________ Collecting Tennessee Titans and Tom Brandstater

03-22-2021, 06:36 PM	#14
thenwhatjk Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Berrrrrrwyyyyn IL Posts: 9,092 thenwhatjk	Oh man did Adoree get PAID __________________ White Sox. Oilers/Titans. Bears. Bulls.

03-22-2021, 06:42 PM	#15
bigp621 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: TN Posts: 3,264 pooh045646dj bigp621	They signed Josh Reynolds today could be a decent compliment for Brown. They need to take a WR in the 3rd round to be the outside. Reynolds could have a good year. He didn't get in the games to much unless someone got hurt but when he did he produced. Him in the slot might be interesting. They need to go after another DB or if possible trade up to get Surtain but that might be a reach he won't last through the first 10 picks If I would guess. Think so good WR talent will be there in the 3rd round. So far most of the signings I like especially Depree and the d-line. We will see though still early but if they get the needs then going to be tough to compete with. The offense struggled against the Ravens in the playoff game but adding that 2nd and 3rd WR to compliment Brown will open that offense more. Only a few missing players away from being a legit super bowl contender. __________________ Collecting Prospects and Stars https://www.flickr.com/photos/158566194@N07/

03-16-2021, 03:23 AM	#1
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	2021 Tennessee Titans Thread Ok, time for a new thread. This offseason, they needed to fix a few things. Obviously the defense. But they also need to be able to have a standalone passing offense. Something Greg Cosell said last year when talking about the Titans has stuck with me. Basically, it's that your rushing offense and passing offense need to operate independently. Meaning that when you're not running well, you still need to be able to throw it. And even when you're not throwing it well, you still need to be able to run it. That was the Titans problem last year. When Henry was rolling, they could put up 40. But once a good defense stopped Henry, they couldn't throw it. Losing Lewan really exacerbated that. So far, they've.. Lost: Humphries - Cut Butler - Cut Wilson - Traded Jonnu - Pats Corey Davis - Jets Humphries was obvious. He couldn't stay healthy, was making a lot, and had a concussion issue. Butler was tricky, for a few reasons. First, he was their best corner last year. He was legitimately good. But he was making too much. Even if they had kept him, it's not really an ideal corner group. Fulton will be good. He can play inside, but he's really more suited to play outside. Tough loss. Wilson is obvious. Losing Jonnu sucks. Period. He finally started to blossom, and now the Pats will benefit from it. But man.. he got PAID. There's no replacing him this year, though. Davis - IDK. We've been waiting for years for him to put it all together, and he finally did. Then he ends the season horribly. Personally, I wanted him back. But it's all about how much $ is available. He can be replaced. The problem is that this WR FA class isn't great. Added: Bud Dupree Denico Autry Kendall Lamm With Dupree, the need is obvious. I love Autry. Not only has he whooped their ass the past few years, but he can get to the QB. And he does it from the inside. He will help take pressure off Simmons, who really felt it when Clowney went down. Lamm I think is not only a need with Wilson gone, but he's a reaction to how poorly Sambrailo and Quessenberry held up in pass pro. It really limited the offense. Lamm is pretty much the opposite. Good pass blocker, poor run blocker. With how much Henry gets on his own, you can live with that. It goes along with the idea of needing to be able to throw it easier. He can also push Kelly. One of them is likely gone next year. I think they want that to be Kelly. TBD: D. Jones King Jayon Clowney It's been speculated that all will walk. Losing Jones would suck. He's consistently good. He's underrated. I'd love to have Jayon back. He's a playmaker. But he's likely to get $10 mil for multiple years. There's also Firkser, who will be back as a RFA. Needs: WR2 Slot WR ILB Slot Corner TE NT A few guys that I like: CB - Mike Hilton, Brian Poole TE - Gerald Everett WR - John Brown (health?), David Moore, Marvin Jones, Curtis Samuel I have no idea how many of these guys are realistic. Are they going to restructure any contracts? Tannehill's a prime candidate that could free up up a ton of cap space. We shall see.

03-16-2021, 08:26 AM	#2
busyb3 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 1,632 mean2gene	I like the signings so far. I agree it sucks to lose Jonnu and Corey. They got paid too much IMO but that’s free agency. I would love to get John Brown. He would stretch the field for us for sure.

03-16-2021, 03:03 PM	#4
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	They just released Dennis Kelly, ... and Adoree. WHAT?!

03-16-2021, 07:41 PM	#5
slugger22 Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,198	I am glad they released Adoree. That guy got burned on almost every single play.

03-17-2021, 12:35 PM	#10
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	What I thought was interesting was this tweet yesterday, after Jenkins was signed: @JFowlerESPN Titans have a plan at cornerback after releasing Malcolm Butler and Adoree Jackson. This is part of it. .. I wonder if it's Gilmore.

03-17-2021, 01:01 PM	#11
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000513434571 Some very interesting words from Wes Woodyard.

03-17-2021, 04:30 PM	#12
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	Jayon's back! And.. It's a freaking STEAL! @TomPelissero LB Jayon Brown returning to the #Titans on a 1-year deal worth $5.25M, per source. Turned down other offers to return to revamped Titans D and reset his budding market prior to his elbow injury last season.

03-29-2021, 04:39 PM	#17
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	@FieldYates More recent FA deals: Titans WR Josh Reynolds: $750K to sign, $1M salary (guaranteed) .. Man.. that's cheap!

03-31-2021, 04:16 PM	#18
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	@TitanUpTalk When asked if it would make sense for the #Titans to add a veteran edge rusher, Jim Wyatt said: “I don't think the Titans are done adding edge rushers, I'll say that.” .. Man, I'd love if they could bring in Justin Houston. Vernon, Clowney, Kerrigan, Ingram, Clayborn are all available. I think Al-Quadin Muhammad would be a solid value pickup as depth.

03-31-2021, 04:30 PM	#19
Siberian13 Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 80,090 shiller13	Do you want Clowney again?

04-01-2021, 04:16 PM	#21
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	Jon Robinson was at Minnesota's pro day today. It's funny, I was actually watching WR highlights (mostly Bateman and E. Moore) last night to try and get more familiar with the options, and Bateman fits. I don't think 22 would be great value for him, though. Trading back would be ideal.

04-06-2021, 11:40 PM	#22
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	Jim Schwartz is back, likely in a consultant-ish kind of role. I'm a fan. That's one thing that young coaches don't do enough of - bring in proven coaches who have been around the block to help out out. Now Bowen has someone he can bounce ideas off of.

04-08-2021, 05:04 PM	#23
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	Had linebacker BJ Goodson on a visit. I don't know much about him, but I'm hoping this means they want to trade Rashaan Evans.

04-20-2021, 03:32 PM	#24
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	Daquan Jones to the Panthers. That sucks : /

04-29-2021, 12:02 AM	#25
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	Officially draft day! I love the idea of the trade back. I think the biggest question is how far apart they have Moore and Bateman on their boards. If they have one significantly higher, they probably take that guy at 22. But if they're close, might as well trade back if you can. My absolute dream draft would be to trade back and end up with the following guys: Teven Jenkins Moore or Bateman Pat Freirermuth Elijah Molden Then add one of Houston/Kerrigan/Ingram after the draft. Oh, and trade Rashaan Evans for a 5th. They great thing about the trade back is you can always move back up later on, too. They already have extra ammo as is with the 3rd round comp pick.