Which HOF’ers would you classify as stat compilers?

texmcpherson · 11-05-2021, 12:25 PM

It’s no argument that some of the players in the HOF have been titled with “accumulating” stats vs. actually being the best during their era. I think with some players we see a little bit of both (Albert Pujols comes to mind, elite but padding stats at this point). During the process of collecting HOF autos I’ve noticed there are certain players whose counting stats look pretty solid but when you look at their career it really doesn’t appear that way. They were never league leaders or had eye popping seasons but rather consistent or above average for their entire career, which usually are 20+ years of service. Which players come to mind?

Bert blyleven anyone?

Jedi1823 · 11-05-2021, 12:27 PM

Harold Baines

theshowandme · 11-05-2021, 12:31 PM

I do not really like the term, but I get what you mean. To compile a large number of counting stats you have to play at a high level for a long time. That is admirable. Some guys go on crazy runs in 7-10 years that make them a HoFer, others it takes a full 15-20 year career of being above average to make it in.

Craig Biggio had only two top-5 MVP finishes but he also played in a loaded era. He had 200 hits only once. He was blessed with good health, good work ethic, and was a "pro's pro" if you know what I mean. I guess he would fit that definition of a stat compiler. He hit the magic 3,000 number and still took 3 ballots to get in

mfw13 · 11-05-2021, 12:33 PM

Don Sutton, Craig Biggio, Tom Glavine.....pretty much anybody who hung around long after they stopped being effective to try to get to a magic number (i.e. 3000 hits or 300 wins).

MoreToppsPlease · 11-05-2021, 01:37 PM

What’s wrong with “stat compilers”? Nothing.

fabiani12333 · 11-05-2021, 01:45 PM

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What’s wrong with “stat compilers”? Nothing.

Because it's a washed up veteran living off their name, trying to get some key milestone stats to bolster their Hall resume.

MoreToppsPlease · 11-05-2021, 02:34 PM

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Because it's a washed up veteran living off their name, trying to get some key milestone stats to bolster their Hall resume.

There are two types of stats: “milestone” accumulating stats and percentage stats.

If he’s an unworthy accumulator, then his percentage stats dive, making him a poor HOF candidate.

Many bad accumulating stats include errors, GIDP, Ks (for hitters), etc.

So it’s all a wash. Accumulators will only be considered bad under particular circumstances only and not all.

Plus, the HOF ain’t all ‘bout stats.

Astros19 · 11-05-2021, 01:55 PM

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What’s wrong with “stat compilers”? Nothing.

That and it's impossible to tell whether said player was Stat compiling or just not ready to walk away from the game they love.

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rms13 · 11-05-2021, 02:02 PM

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That and it's impossible to tell whether said player was Stat compiling or just not ready to walk away from the game they love.

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Which is why it shouldn't matter. Voters should be people who actually covered the sport and watched these guys play every year and they should be intelligent enough to determine how good they were compared to their peers and how long they played at an elite level and not vote for people because they played 20+ years and reached stupid milestones that may or not even be relevant in current times

80s Kid · 11-05-2021, 02:12 PM

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Which is why it shouldn't matter. Voters should be people who actually covered the sport and watched these guys play every year and they should be intelligent enough to determine how good they were compared to their peers and how long they played at an elite level and not vote for people because they played 20+ years and reached stupid milestones that may or not even be relevant in current times

20 years is a long time to play. Just being able to start at a position at the top level for 20 years is an accomplishment. It’s not like MLB is a beer league. Someone is paying the player good money to keep playing.

pspa123 · 11-05-2021, 02:31 PM

Miggy.. Yaz lingered a long time and wasn't all that good his final years.

rms13 · 11-05-2021, 03:11 PM

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20 years is a long time to play. Just being able to start at a position at the top level for 20 years is an accomplishment. It’s not like MLB is a beer league. Someone is paying the player good money to keep playing.

How many players have played for 20+ years and been elite starters or even all star level the entire time? Even the all time greats that played that long have generally been average at best for the last 5 years

fabiani12333 · 11-05-2021, 01:41 PM

Rickey Henderson's last three seasons were very bad, but it got him over 3,000 hits.

SupermanBrandon · 11-05-2021, 01:42 PM

The only people that like “stat compilers” are flippers.

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rms13 · 11-05-2021, 01:48 PM

Willie Mays

fabiani12333 · 11-05-2021, 01:51 PM

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Willie Mays

Ah -- come on. He was an all star his second-to-last season.

Noles939913 · 11-05-2021, 03:07 PM

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Ah -- come on. He was an all star his second-to-last season.

He was actually an All-Star in his very last season also and he hit…wait for it. .211

pspa123 · 11-05-2021, 03:19 PM

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He was actually an All-Star in his very last season also and he hit…wait for it. .211

Back then it was an honorary selection, means little. Nobody was going to leave WILLIE MAYS off an all star team.

YouTheManNick · 11-05-2021, 05:00 PM

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Willie Mays

Keep in mind Mays missed most of 1952 and all of 1953 due to military service.

Age 21 and 22 seasons.

Therefore, regardless of past his prime accumulating, his numbers are lower than they could have been.

Using what he did in the years immediately before and after, had he not served we're looking at over 700 HR instead of 660 and more than 3,500 hits.

Rough, rough estimates. But you get the idea.

fabiani12333 · 11-05-2021, 01:49 PM

The opposite of a compiler -- Mike Mussina. He retired with 270 wins and his final season was very good.

wood minis · 11-05-2021, 03:48 PM

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The opposite of a compiler -- Mike Mussina. He retired with 270 wins and his final season was very good.

and now Buster Posey.

Zauron · 11-05-2021, 01:57 PM

Craig Biggio definitely, his last 6 seasons(from age 36-41), he compiled a total WAR of 4.6. He wasn't as awful as I remembered him being at the plate, but defensively yes.

fabiani12333 · 11-05-2021, 01:57 PM

Eddie Murray was a crappy bench player for 4 teams his last two seasons, but it got him to 500 home runs.

rms13 · 11-05-2021, 01:58 PM

Pujols Not HOF but will be

Jsquared123 · 11-05-2021, 01:59 PM

Dave Winfield.

Really good for a really long time but never truly great IMO.

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Zauron Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 5,575	Craig Biggio definitely, his last 6 seasons(from age 36-41), he compiled a total WAR of 4.6. He wasn't as awful as I remembered him being at the plate, but defensively yes. __________________ Champ Bailey Collector! Currently: 909/2602 hermanotarjeta: You've been BRIOSED!!!!!!!!!

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Jedi1823 Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 2,000	Harold Baines

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theshowandme Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 5,034 theshowandme nova_cards	I do not really like the term, but I get what you mean. To compile a large number of counting stats you have to play at a high level for a long time. That is admirable. Some guys go on crazy runs in 7-10 years that make them a HoFer, others it takes a full 15-20 year career of being above average to make it in. Craig Biggio had only two top-5 MVP finishes but he also played in a loaded era. He had 200 hits only once. He was blessed with good health, good work ethic, and was a "pro's pro" if you know what I mean. I guess he would fit that definition of a stat compiler. He hit the magic 3,000 number and still took 3 ballots to get in

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mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 17,295	Don Sutton, Craig Biggio, Tom Glavine.....pretty much anybody who hung around long after they stopped being effective to try to get to a magic number (i.e. 3000 hits or 300 wins).

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fabiani12333 Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 11,516	Rickey Henderson's last three seasons were very bad, but it got him over 3,000 hits.

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rms13 Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: California Posts: 7,040	Willie Mays

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fabiani12333 Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 11,516	The opposite of a compiler -- Mike Mussina. He retired with 270 wins and his final season was very good.

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rms13 Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: California Posts: 7,040	Pujols Not HOF but will be

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Jsquared123 Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 1,257 Sopranos6666	Dave Winfield. Really good for a really long time but never truly great IMO.