What do you think when you see listings like this?

dasiegel · 11-27-2015, 05:34 PM

I was looking for some high end Wiggins stuff and I sorted from highest to lowest. The first Flawless card that comes up is this:
2014 15 Flawless Andrew Wiggins Encased Emerald Rookie Patch Auto True RPA 3 5 | eBay

Ok, fine, that is what some consider the "true" RPA (even though it's uglier and there is no true RPA lol)

So then I scroll down and see this:
2014-15 Flawless Rookie ANDREW WIGGINS 3 Colors PATCH AUTO RC Gold 09/10 RPA

Now I don't know which one of these was listed first but I scroll down one more (these are just the top 3) and I see this:
2014 15 Panini Flawless Momentous Rookie Auto Patch Andrew Wiggins 4 5 4 Color | eBay

Now. I'm looking at this from both sides, seller and buyer. I'm just looking for your thoughts on the prices here. If I'm the seller of the gold momentous rpa, I'm pissed that the same card I have only emerald and with a better patch is $1500 less than my card. To me that just drives the price down.

Think about Flawless, $1700ish a box. $3400 a case. If one of the best hits, the Wiggins Emerald RPA with a nice patch is at $3500 BIN only that sucks. Because how can Flawless be worth buying if one of the top cards in the whole product isn't worth more than a case. IMO that card SHOULD be an instant BIN hit... but maybe it's not because maybe Flawless isn't looked at the way it used to be for w/e reason.

But anyway if I had the gold and I hit that in a box I'm like wow, I thought my BIN/BEST was ok since I paid $1700 for my box, maybe a little high but now it just looks greedy... do I too have to go to like $2999.99 BIN/BEST, again meaning one of the top hitsproducts in the friggin product can't even pay for a case!?

As a buyer, this seems like a buyers delight, Wiggins just seems to be hitting his stride, his team is hot and there are fewer and fewer of his Flawless cards each week (27 at the time of this OP).

So dasiegel, what are you trying to do, if it's that good why aren't you buying it!?

Great question alternate universe dasiegel, the answer is, IDK.

Now that they have announced Eminence, maybe those Flawless cards aren't quite as good. Maybe they are but the market isn't sure yet. Maybe people will see Wiggins like they saw Davis and Curry last year and I'll regret it but maybe after this new high end product comes out along with the staple NTRPA that seem to trump all RPAs (the market doesn't seem to care about game v. event used) they will not go up.

I basically am rambling at this point but if you have read this far to be clear:

How do you feel as a buyer and as a seller when thinking about selling or purchasing a card and similar cards are priced "out of order" that is to say a more rare version is listed for less than it's higher version counterpart? Does that tell you anything about the card's future market or bring up any concerns? Any positives?

Stackfan · 11-27-2015, 05:42 PM

I feel like a lot of sellers under-value and sell their cards low, simply to move the product. As a box breaking fan, it hurts because i can't come close to breaking even when trying to sell. On the other hand, it's a buyers market. I guess hopefully someone snatches up the wiggins and relist and matches prices with the other green.

I am a little surprised with these flawless auto's not selling for more.. but with Panini eminence coming down the road, these values could drop. Guess at the end of the day, all that matters is "will wiggins be the next big thing?" If he is, all his cards will be super steals today. If he only reaches all-star caliber, his cards will begin to fizzle, especially super high end.

SanAntonioSpurs · 11-27-2015, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Stackfan

I feel like a lot of sellers under-value and sell their cards low, simply to move the product.

Bingo. And the same sellers are the ones who complain how the hobby is dying.

minnesotachill · 11-27-2015, 05:58 PM

The first Emerald RPA auction was manipulated and shilled up to $4400

After the auction, an overseas seller with the same card, sold it for $3250.

Very strange if you ask me. It makes me think that they bid it up to that amount only to make it look like their buyers were getting a steal at $3250

Based on what the Ruby and Silver versions go for $1000-1300, I would not pay a penny over $2500 for the Emerald version.

XARZY · 11-27-2015, 06:03 PM

What runs through my head is that if a person really cared about the value of their cards dropping, they would do a better job at keeping the values up.

Steveefranchise · 11-27-2015, 06:15 PM

I think a lot depends on the calling card for each set. Realistically you can get high end Wiggins RPA's out of several sets (NT, Imm, Flawless, etc.) Flawless has the gem cards that are unique strictly to Flawless and I think those are the real chase cards from the set.

Completely anecdotal with no evidence or research to support.

xavieronly1 · 11-27-2015, 06:22 PM

Why would a green /5 drive the price down for gold /10 listed at $5k? Just because the owner of gold /10 put a ridiculous listing price, we somehow agree that $5k listing is reasonable?

Second, Flawless setup is a different animal. It has 1k card and many $100s cards. It does not build with $10k with $10 cards.

Lasty, what really drive the price down is the past listing. This /5 sold for $1675. The top of the class /5 is just $765. So, why would anyone pay double as of Nov, 2015? It will take awhile or some serious hype from Wiggins to push the card to $3.5k.

goehring9 · 11-27-2015, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SanAntonioSpurs

Bingo. And the same sellers are the ones who complain how the hobby is dying.

And then when sellers price their cards 'at market' the buyers start threads complaining about prices being too high. It's rare to satisfy both parties in the transaction.

kyleuk21 · 11-27-2015, 06:58 PM

Who cares? A seller can sell for whatever price they want. It's not their job to check with others with the same/similar card to see if they think it's ok first.

shindo03 · 11-27-2015, 07:11 PM

Dasiegal, I made a long post, but it I lost it hahaha cause I wasn't logged in.

dasiegel · 11-28-2015, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by shindo03

Dasiegal, I made a long post, but it I lost it hahaha cause I wasn't logged in.

haha, thanks man, i appreciate it, if you wanna give the reader's digest version tomorrow go for it!

11-27-2015, 05:34 PM	#1
dasiegel Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 27,556	What do you think when you see listings like this? I was looking for some high end Wiggins stuff and I sorted from highest to lowest. The first Flawless card that comes up is this: 2014 15 Flawless Andrew Wiggins Encased Emerald Rookie Patch Auto True RPA 3 5 \| eBay Ok, fine, that is what some consider the "true" RPA (even though it's uglier and there is no true RPA lol) So then I scroll down and see this: 2014-15 Flawless Rookie ANDREW WIGGINS 3 Colors PATCH AUTO RC Gold 09/10 RPA Now I don't know which one of these was listed first but I scroll down one more (these are just the top 3) and I see this: 2014 15 Panini Flawless Momentous Rookie Auto Patch Andrew Wiggins 4 5 4 Color \| eBay Now. I'm looking at this from both sides, seller and buyer. I'm just looking for your thoughts on the prices here. If I'm the seller of the gold momentous rpa, I'm pissed that the same card I have only emerald and with a better patch is $1500 less than my card. To me that just drives the price down. Think about Flawless, $1700ish a box. $3400 a case. If one of the best hits, the Wiggins Emerald RPA with a nice patch is at $3500 BIN only that sucks. Because how can Flawless be worth buying if one of the top cards in the whole product isn't worth more than a case. IMO that card SHOULD be an instant BIN hit... but maybe it's not because maybe Flawless isn't looked at the way it used to be for w/e reason. But anyway if I had the gold and I hit that in a box I'm like wow, I thought my BIN/BEST was ok since I paid $1700 for my box, maybe a little high but now it just looks greedy... do I too have to go to like $2999.99 BIN/BEST, again meaning one of the top hitsproducts in the friggin product can't even pay for a case!? As a buyer, this seems like a buyers delight, Wiggins just seems to be hitting his stride, his team is hot and there are fewer and fewer of his Flawless cards each week (27 at the time of this OP). So dasiegel, what are you trying to do, if it's that good why aren't you buying it!? Great question alternate universe dasiegel, the answer is, IDK. Now that they have announced Eminence, maybe those Flawless cards aren't quite as good. Maybe they are but the market isn't sure yet. Maybe people will see Wiggins like they saw Davis and Curry last year and I'll regret it but maybe after this new high end product comes out along with the staple NTRPA that seem to trump all RPAs (the market doesn't seem to care about game v. event used) they will not go up. I basically am rambling at this point but if you have read this far to be clear: How do you feel as a buyer and as a seller when thinking about selling or purchasing a card and similar cards are priced "out of order" that is to say a more rare version is listed for less than it's higher version counterpart? Does that tell you anything about the card's future market or bring up any concerns? Any positives? __________________ Board man. Board man gets paid. Last edited by dasiegel; 11-27-2015 at 05:39 PM.

11-27-2015, 06:03 PM	#5
XARZY Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Miami Beach, FL Posts: 8,729 Xarzy	What runs through my head is that if a person really cared about the value of their cards dropping, they would do a better job at keeping the values up. __________________ Retired From The Hobby IG: @xarzy @morbidhype

11-27-2015, 06:22 PM	#7
xavieronly1 Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 13,006	Why would a green /5 drive the price down for gold /10 listed at $5k? Just because the owner of gold /10 put a ridiculous listing price, we somehow agree that $5k listing is reasonable? Second, Flawless setup is a different animal. It has 1k card and many $100s cards. It does not build with $10k with $10 cards. Lasty, what really drive the price down is the past listing. This /5 sold for $1675. The top of the class /5 is just $765. So, why would anyone pay double as of Nov, 2015? It will take awhile or some serious hype from Wiggins to push the card to $3.5k. __________________ Instagram IG: xavieronly1

11-27-2015, 05:42 PM	#2
Stackfan Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 3,494	I feel like a lot of sellers under-value and sell their cards low, simply to move the product. As a box breaking fan, it hurts because i can't come close to breaking even when trying to sell. On the other hand, it's a buyers market. I guess hopefully someone snatches up the wiggins and relist and matches prices with the other green. I am a little surprised with these flawless auto's not selling for more.. but with Panini eminence coming down the road, these values could drop. Guess at the end of the day, all that matters is "will wiggins be the next big thing?" If he is, all his cards will be super steals today. If he only reaches all-star caliber, his cards will begin to fizzle, especially super high end.

11-27-2015, 05:58 PM	#4
minnesotachill Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,883	The first Emerald RPA auction was manipulated and shilled up to $4400 After the auction, an overseas seller with the same card, sold it for $3250. Very strange if you ask me. It makes me think that they bid it up to that amount only to make it look like their buyers were getting a steal at $3250 Based on what the Ruby and Silver versions go for $1000-1300, I would not pay a penny over $2500 for the Emerald version.

11-27-2015, 06:15 PM	#6
Steveefranchise Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 1,865	I think a lot depends on the calling card for each set. Realistically you can get high end Wiggins RPA's out of several sets (NT, Imm, Flawless, etc.) Flawless has the gem cards that are unique strictly to Flawless and I think those are the real chase cards from the set. Completely anecdotal with no evidence or research to support.

11-27-2015, 06:58 PM	#9
kyleuk21 Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,971 redlegs317 kyleuk21	Who cares? A seller can sell for whatever price they want. It's not their job to check with others with the same/similar card to see if they think it's ok first.

11-27-2015, 07:11 PM	#10
shindo03 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,092	Dasiegal, I made a long post, but it I lost it hahaha cause I wasn't logged in.