GOAT?

Vols243 · 05-17-2018, 01:25 PM

I know the debate has been going on about Jordan and Lebron. But, what about in baseball? I know Trout is young and some things could change, but when does he get the title of GOAT? On pace for the greatest season of all time.

Nyfancam01 · 05-17-2018, 01:25 PM

BONDS is the greatest baseball player of all time.
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speedyjg13 · 05-17-2018, 02:27 PM

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BONDS is the greatest baseball player of all time.
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This........

AnthonyCorona · 05-17-2018, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Nyfancam01

BONDS is the greatest baseball player of all time.
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I'm with this guy here

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Gilbey · 05-17-2018, 06:16 PM

How about Ty Cobb best hitter ever.

SethMurphy · 05-17-2018, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Vols243

I know the debate has been going on about Jordan and Lebron. But, what about in baseball? I know Trout is young and some things could change, but when does he get the title of GOAT? On pace for the greatest season of all time.

Babe Ruth
Hank Aaron
Willie Mays
Barry Bonds
Sandy Koufax
Lou Gehrig
Ted Williams
Mickey Mantle
Joe DiMaggio
and so on

Mike Trout could end up there, but he isn't the GOAT yet.

Hollywood42 · 05-17-2018, 01:28 PM

The problem is trying to compare players to different generations of players. Ruth is a legend and one of the best of all time, if not the best, but general consensus is that he wouldn't succeed in the league today. That goes for pretty much everyone that played in a different era. Is that a negative towards these guys? Some people think so. I'm of the opinion that you can't very well compare a player to guys outside of their era. It just doesn't work very well

Cubsfanp · 05-17-2018, 01:43 PM

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The problem is trying to compare players to different generations of players. Ruth is a legend and one of the best of all time, if not the best, but general consensus is that he wouldn't succeed in the league today. That goes for pretty much everyone that played in a different era. Is that a negative towards these guys? Some people think so. I'm of the opinion that you can't very well compare a player to guys outside of their era. It just doesn't work very well

A lot of truth in this. Ruth is the main name everyone thinks of when you say baseball, but i like to think of it in eras.

IMO:
Babe Ruth was the greatest of his era.
Willie Mays was the greatest of his era (sorry Mantle).
Hank Aaron was the greatest of his era.
Bonds was the greatest of his era (PEDs or not) (Sorry Griffey).

If i think of current post-steroid era players, it has not be Pujols, then Miggy. Trout is definitely on track to be up there though.

babybull · 05-18-2018, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cubsfanp

A lot of truth in this. Ruth is the main name everyone thinks of when you say baseball, but i like to think of it in eras.

IMO:
Babe Ruth was the greatest of his era.
Willie Mays was the greatest of his era (sorry Mantle).
Hank Aaron was the greatest of his era.
Bonds was the greatest of his era (PEDs or not) (Sorry Griffey).

If i think of current post-steroid era players, it has not be Pujols, then Miggy. Trout is definitely on track to be up there though.

Mays and Aaron played in the same era. Bonds doesn't even belong on the list of ANY era.

Cubsfanp · 05-18-2018, 09:33 AM

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Mays and Aaron played in the same era. Bonds doesn't even belong on the list of ANY era.

You are right on the first point, and i would go with Mays.

Bonds was hands down the best player in his era. I don't like saying it, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.

StevenTormollan · 05-18-2018, 11:29 AM

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You are right on the first point, and i would go with Mays.

Bonds was hands down the best player in his era. I don't like saying it, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.

Bonds may have been the best player in 2 eras honestly.

mfw13 · 05-17-2018, 01:37 PM

If you're talking GOAT, then it has to be a five-tool player who hit for average & power, has speed, and was top quality as both a fielder and thrower on defense.

So that narrows it down to two players....Willie Mays and Barry Bonds.

And because character does matter when you are talking about GOAT, my choice would be Willie Mays.

hxcmilkshake · 05-17-2018, 02:17 PM

I say Willie or Ruth. Babe not a traditional 5 tool but he pitched at a high level....

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Originally Posted by mfw13

If you're talking GOAT, then it has to be a five-tool player who hit for average & power, has speed, and was top quality as both a fielder and thrower on defense.

So that narrows it down to two players....Willie Mays and Barry Bonds.

And because character does matter when you are talking about GOAT, my choice would be Willie Mays.

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wharfrat7624 · 05-17-2018, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

If you're talking GOAT, then it has to be a five-tool player who hit for average & power, has speed, and was top quality as both a fielder and thrower on defense.

So that narrows it down to two players....Willie Mays and Barry Bonds.

And because character does matter when you are talking about GOAT, my choice would be Willie Mays.

Agreed

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rats60 · 05-17-2018, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

If you're talking GOAT, then it has to be a five-tool player who hit for average & power, has speed, and was top quality as both a fielder and thrower on defense.

So that narrows it down to two players....Willie Mays and Barry Bonds.

And because character does matter when you are talking about GOAT, my choice would be Willie Mays.

Barry Bonds threw like a little girl. There is a good reason the Pirates and Giants stuck him in left field.

discostu · 05-17-2018, 03:36 PM

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Barry Bonds threw like a little girl. There is a good reason the Pirates and Giants stuck him in left field.

Really?

I don't think your recollection of his arm is correct. It wasn't plus, but it was most certainly a threat when combined with his coverage.

rats60 · 05-17-2018, 03:58 PM

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Really?

I don't think your recollection of his arm is correct. It wasn't plus, but it was most certainly a threat when combined with his coverage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgjIVvEQo_o

Also, when he was on steroids, he was bad in the outfield.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayeK36QoTR4

So pick, the guy who didn't hit a lot of home runs and was good in the field and on the bases, but couldn't throw or the guy who hit home runs and couldn't do much else.

discostu · 05-17-2018, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rats60

Barry Bonds threw like a little girl. There is a good reason the Pirates and Giants stuck him in left field.

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Originally Posted by discostu

Really?

I don't think your recollection of his arm is correct. It wasn't plus, but it was most certainly a threat when combined with his coverage.

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Originally Posted by rats60

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgjIVvEQo_o

Also, when he was on steroids, he was bad in the outfield.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayeK36QoTR4

So pick, the guy who didn't hit a lot of home runs and was good in the field and on the bases, but couldn't throw or the guy who hit home runs and couldn't do much else.

Ah yes, the Sid Bream throw...that was a given. As far as the Glaus double...not sure what that showcases other than a great hit from Glaus.

Regardless, if you're of the mindset that Bonds could only hit home runs and not much else, it's not worth the discussion.

spuds1961 · 05-17-2018, 01:53 PM

If going by era it would have to be Ohtani, to pitch and hit in today's game is truly amazing.

jeff24k · 05-17-2018, 01:57 PM

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If going by era it would have to be Ohtani, to pitch and hit in today's game is truly amazing.

LOL. Guess you missed the OF ALL TIME part.

spuds1961 · 05-17-2018, 02:08 PM

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LOL. Guess you missed the OF ALL TIME part.

Reading is fundamental, what part of this era did you not understand.

dasiegel · 05-17-2018, 02:16 PM

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If going by era it would have to be Ohtani, to pitch and hit in today's game is truly amazing.

I agree Ohtani is the greatest of all time and prices match so I must be correct

Dalberov · 05-17-2018, 02:22 PM

Babe Ruth so thoroughly dominated his era that he should be considered the greatest of all time. The others on the lists were great players and would have probably out played Ruth in their own eras but Ruth was hitting more home runs than entire teams in his.

Neal · 05-17-2018, 03:22 PM

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Babe Ruth so thoroughly dominated his era that he should be considered the greatest of all time. The others on the lists were great players and would have probably out played Ruth in their own eras but Ruth was hitting more home runs than entire teams in his.

this

Ruth is the GOAT. Period.

Would he have performed in today's game? Who knows. The ball is much livelier and the pitchers parks are a thing of the past .... nobody knows.

To be clearly heads and tails above the second best, out-hitting entire teams, is impossible in todays game.

GOAT

letsgocapitals · 05-18-2018, 06:29 AM

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Babe Ruth so thoroughly dominated his era that he should be considered the greatest of all time. The others on the lists were great players and would have probably out played Ruth in their own eras but Ruth was hitting more home runs than entire teams in his.

This nails it.

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Nyfancam01 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,890 Nyfancam01 Nyfancam01	BONDS is the greatest baseball player of all time. /thread

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Gilbey Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: New York Posts: 153 Davidgilbey2570	How about Ty Cobb best hitter ever.

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mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 17,369	If you're talking GOAT, then it has to be a five-tool player who hit for average & power, has speed, and was top quality as both a fielder and thrower on defense. So that narrows it down to two players....Willie Mays and Barry Bonds. And because character does matter when you are talking about GOAT, my choice would be Willie Mays.

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spuds1961 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Terry,Ms. Posts: 39,270	If going by era it would have to be Ohtani, to pitch and hit in today's game is truly amazing.

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Dalberov Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 437	Babe Ruth so thoroughly dominated his era that he should be considered the greatest of all time. The others on the lists were great players and would have probably out played Ruth in their own eras but Ruth was hitting more home runs than entire teams in his.