SGC Authenticates and Grades a Forged Barry Bonds Buyback Auto

RiceBondsMT2Yng · 07-05-2022, 04:07 AM

Buyer beware, this is a forgery:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/40375394544...UAAOSwEWJiwC~v

SGC graded/authenticated an autograph that most Bonds collectors can tell is a forgery pretty easily.

Worse, the card SGC somehow both authenticated and graded, which is described on the flip, isn't even one that exists to anyone's knowledge. There were only two 2006 Bowman Originals Buyback Auto variants released and both were based on 2005 products - Bowman and Bowman Chrome (not 2004 Bowman Heritage):

2006 Bowman Originals Buyback Autographs #88a Barry Bonds 05 B/20 A
2006 Bowman Originals Buyback Autographs #88b Barry Bonds 05 BC/10 A

Now, my understanding is that Topps released a woefully incomplete checklist on the buybacks that year so there are apparently autos that exist that don't appear on any Beckett or TCDB checklists. But no serious Bonds collector has any reason to believe that there are other buyback autos released from 2006 Bowman.

Worse still, every licensed, pack-released Bonds autograph card from 2005-2007 has at least 3 stickers on the back, one from Topps, one from MLB, and one from Bonds himself, unlike the card SGC graded.

There was a shameful collection of 2006 Bowman Originals Buyback Autographs forgeries that flooded eBay about 4 years ago. A well-known and retiring Bonds collector must've bought several of them unaware - because no Bonds collector would knowingly buy a forgery - and has apparently been selling them off along with the rest of his legit collection. An unsuspecting buyer bought this card raw on June 12:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/18545021913...wAAOSwSxRimPEU

Remember, there is no reason to believe the current seller is aware that this is a forgery. He paid over $700 with taxes and fees, which he certainly wouldn't have done if he knew it was bad, and then somehow SGC blessed that mistake. It's not clear that someone who doesn't live and breathe Bonds cards would believe some random collector over SGC. It sucks - someone will be left holding this bag. I know TPGs are run by people and people are fallible, but this was really really sloppy and pretty unacceptable in my opinion.

Someone in the Bonds group I'm a part of pointed out that the card had somehow been graded and I figured I should let readers here know. He has reached out to SGC, and I assume the current seller of this card, to let them know this card is a bad forgery.

DragonWagon · 07-05-2022, 06:50 AM

So this card has passed eBay Authenticity Guarantee, had positive feedback left the next day after purchasing, was submitted, graded, returned by SGC, and relisted on eBay all before the expected delivery date of 7/19.

towerymt · 07-05-2022, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DragonWagon

So this card has passed eBay Authenticity Guarantee, had positive feedback left the next day after purchasing, was submitted, graded, returned by SGC, and relisted on eBay all before the expected delivery date of 7/19.

There appears to be an issue with how that expected delivery date is being displayed for cards requiring authentication. I went to an auction I bought in April and it shows that same July date range:

zworykin · 07-05-2022, 08:13 AM

That has nothing to do with authentication - go to ANY old item, and it will show you an "expected delivery date" that's calculated as if you bought the item today. Just a quirk of the way eBay displays that.

OP, thanks for the heads up on the fake.

awz50 · 07-05-2022, 08:48 AM

Always a shame when a company messes up, especially a company like SGC who I like to do authentication through

jduds · 07-05-2022, 08:55 AM

If only Topps actually kept track and used their authentication stickers properly, a lot of this could be avoided.

DragonWagon · 07-05-2022, 09:29 AM

Added to the Altered Card Database https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database

oplum29 · 07-05-2022, 12:20 PM

why would anybody spend $700 on an autograph of Barry Bonds? it's worthless

spend that money on Trout, Mantle, or Mays instead

awz50 · 07-05-2022, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by oplum29

why would anybody spend $700 on an autograph of Barry Bonds? it's worthless

spend that money on Trout, Mantle, or Mays instead

about your opinion on the subject

People collect who they collect. Some people dont care to collect Trout, Mays or even Mantle

oplum29 · 07-05-2022, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by awz50

about your opinion on the subject

People collect who they collect. Some people dont care to collect Trout, Mays or even Mantle

one man's trash is another man's treasure i guess...even if it is Barry Bonds

mattglet · 07-05-2022, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by oplum29

one man's trash is another man's treasure i guess...even if it is Barry Bonds

We need a sticky of the thread which outlines how to collect baseball cards. That way this mistake never gets made again.

oplum29 · 07-05-2022, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mattglet

We need a sticky of the thread which outlines how to collect baseball cards. That way this mistake never gets made again.

collect who you want, but i wouldn't waste a nickle on Barry Bonds. just my opinion.

zworykin · 07-05-2022, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mattglet

We need a sticky of the thread which outlines how to collect baseball cards. That way this mistake never gets made again.

If it could also include the One True Definition for "rookie card" and also reveal what really happened to the 2018 Allen & Ginter wood mini 1/1s, that would be great. Thanks in advance.

HOFAutoRookies · 07-05-2022, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by oplum29

why would anybody spend $700 on an autograph of Barry Bonds? it's worthless

spend that money on Trout, Mantle, or Mays instead

Me. I have about 50 signed Bonds rookies of the greatest player of all time and still adding more, that's why.

oplum29 · 07-05-2022, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HOFAutoRookies

Me. I have about 50 signed Bonds rookies of the greatest player of all time and still adding more, that's why.

Bonds? the greatest player of all-time?

this coming from someone who has a picture of Ty Cobb as his profile id pic?

come on now...

HOFAutoRookies · 07-05-2022, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by oplum29

Bonds? the greatest player of all-time?

this coming from someone who has a picture of Ty Cobb as his profile id pic?

come on now...

Yes, easily. Wow. Good argument. Hope you didn't hurt yourself coming up with that zinger. A profile pic determining who's best? Idk, maybe because it's a fricken signed Cobb t206 and that's why it's my profile pic, come on now.

oplum29 · 07-05-2022, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HOFAutoRookies

Yes, easily. Wow. Good argument. Hope you didn't hurt yourself coming up with that zinger. A profile pic determining who's best? Idk, maybe because it's a fricken signed Cobb t206 and that's why it's my profile pic, come on now.

i assume based on our profile pic and name that you like baseball and appreciate the game.

so how you can say that Bonds is the GOAT doesn't make sense, especially when you know what he did to the game of baseball.

come on now...

silverandblack · 07-05-2022, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by oplum29

Bonds? the greatest player of all-time?

this coming from someone who has a picture of Ty Cobb as his profile id pic?

come on now...

What’s the issue with Cobb?

oplum29 · 07-05-2022, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by silverandblack

What’s the issue with Cobb?

no issue with Cobb at all

autocut · 08-02-2022, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by oplum29

why would anybody spend $700 on an autograph of Barry Bonds? it's worthless

spend that money on Trout, Mantle, or Mays instead

All based on opinion.

DetroitTN · 07-05-2022, 02:16 PM

Ty Cobb was a terrible human being. Bonds was rude and a steroid user. Wilt chamberlain was a womanizer.

The moral high ground with athletes is kind of nothing but hypocrisy.

Back to the fake auto, when this happens, does the grading company make any statement or do they just sweep it under the rug? I've wondered how they handle the subject publicly

JrFinest · 07-06-2022, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DetroitTN

Ty Cobb was a terrible human being. Bonds was rude and a steroid user. Wilt chamberlain was a womanizer.

The moral high ground with athletes is kind of nothing but hypocrisy.

Back to the fake auto, when this happens, does the grading company make any statement or do they just sweep it under the rug? I've wondered how they handle the subject publicly

Just when I think the world is figuring out the real Ty Cobb. We still get these.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 07-06-2022, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JrFinest

Just when I think the world is figuring out the real Ty Cobb. We still get these.

He wasn’t a great human being either. People should read the Charles Leershen and Charles Alexander biographies (while avoiding the Stump books) and come to their own conclusions, though.

oplum29 · 07-06-2022, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

He wasn’t a great human being either. People should read the Charles Leershen and Charles Alexander biographies (while avoiding the Stump books) and come to their own conclusions, though.

i'm currently reading the Charles Leershen one. it's a good read so far.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 07-06-2022, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by oplum29

i'm currently reading the Charles Leershen one. it's a good read so far.

His book is a rosier view of Cobb than Alexander’s, but even Leerhsen (to his credit) has said it’s good to read both.

07-05-2022, 04:07 AM	#1
RiceBondsMT2Yng Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 727	SGC Authenticates and Grades a Forged Barry Bonds Buyback Auto Buyer beware, this is a forgery: https://www.ebay.com/itm/40375394544...UAAOSwEWJiwC~v SGC graded/authenticated an autograph that most Bonds collectors can tell is a forgery pretty easily. Worse, the card SGC somehow both authenticated and graded, which is described on the flip, isn't even one that exists to anyone's knowledge. There were only two 2006 Bowman Originals Buyback Auto variants released and both were based on 2005 products - Bowman and Bowman Chrome (not 2004 Bowman Heritage): 2006 Bowman Originals Buyback Autographs #88a Barry Bonds 05 B/20 A 2006 Bowman Originals Buyback Autographs #88b Barry Bonds 05 BC/10 A Now, my understanding is that Topps released a woefully incomplete checklist on the buybacks that year so there are apparently autos that exist that don't appear on any Beckett or TCDB checklists. But no serious Bonds collector has any reason to believe that there are other buyback autos released from 2006 Bowman. Worse still, every licensed, pack-released Bonds autograph card from 2005-2007 has at least 3 stickers on the back, one from Topps, one from MLB, and one from Bonds himself, unlike the card SGC graded. There was a shameful collection of 2006 Bowman Originals Buyback Autographs forgeries that flooded eBay about 4 years ago. A well-known and retiring Bonds collector must've bought several of them unaware - because no Bonds collector would knowingly buy a forgery - and has apparently been selling them off along with the rest of his legit collection. An unsuspecting buyer bought this card raw on June 12: https://www.ebay.com/itm/18545021913...wAAOSwSxRimPEU Remember, there is no reason to believe the current seller is aware that this is a forgery. He paid over $700 with taxes and fees, which he certainly wouldn't have done if he knew it was bad, and then somehow SGC blessed that mistake. It's not clear that someone who doesn't live and breathe Bonds cards would believe some random collector over SGC. It sucks - someone will be left holding this bag. I know TPGs are run by people and people are fallible, but this was really really sloppy and pretty unacceptable in my opinion. Someone in the Bonds group I'm a part of pointed out that the card had somehow been graded and I figured I should let readers here know. He has reached out to SGC, and I assume the current seller of this card, to let them know this card is a bad forgery. __________________ \| \| BARRY BONDS \| GREG MADDUX \| ALEX RODRIGUEZ \| \| \|Rare 90s Inserts \| '97-'07 Bonds AUs \| Bonds RCs/XRCs\| Me: "Some have Cap Anson high on the best hitters list smh..." Pal: "He'd prob die of cholera if he saw a 100mph fastball..." Last edited by RiceBondsMT2Yng; 07-05-2022 at 06:03 AM.

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