So sick of the Thunder

hairyangryfella · 11-17-2017, 10:59 PM

For the howmanyth time this season they've blown a double-digit lead and lost. Yes, the Spurs are a good team so it's not a huge shock, but they KEEP doing it! And of course Westbrook, with two All-Star scorers beside him, keeps taking too many shots and shooting poorly.
Last year expectations were low so RW could do whatever he wanted. This year there was hope, but they just keep letting everyone down.

Is it on Donovan? Westbrook? The bench? All of the above?

I'm just about done supporting this team because nothing changes...

pennywise · 11-17-2017, 11:09 PM

It's on whoever thought it was a good idea to put George, Anthony, and Westbrook on the same team.

There's plenty of time to turn it around but I didn't buy it before the season and I'm buying it less now that they're actually playing games together. If they can learn to coexist and Westbrook can stop playing hero ball, they've got the pieces to be an elite team.

volblorx8634 · 11-17-2017, 11:16 PM

I put it on Donovan, but then again, I've always put it on coaching with the Thunder, going back to the Scott Brooks days as well. Why can KD, Curry, and Klay coexist on the Warriors (ignoring Draymond because scoring/shooting is the last thing on his mind) while Westbrook, George, and Melo can't get it together on the Thunder? Obviously I'm not saying the Thunder should be as good as the Warriors, but they definitely aren't getting the most out of their team as constructed. The coach needs to take the talents on the team and run a system brings the best out of them.

Of course, it's still early so this could very well happen as the season progresses.

rman112 · 11-17-2017, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by volblorx8634

I put it on Donovan, but then again, I've always put it on coaching with the Thunder, going back to the Scott Brooks days as well. Why can KD, Curry, and Klay coexist on the Warriors (ignoring Draymond because scoring/shooting is the last thing on his mind) while Westbrook, George, and Melo can't get it together on the Thunder? Obviously I'm not saying the Thunder should be as good as the Warriors, but they definitely aren't getting the most out of their team as constructed. The coach needs to take the talents on the team and run a system brings the best out of them.

Of course, it's still early so this could very well happen as the season progresses.

Well.. at least one of those guys without a doubt has a giant ego. Cough.. Carmelo Anthony.. cough. He's also way past his prime, as opposed to the Warrior guys.

volblorx8634 · 11-18-2017, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Well.. at least one of those guys without a doubt has a giant ego. Cough.. Carmelo Anthony.. cough. He's also way past his prime, as opposed to the Warrior guys.

I'm not aware of many players in the NBA without giant egos, Warriors players included. That shouldn't stop them from playing a cohesive team game, but I don't know if I see the ego thing as an issue. You're right that Melo is past his prime, which is a difference, but I don't even know if that's the issue either. The Thunder's problem offensively is that they just give the ball to one player and have them iso to try to score. Same thing as when KD and Russ played together, regardless of the fact that both players were entering their prime.

As mentioned above, I feel the X's and O's are the biggest issue for them as it has been for years. Gotta figure out how to get these guys to play well together.

21Pittsburgh58 · 11-18-2017, 10:51 AM

Carmelo was a horrible acquisition! George and Westbrook would have been enough to get them to the playoffs but Anthony may ruin any chance of that.

Yes, Westbrook was so off last night it was ridiculous, but those games happen.

ragingbull · 11-19-2017, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 21Pittsburgh58

Carmelo was a horrible acquisition! George and Westbrook would have been enough to get them to the playoffs but Anthony may ruin any chance of that.

I agree. Was about to post the same thing. Melo just stands around, waiting for the pass and is just lazy to even defend. Never liked Melo from his days in Denver up until now.

RogerGodahell · 11-18-2017, 11:02 AM

They've got some good beats while they're playing from the sound guy though

WaiverWire · 11-18-2017, 11:51 AM

Looking forward to the rest of the year, the Thunder are somewhere between the 4th and 10th best team in the West. Despite their talent on paper, I don't think they will ever have more cohesiveness than the Warriors, Rockets, and Spurs. Their point differential indicates that they should be closer to the 4th seed in the West (rather than the 9th), but they have always tried to coast on talent alone and sorta suck at the X's and O's. I think any team with Carmelo is destined to disappoint. Figuring out a system to maximize Westbrook, George, and Melo should take at least a few months, if not more than a year. And I don't think they ever found a good system to balance Westbrook and Durant. After Roberson and Adams, the rest of their team is pretty bad.

pgisback · 11-18-2017, 12:08 PM

Bench last night 13/24 (54%)

George/Westbrook 10/38 (26%)

Not the smartest idea to have 3 iso players that want to play one on one and force up their shots. George will even be open and just catch the ball and wait for a defender to cover him to get in his iso rythym.

dcarado · 11-18-2017, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

For the howmanyth time this season they've blown a double-digit lead and lost. Yes, the Spurs are a good team so it's not a huge shock, but they KEEP doing it! And of course Westbrook, with two All-Star scorers beside him, keeps taking too many shots and shooting poorly.
Last year expectations were low so RW could do whatever he wanted. This year there was hope, but they just keep letting everyone down.

Is it on Donovan? Westbrook? The bench? All of the above?

I'm just about done supporting this team because nothing changes...

I live in OKC, and this is my problem with thunder fans... Thunder have probably had more success (wins, star players, etc.) than 99.9% of ten-year-old franchises, and the fans are ready to jump off the wagon every time they lose 5 games.

Three months ago we were on the verge of being one of the 15-20 perennial bottom-dwellers of the NBA. Relax a little and enjoy the ride, or become a Warriors/Cavs fan.

hairyangryfella · 11-18-2017, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dcarado

I live in OKC, and this is my problem with thunder fans... Thunder have probably had more success (wins, star players, etc.) than 99.9% of ten-year-old franchises, and the fans are ready to jump off the wagon every time they lose 5 games.

Three months ago we were on the verge of being one of the 15-20 perennial bottom-dwellers of the NBA. Relax a little and enjoy the ride, or become a Warriors/Cavs fan.

No, it's because they continue to play the same iso game (no matter the coach) and under-achieve. It's been too much of the same for too long. And when they keep blowing huge leads, aaaarrrgh.

JustinVerlander07 · 11-18-2017, 12:20 PM

Westbrook: 40% from the field 33% from 3. Stop shooting so much Russ

Ottomatic · 11-18-2017, 12:24 PM

George and Melo aren't near as good as people think they are.

JustinVerlander07 · 11-18-2017, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ottomatic

George and Melo aren't near as good as people think they are.

I mean Melo is on the decline, but there is no doubt Westbrook makes both of them less effective. Too much ego on that team. They all want their numbers (Westbrook because he just has an insane ego), Melo to try and 'prove doubters wrong', and George fishing for a max deal.

Ottomatic · 11-18-2017, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I mean Melo is on the decline, but there is no doubt Westbrook makes both of them less effective. Too much ego on that team. They all want their numbers (Westbrook because he just has an insane ego), Melo to try and 'prove doubters wrong', and George fishing for a max deal.

I do find it funny that all of Kanter, Oladipo, Sabonis and Mcdermott have been pretty darn good this year as well.

Melo and George though have pretty much been the same. They just aren't near as big as game changers as people want to make them out to be. George has a career 557 TS%. That is just not special out of a "star" wing.

drobfan8 · 11-21-2017, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ottomatic

I do find it funny that all of Kanter, Oladipo, Sabonis and Mcdermott have been pretty darn good this year as well.

Melo and George though have pretty much been the same. They just aren't near as big as game changers as people want to make them out to be. George has a career 557 TS%. That is just not special out of a "star" wing.

I got absolutely ripped last season for saying that Westbrook had decent players around him.

The 4 guys you mentioned, 3 of them are playing awesome. Funny how it goes huh.

JustinVerlander07 · 11-21-2017, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by drobfan8

I got absolutely ripped last season for saying that Westbrook had decent players around him.

The 4 guys you mentioned, 3 of them are playing awesome. Funny how it goes huh.

Where is Chris P to respond to this?

jcardstore · 11-18-2017, 12:30 PM

Melo is an offense killer. He takes terrible shots and can’t facilitate and play without the ball. WB/George are fine but the thunder aren’t going anywhere with melo

JustinVerlander07 · 11-18-2017, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

Melo is an offense killer. He takes terrible shots and can’t facilitate and play without the ball. WB/George are fine but the thunder aren’t going anywhere with melo

Not hindsight, getting George was fine, it was laughable to get Melo when Westbrook is already on the team. Everyone knew that, also Donovan can't get these guys to play together, at all.

jbarnett83 · 11-18-2017, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

And of course Westbrook, with two All-Star scorers beside him, keeps taking too many shots and shooting poorly.
Last year expectations were low so RW could do whatever he wanted. ...

i am not sure why anybody would be surprised by this. For those of you who only look at the stat book, when a player (especially the PG) takes too many shots teammates get cold and lose rhythm. Rhythm is extremely important in today's game and in my opinion is a part of the pg's job. Westbrook always needs to be in the spotlight on/off the court. He is a virus that I wouldn't want on my team (I am a Suns fan so that's saying a lot

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benz35 · 11-18-2017, 04:54 PM

Thunder roster was made for 2K lol

Ferg1945 · 11-18-2017, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

For the howmanyth time this season they've blown a double-digit lead and lost. Yes, the Spurs are a good team so it's not a huge shock, but they KEEP doing it! And of course Westbrook, with two All-Star scorers beside him, keeps taking too many shots and shooting poorly.

Last year expectations were low so RW could do whatever he wanted. This year there was hope, but they just keep letting everyone down.

Is it on Donovan? Westbrook? The bench? All of the above?

I'm just about done supporting this team because nothing changes...

So....

KD was right to leave?

KD got a ton of backlash over leaving. But once Westbrook has another great player on his team... he once again turns into the Westbrook that KD wanted to get away from.

JustinVerlander07 · 11-18-2017, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferg1945

So....

KD was right to leave?

KD got a ton of backlash over leaving. But once Westbrook has another great player on his team... he once again turns into the Westbrook that KD wanted to get away from.

From all of KDs comments, it seems Westbrook was a positive to him than a negative. He hated basically everything else.

hairyangryfella · 11-20-2017, 11:44 PM

Up 19 against New Orleans and....

But Westbrook got a T-D! Oooohhhhh. Sick of this crap.

11-17-2017, 10:59 PM	#1
hairyangryfella Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New Zealand Posts: 13,219	So sick of the Thunder For the howmanyth time this season they've blown a double-digit lead and lost. Yes, the Spurs are a good team so it's not a huge shock, but they KEEP doing it! And of course Westbrook, with two All-Star scorers beside him, keeps taking too many shots and shooting poorly. Last year expectations were low so RW could do whatever he wanted. This year there was hope, but they just keep letting everyone down. Is it on Donovan? Westbrook? The bench? All of the above? I'm just about done supporting this team because nothing changes...

11-17-2017, 11:09 PM	#2
pennywise Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Austin Posts: 2,965	It's on whoever thought it was a good idea to put George, Anthony, and Westbrook on the same team. There's plenty of time to turn it around but I didn't buy it before the season and I'm buying it less now that they're actually playing games together. If they can learn to coexist and Westbrook can stop playing hero ball, they've got the pieces to be an elite team. __________________ Penny Hardaway \| 90s stars \| San Antonio Spurs Instagram: pennyatthepoint "Why you no work. I work - You will work too!!!" - Michael Jordan

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volblorx8634 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: OC Posts: 4,130 kd35durant	I put it on Donovan, but then again, I've always put it on coaching with the Thunder, going back to the Scott Brooks days as well. Why can KD, Curry, and Klay coexist on the Warriors (ignoring Draymond because scoring/shooting is the last thing on his mind) while Westbrook, George, and Melo can't get it together on the Thunder? Obviously I'm not saying the Thunder should be as good as the Warriors, but they definitely aren't getting the most out of their team as constructed. The coach needs to take the talents on the team and run a system brings the best out of them. Of course, it's still early so this could very well happen as the season progresses. __________________ PC: Sacramento Kings and Cleveland Indians Looking for these cards: 1. 2018-19 National Treasure Tim Duncan Game Gear /10 (non-trim) 2. 2016 Kawhi Leonard Hoops Base Parallels (and Bird's Eye View Gold /10)

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11-18-2017, 11:51 AM	#9
WaiverWire Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 2,935	Looking forward to the rest of the year, the Thunder are somewhere between the 4th and 10th best team in the West. Despite their talent on paper, I don't think they will ever have more cohesiveness than the Warriors, Rockets, and Spurs. Their point differential indicates that they should be closer to the 4th seed in the West (rather than the 9th), but they have always tried to coast on talent alone and sorta suck at the X's and O's. I think any team with Carmelo is destined to disappoint. Figuring out a system to maximize Westbrook, George, and Melo should take at least a few months, if not more than a year. And I don't think they ever found a good system to balance Westbrook and Durant. After Roberson and Adams, the rest of their team is pretty bad.

11-18-2017, 12:08 PM	#10
pgisback Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Seattle Posts: 21,023	Bench last night 13/24 (54%) George/Westbrook 10/38 (26%) Not the smartest idea to have 3 iso players that want to play one on one and force up their shots. George will even be open and just catch the ball and wait for a defender to cover him to get in his iso rythym.

11-18-2017, 12:24 PM	#14
Ottomatic Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 4,141 Ottomatic	George and Melo aren't near as good as people think they are.

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jcardstore Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 21,866 Jcardstore	Melo is an offense killer. He takes terrible shots and can’t facilitate and play without the ball. WB/George are fine but the thunder aren’t going anywhere with melo __________________ Just moonwalking through hell on my last brain cell

11-18-2017, 04:54 PM	#22
benz35 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,854	Thunder roster was made for 2K lol

11-20-2017, 11:44 PM	#25
hairyangryfella Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New Zealand Posts: 13,219	Up 19 against New Orleans and.... But Westbrook got a T-D! Oooohhhhh. Sick of this crap.