2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[preakness]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

so I very much dislike Ted Cruz based on his politics. i wanted to get that out first.

that being said, wouldn't him not endorsing Trump show that he's sticking to his principles and be a positive thing? Same with Kasich just not even attending?


again, I cannot STAND Cruz and do not want him anywhere near a government position, but from the outside looking in I respect him for not bowing down.

It's a tricky one
If they don't endorse some see that as not being true to what's best for the party
Others on the other hand see that as being noble.
Some see that as them trying to act noble with a hidden agenda (2020)

If so offended by wife and dad being ripped on, then why not continuously bring it up last week, 3 weeks ago, 2 months ago? Why use the RNC as time to make your point.

Tricky one for Trump people too on whether to allow him to speak... double edge sword

Cruz looks too much like Phil Helmuth for me.

[callou2131]

Originally Posted by ronaldo943

It's Melania not Melanie, get it right!

It was auto corrected. Damn Merican language!!And right now there is a red squiggly line under Melania

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by Halbert

Another tragedy in Germany....

Right after John Kerry said isis is on the run. Sure they are, to other countries to expand global terror. If Hillary is elected, how many of her 65,000 undocumented unknown Syrian refugees will put us at risk?

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

I'm sure they will come up again. He had the full week to lay his plans out so people that pay attention should hear SOMETHING. He didn't really go into much detail last night, it was a typical "I'm gonna make everything great" kinda speech.

He did a great job of saying how terrible the country is but he is the solution, "believe me".

Unfortunately, nothing he's ever said or done, makes me believe a word out his mouth.

And before someone replies "well Hillary has?" I never said that, I'm just saying trump hasn't.

I just had this discussion with my 80 year old grandfather over the phone. I truly believe in what he says. He is not an everyday politician and he has to have some kind of desire to correct some wayward behavior that is going on in this country. That is what his platform is about. If I had his 4.5 billion dollar empire and you asked me to run for POTUS I would tell you to $%&* off. I wish Obama didn't coin the phrase "Change we can believe in" because I think it is more fitting now.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by callou2131

The difference is, Conservative media is Fox news and AM talk radio. Liberal media is majority of newspapers, radio stations, magazines, and all network news along with all the other cable news stations. If you want to find conservative news, you can, but you have to look for it. Want liberal slanted news? Just turn on anything other than fox.

Fox is a free channel, is it not? The NY post is owned by Fox News as well (or the same owner in a different company). So there are newspapers out there also. You don't really have to look for Fox News it's openly available.

[greentown]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

I'm not a Hillary supporter, so there's that.

I want transparency from ALL candidates that choose to run for president of MY country.

Since all this seems to be about Trump, I will bring this up about Hillary. She talks about workplace equality, but exactly what did she do to improve womens place in Wal-Mart during the 6 years she sat on their board of directors?

[ensbergcollecto]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

1) Mexico doesn't care and will continue to not care so we need to do something about it. FYI a bigger wall won't help.

2) Impoverished, war-torn countries because of those 2 reasons

3)Little to no social impact, little to no economic impact as well the pros and cons more than likely offset each other, the biggest concern is security with large numbers of immigrants coming from countries that we destroyed in the quest for oil and to force "democracy" on everyone else

i agree with you on 1 and 2. I think you are far off on #3. one of the problems with the illegal immigration issue, is that while every state has some amount of illegal immigrants, there are really only a few that understand the full ramifications of it. Texas, California, and Arizona (possibly 1-2 others) see massive amounts of social and economic impact. It is just east for the other 45 states that act like it isn't a big deal.

[callou2131]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Fox is a free channel, is it not? The NY post is owned by Fox News as well (or the same owner in a different company). So there are newspapers out there also. You don't really have to look for Fox News it's openly available.

No it is not. It is a cable channel.

[xavieronly1]

A lot of people don't gather news from TV or newspaper. Facebook, Internet meme, youtube, Twitter.... This is a free game for anyone. Also, they can hold zero credibility of putting wrong information out in the public.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

I just had this discussion with my 80 year old grandfather over the phone. I truly believe in what he says. He is not an ok everyday politician and he has to have some kind of desire to correct some wayward behavior that is going on in this country. That is what his platform is about. If I had his 4.5 billion dollar empire and you asked me to run for POTUS I would tell you to $%&* off. I wish Obama didn't coin the phrase "Change we can believe in" because I think it is more fitting now.

To each their own. He doesn't care about the presidency he wants to prove he can win and he is doing a great job at that. He is a salesman and communicator. The man donates money for the write off. He never does anything that doesn't benefit him. He knows what he can do from the Oval Office and how he can make it better for him and his friends.

The more he says trust me and believe me and honestly the less I believe anything coming from his mouth. It's sales 101

[preakness]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

Honestly, I don't think the answer is that simple.

In my community, Mexicans (not hispanics, because the ''latino'' population is 100% Mexican), have been here for generations. I know of people who have been here for 40 years, have children born here who have attended college and become teachers, lawyers, etc, who do not have legal citizenship.

These people are pillars of my community, who work hard and are positives for us. Someone like that...is it possible to give them a chance? I don't know.

I know something has to be done, but I am not positive of the answer. I don't think you should open our borders, any borders, for anyone and everyone to come in. No way.

I have family members and close friends who entered illegally, and then went through the process to gain permanent residency. Some were able to stay during the process, some had to return to Mexico. I have a close friend who came here as a little girl, and in her early 20's had to return for 2 years.

I also have a friend immigrated to California with his mother when he was 2. At 30, he began the process and was sent back for 10 years. He's half-way done.

My community is wonderful, in that our crime rate is practically non-existant, and that's where I get my view of people from. I know that other communities deal with crime, drugs, etc. from illegal immigrants. I get that. We don't.

Because people in your community are coming into my neighborhood to commit the crimes!!
I'm joking of course. Just wanted to bring a little obvious humor to this political talk.
I agree the question is a very tough question. As person who too works and lives amongst some who are "illegal" I don't see "illegals" as all being "El Chapo" type

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by callou2131

No it is not. It is a cable channel.

Channel 5 in NY is fox. That's not a cable channel. (I don't think).

[callou2131]

Originally Posted by greentown

Since all this seems to be about Trump, I will bring this up about Hillary. She talks about workplace equality, but exactly what did she do to improve womens place in Wal-Mart during the 6 years she sat on their board of directors?

Or her war on women...mainly her husbands accusers. My main thing is she is preaching im gonna do XYZ for women! Here is a simple question...if she can, why didnt she do that her last 8 years she was in the whitehouse? Everyone says she has experience from being a first lady, and "shes been there" well, why the hell didnt she do any of the things she is claiming she will do? Why didnt her husband? Because she either cant, or wont.

[preakness]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

Has he mentioned any other Spanish-speaking immigrant group?

I think because we border Mexico

If we had additional nations that we border to the south I personally think it would be said differently

[callou2131]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Channel 5 in NY is fox. That's not a cable channel. (I don't think).

That isnt the same Fox news. watch it sometime. It is no different than Cnn ABC etc. I am talking Fox news channel.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by ensbergcollecto

i agree with you on 1 and 2. I think you are far off on #3. one of the problems with the illegal immigration issue, is that while every state has some amount of illegal immigrants, there are really only a few that understand the full ramifications of it. Texas, California, and Arizona (possibly 1-2 others) see massive amounts of social and economic impact. It is just east for the other 45 states that act like it isn't a big deal.

I'll admit that I'm ignorant to the social and economic impacts on the border states specifically but i was referring to the country as a whole.

I would be interested to hear the perspective of someone from one of those states

[preakness]

Originally Posted by greentown

Has he said only Mexicans are illegal immigrants? He is right to specifically mention Mexico seeing as most illegal immigrants enter from Mexico. Hell, last year, 6 Canadians were detained trying to illegally enter from Mexico.

I just cracked up reading that 6 Canadians were detained trying to illegally enter from Mexico

good stuff

[Cervantes]

Originally Posted by preakness

I think because we border Mexico

If we had additional nations that we border to the south I personally think it would be said differently

I get that, but with the pipeline of South America running straight through Mexico, it should be noted.

Also, as I've said, the brown-skinned immigrants are assumed to be Mexican. That should change.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by callou2131

The difference is, Conservative media is Fox news and AM talk radio. Liberal media is majority of newspapers, radio stations, magazines, and all network news along with all the other cable news stations. If you want to find conservative news, you can, but you have to look for it. Want liberal slanted news? Just turn on anything other than fox.

This right here. Liberal media outnumbers conservative media by like 10-1 <-- totally made up factor but they're most certainly outnumbered by a large margin

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by callou2131

That isnt the same Fox news. watch it sometime. It is no different than Cnn ABC etc. I am talking Fox news channel.

So fox and Fox News are channels / companies with opposing views? Find that pretty damn hard to believe.


My plan is to watch Fox News during the dem convention.

[Cervantes]

Originally Posted by preakness

I just cracked up reading that 6 Canadians were detained trying to illegally enter from Mexico

good stuff

They were lucky to be alive.

It does sound funny, though.

[preakness]

Originally Posted by greentown

White people can be here illegally as well you know. :-P

I think the NYC nanny industry is 99.9% illegally immigrated white British women.

Chicago is packed with many Polish illegal immigrants.
Whenever I visit the wife's grandparents I hear about how many are in that house, this house, that house (many working in fabrics/textiles industry and housecleaning)

[callou2131]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I'll admit that I'm ignorant to the social and economic impacts on the border states specifically but i was referring to the country as a whole.

I would be interested to hear the perspective of someone from one of those states

Not just border states. Maryland and DC has the largest populations of MS13 gang members in the country. Why? Easy! Sanctuary state. We were one of the first states that issued drivers licenses to illegals. Sure...they cant buy auto insurance...but heres a license!! My PC section of my jail is loaded with Illegal rapists and child molesters. ICE has not deported a single on in 7 years. They used to be here every Tuesday morning. Now when their sentences are done, out the door they go!

[xavieronly1]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I'll admit that I'm ignorant to the social and economic impacts on the border states specifically but i was referring to the country as a whole.

I would be interested to hear the perspective of someone from one of those states

You can visit Home Depot at 5am in those states. Many workers are being picked up for daily work. They get paid less the minimum salary.

This is just one example.

[Cervantes]

Originally Posted by preakness

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Because people in your community are coming into my neighborhood to commit the crimes!!
I'm joking of course. Just wanted to bring a little obvious humor to this political talk.
I agree the question is a very tough question. As person who too works and lives amongst some who are "illegal" I don't see "illegals" as all being "El Chapo" type

Huh.

Wasn't humorous...but I see where you're at.

I'm not saying that MY personal situation is typical, and I'm not saying it's not.

What I am saying is that yes, something about OUR borders for OUR country needs to be, I just don't have a concrete answer to fix all of the problems.

In a perfect world, if I had the choice, I would kick out all the worthless criminals, moochers, deadbeats, and keep the hard-working, tax paying, wonderful citizens.

But this isn't a Disney movie, this is real life.