94-95 finest cornerstone test refractors, does anyone have them?

h00perstar34 · 01-02-2014, 10:56 AM

I'm curious if anyone on this site has any, they are incredibly rare!!!

h00perstar34 · 01-03-2014, 01:04 PM

Nobody huh? I figured as much

Magicpenny · 01-04-2014, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by h00perstar34

Nobody huh? I figured as much

LOL, Failed troll attempt.

h00perstar34 · 01-04-2014, 06:10 PM

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LOL, Failed troll attempt.

Maybe your physical appearance is that of one, I feel for you if that's the case. Nobody has claimed to have one, therefore, I was correct. Trying to see if there are more out there, that is all.

dengbang · 01-04-2014, 06:23 PM

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Trying to see if there are more out there, that is all.

I agree with the Beckett pricing issues. I use it as a checklist and encyclopedia of sorts more so than a price guide. As for these test refractors, I think all the ones other than the 95-96 Mystery Finest Orange Bordered Refractor have been discovered. There's no more packs or boxes to open and I am pretty sure people have scoured collections looking for them already. All the ones that you know about are in PC's or high end collections and most likely will stay there for a long time.

dengbang · 01-03-2014, 01:18 PM

I can one up and say that I know someone that has a 94-95 Rack Pack Refractor. Those I would say are even more rare than 90's masterpieces.

csrockerzero · 01-03-2014, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dengbang

I can one up and say that I know someone that has a 94-95 Rack Pack Refractor. Those I would say are even more rare than 90's masterpieces.

I'd be interested in acquiring that card!

dengbang · 01-03-2014, 04:54 PM

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I'd be interested in acquiring that card!

If he was letting it go, I would've had it my possession right now. I offered $350 for it and he didn't budge.

h00perstar34 · 01-04-2014, 10:02 AM

I have heard of 2 shaqs, a spree, a penny, a barkley and a ewing corner stone test in 20 years of collecting....corner stones and rack packs are just about as rare, as neither are rarely ever seen!

h00perstar34 · 01-04-2014, 10:03 AM

was it glenn robinson by chance?

Round Mound · 01-04-2014, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dengbang

I can one up and say that I know someone that has a 94-95 Rack Pack Refractor. Those I would say are even more rare than 90's masterpieces.

How can a card be rarer than a 1/1?

dengbang · 01-04-2014, 11:07 AM

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How can a card be rarer than a 1/1?

As in the odds of finding any 94 RP Ref is harder that finding a masterpiece of a particular set. I've seen multiple masterpieces of the set 97 Fleer Ultra, but i've only seen 2 94 RP Ref. Hope you understand my viewpoint

Round Mound · 01-04-2014, 11:14 AM

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As in the odds of finding any 94 RP Ref is harder that finding a masterpiece of a particular set. I've seen multiple masterpieces of the set 97 Fleer Ultra, but i've only seen 2 94 RP Ref. Hope you understand my viewpoint

It's just because there are 276 97-98 Ultra in the set, and only 7 Rack Packs in the set.

For a particular player, they are not rarer per se. If they are both 1/1s, the chance of finding a 97-98 Ultra Masterpiece and a Rack Pack Ref Test of Grant Hill is exactly the same.

dengbang · 01-04-2014, 11:18 AM

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It's just because there are 276 97-98 Ultra in the set, and only 7 Rack Packs in the set.

For a particular player, they are not rarer per se. If they are both 1/1s, the chance of finding a 97-98 Ultra Masterpiece and a Rack Pack Ref Test of Grant Hill is exactly the same.

And that's why I mentioned I was referring to set rarity and not any individual player, but I agree with your point on a single player level.

fastnbulbous · 01-04-2014, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dengbang

As in the odds of finding any 94 RP Ref is harder that finding a masterpiece of a particular set. I've seen multiple masterpieces of the set 97 Fleer Ultra, but i've only seen 2 94 RP Ref. Hope you understand my viewpoint

Make sense although since the masterpieces were of a base set (of +100) and the rackpack was more like 10, you're much more likely of seeing a random masterpiece.
Although it would also be harder to tell the refractor is particularly valuable but a masterpiece has 1 of 1 etc stamped on it so people would likely take more care and value it more, not have it lost in with some commons like they may have with those refractors.

So basically your point makes sense

h00perstar34 · 01-04-2014, 11:21 AM

Round do you have the Barkley Corner Stones Test Refractor as well? I know the other Barkley collector that posted over on HK that knows you has one, just curious if you do I know you have an insanely nice Barkley collection!

Round Mound · 01-04-2014, 11:24 AM

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Round do you have the Barkley Corner Stones Test Refractor as well? I know the other Barkley collector that posted over on HK that knows you has one, just curious if you do I know you have an insanely nice Barkley collection!

It's one of the only cards (excluding 1/1s) that I don't have

dengbang · 01-04-2014, 11:32 AM

Something that i've seen over the years is that there are sometimes 2 of the same masterpieces. Maybe one is for a replacement? I'm not sure.

Round Mound · 01-04-2014, 11:43 AM

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Something that i've seen over the years is that there are sometimes 2 of the same masterpieces. Maybe one is for a replacement? I'm not sure.

I've only seen one instance (Larry Johnson)

dengbang · 01-04-2014, 12:06 PM

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I've only seen one instance (Larry Johnson)

Off the top of my head I can remember seeing T-MAC and Derek Fisher. I may have screen captured it to one of the old hard drives.

fastnbulbous · 01-04-2014, 12:42 PM

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Off the top of my head I can remember seeing T-MAC and Derek Fisher. I may have screen captured it to one of the old hard drives.

Those guys weren't playing around 1994-1996 when a lot of these test refractors were out (other test refractors after 1996 seem more common)

ie conerstone, lottery prize and rack pack

1994-95 Finest Lottery Prize Refractors Test Basketball Cards Values | Beckett.com

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1994-95 Finest Cornerstone Refractors Test Basketball Cards Values | Beckett.com

I've seen a Ewing and Sprewell cornerstone and i think an LJ lottery price one

dengbang · 01-04-2014, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dengbang

Something that i've seen over the years is that there are sometimes 2 of the same masterpieces. Maybe one is for a replacement? I'm not sure.

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Those guys weren't playing around 1994-1996 when a lot of these test refractors were out (other test refractors after 1996 seem more common)

We were talking about duplicates of the Fleer Ultra masterpieces not test refractors

h00perstar34 · 01-04-2014, 02:47 PM

Lottery prize are slightly more commonthan corner stones test refs, albeit still very rare, also you can never rely on Becketts pricing, those guys there live in the Stone Age and were undervaluing tons of 90s inserts for years, some still are, a select few are also overvalued

h00perstar34 · 01-04-2014, 02:49 PM

What's an absolute joke is they want you to buy their inept, archaic pricing for those cards when they have no idea what they are worth, they are likely undervaluing those test refs by 10x their actual sv

Maurice · 03-13-2014, 08:29 PM

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01-02-2014, 10:56 AM	#1
h00perstar34 Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 4,732	94-95 finest cornerstone test refractors, does anyone have them? I'm curious if anyone on this site has any, they are incredibly rare!!!

01-03-2014, 01:04 PM	#2
h00perstar34 Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 4,732	Nobody huh? I figured as much

01-03-2014, 01:18 PM	#6
dengbang Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Midwest Posts: 2,047	I can one up and say that I know someone that has a 94-95 Rack Pack Refractor. Those I would say are even more rare than 90's masterpieces.

01-04-2014, 10:02 AM	#9
h00perstar34 Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 4,732	I have heard of 2 shaqs, a spree, a penny, a barkley and a ewing corner stone test in 20 years of collecting....corner stones and rack packs are just about as rare, as neither are rarely ever seen!

01-04-2014, 10:03 AM	#10
h00perstar34 Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 4,732	was it glenn robinson by chance?

01-04-2014, 11:21 AM	#16
h00perstar34 Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 4,732	Round do you have the Barkley Corner Stones Test Refractor as well? I know the other Barkley collector that posted over on HK that knows you has one, just curious if you do I know you have an insanely nice Barkley collection!

01-04-2014, 11:32 AM	#18
dengbang Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Midwest Posts: 2,047	Something that i've seen over the years is that there are sometimes 2 of the same masterpieces. Maybe one is for a replacement? I'm not sure.

01-04-2014, 02:47 PM	#23
h00perstar34 Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 4,732	Lottery prize are slightly more commonthan corner stones test refs, albeit still very rare, also you can never rely on Becketts pricing, those guys there live in the Stone Age and were undervaluing tons of 90s inserts for years, some still are, a select few are also overvalued

01-04-2014, 02:49 PM	#24
h00perstar34 Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 4,732	What's an absolute joke is they want you to buy their inept, archaic pricing for those cards when they have no idea what they are worth, they are likely undervaluing those test refs by 10x their actual sv

03-13-2014, 08:29 PM	#25
Maurice Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 257	http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...ds-ever-2.html