Finding Non-Poopy Jersey Cards

[asymmetricalbet]

Trying to find an actual Ja'marr Chase card that has a game used patch. Can't find a thing. Does a card with a non-steaming pile of brown organic matter jersey card exist?

[Grid]

A Chase game used jersey goes for $25K-$35K. Zero chance any card company would pay that to chop one up. When collectors have proven to still buy boxes with "player worn" swatches in them.

The juice is not worth the squeeze. Its the very reason why there is so little game worn anything in cards these days.

They stock up on player worn at the Rookie Premiere. Then store those to be used for years to come. And if that player was a bust, they will have the next rookie from that team wear them and start the cycle all over again.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Grid

A Chase game used jersey goes for $25K-$35K. Zero chance any card company would pay that to chop one up. When collectors have proven to still buy boxes with "player worn" swatches in them.

The juice is not worth the squeeze. Its the very reason why there is so little game worn anything in cards these days.

They stock up on player worn at the Rookie Premiere. Then store those to be used for years to come. And if that player was a bust, they will have the next rookie from that team wear them and start the cycle all over again.

Yep exactly, tons of people treat the non worn stuff as "sick" and "awesome" that at least for Football, player worn is probably going to be the best anyone's going to get

[BostonNut]

I guess I don't understand the fuss between player-worn and game-worn?

What is the difference?

They both have the players dead skin on them.

Why do the circumstances of where the clothing was used matter so much?

[Grid]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

I guess I don't understand the fuss between player-worn and game-worn?

What is the difference?

They both have the players dead skin on them.

Why do the circumstances of where the clothing was used matter so much?

Those that think like you are the reason why card companies can do this.

One is a jersey that was used in a game. It took part in history. It was seen on TV and in the stadium by millions of people. It was from a moment in time. They did something in it. Scored a TD, caught a pass, sacked a QB ETC.

The other was bought off the rack from Walmart, and the player touched it for a few seconds.

If you cant see there is a difference in that, I cant help you.

The hobby has long valued actual game used/worn anything at a premium.

A Patrick Mahomes gamer from a random game VS the Raiders in 2020, just sold for $183,000 a few months back. Another from a random game in 2021 sold for $192,000 around X-mas.

A Mahomes game issued, not worn, jersey goes for $5K.

A Mahomes team issued jersey goes for $1500.

A Mahomes Pro Model from the Fanatics shop goes for $300.

You are getting a slice of the $300 one on your card, not the $200K one. Or even the $5K/$1500 one. There is a difference.

[Ninotores]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

I guess I don't understand the fuss between player-worn and game-worn?

What is the difference?

They both have the players dead skin on them.

Why do the circumstances of where the clothing was used matter so much?

Because it's history? The jersey piece was worn in a game by the player? I'm old enough to remember a time when card companies even listed the game/date the jersey was from. It was a nice piece of history to have and keep. As opposed to a player wearing a jersey for 30 seconds while signing stickers. There's a big difference.

[Bosoxfan5990]

This would make a very poopy jersey card.

[Grid]

Add Jalen Hurts to the list! Are "poopy cards" worth more, if the dump took place in the Playoffs?

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by Grid

Add Jalen Hurts to the list! Are "poopy cards" worth more, if the dump took place in the Playoffs?

Playoff game-used poopy.

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by Ninotores

Because it's history? The jersey piece was worn in a game by the player? I'm old enough to remember a time when card companies even listed the game/date the jersey was from. It was a nice piece of history to have and keep. As opposed to a player wearing a jersey for 30 seconds while signing stickers. There's a big difference.

Nah.

I don't give a crap if Joe Schmo wore it in a 6-3 TNF borefest.

Now if you're telling me Tom Brady wore it to win his seventh Super Bowl, now we are talking.

Yuge difference.

[Seahawks fan]

Originally Posted by asymmetricalbet

Trying to find an actual Ja'marr Chase card that has a game used patch. Can't find a thing. Does a card with a non-steaming pile of brown organic matter jersey card exist?

The sad part is the low end garbage companies like Jersey Fusion and Leaf will get more game used items than the companies making 10x more like Fanatics/Panini.

Once the NFL hobby switched to a monopolized 1 licensed brand there is 0 motivation for them to do anything big/innovative just like every Madden game for the last 15 years. Toss in group breakers and the narrative that only rookie QBs are worth collecting and literally everything sells out with 0 effort. Won't change unless the gamblers quit buying.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Seahawks fan

The sad part is the low end garbage companies like Jersey Fusion and Leaf will get more game used items than the companies making 10x more like Fanatics/Panini.

Once the NFL hobby switched to a monopolized 1 licensed brand there is 0 motivation for them to do anything big/innovative just like every Madden game for the last 15 years. Toss in group breakers and the narrative that only rookie QBs are worth collecting and literally everything sells out with 0 effort. Won't change unless the gamblers quit buying.

Jersey Fusion is the biggest scam out there. Their COA on these "cards", which I use lightly. Just tells you to go to their site. And the only thing on their site, are means to buy their products.

Just because low level companies like Leaf & whatever the hell Jersey Fusion is, label their stuff "game used". That doesnt mean you are getting anything actually game used. The big card companies just dont want the liability in tagging questions stuff as game used. As their include a guarantee.

So many auction houses sell "Game Used" jersey that are anything but credible. And these companies that buy them, lean in to the fact the auction house called it game used, and its their liability not theirs.

Like this, that states it was worn in 1985 during the Super Bowl run. Which unless you could photo match, you;d have no idea which year it was worn in that era.





An actual Walter Payton game used jersey should be riddled with repairs. Have thicker mil for the numbers, as they would get pounded. Double twill on the shoulders. And the handful that are known to exist, as Payton was very superstitious when it came to using new equipment, start at $100K

I assume the one JF is cutting up was this vintage retail model, that sold for under $5K since non-clueless collectors avoided it. "Hey, Grey Flannel said it was game used" "Not us".

https://greyflannelauctions.com/lot/...d-home-jersey/

[Ninotores]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

Nah.

I don't give a crap if Joe Schmo wore it in a 6-3 TNF borefest.

Now if you're telling me Tom Brady wore it to win his seventh Super Bowl, now we are talking.

Yuge difference.

OK YOU don't care. A lot of collectors DO. I personally don't need some walmart rack "OMG ITS A 4 COLOR LOGO PATCH" card. It's useless to me. Now if it was worn by the player in a game, that's pretty cool. That's something to hold onto.

I do roll my eyes at the youtube breakers that check every card thinking Panini changed their ways for a certain product and then always voice disappointment when its not even player worn lol.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

Nah.

I don't give a crap if Joe Schmo wore it in a 6-3 TNF borefest.

Now if you're telling me Tom Brady wore it to win his seventh Super Bowl, now we are talking.

Yuge difference.

I see what you did there.

[asymmetricalbet]

Yeah it's bad. I guess my question is: Are there actual end collectors for the poopy "not from anything" cards? Or are they just social media fodder to sell breaks and pump cards? Just seems like, especially rookie cards with poopy no game-worn anything on them, should fall way behind even just an awesome parallel.

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by asymmetricalbet

Yeah it's bad. I guess my question is: Are there actual end collectors for the poopy "not from anything" cards? Or are they just social media fodder to sell breaks and pump cards? Just seems like, especially rookie cards with poopy no game-worn anything on them, should fall way behind even just an awesome parallel.

A patch being player/game worn isn't as important to me as the aesthetic nature of the card. Patch autos just look the best to me. If it is also game worn then that's a nice bonus.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by kipgen

A patch being player/game worn isn't as important to me as the aesthetic nature of the card. Patch autos just look the best to me. If it is also game worn then that's a nice bonus.

And don't take this as a knock, there's plenty of collectors like you and collect what you like, but this is why Panini can do what they do. There's a lot of collectors who don't care about game used/worn and just love sick patches so why should Panini spend thousands of dollars on game used stuff when player worn and non associated seems to accepted by a lot of the hobby

[asymmetricalbet]

Originally Posted by kipgen

A patch being player/game worn isn't as important to me as the aesthetic nature of the card. Patch autos just look the best to me. If it is also game worn then that's a nice bonus.

Ok I am just genuinely trying to understand this. So first, thanks for sharing that this is how you think about this. But I have to ask… say Panini started to put some other random thing in the card (not a jersey) but it just looked cool. Would you love those cards as well? I mean if it just aesthetics, then game worn doesn’t matter but then I’d also think it doesn’t matter if it’s a jersey either.

[thesportslab]

Panini does have other non-jersey items. I also PC him and have seen the cards with gloves,, caps, helmet, etc., typically in the immaculate set. Same concept. Some look cool. Others are a plain white material. Collect what you like, I guess. I sure wish game-user for him was an option. Let me know if you find something!

[Grid]

Originally Posted by asymmetricalbet

Ok I am just genuinely trying to understand this. So first, thanks for sharing that this is how you think about this. But I have to ask… say Panini started to put some other random thing in the card (not a jersey) but it just looked cool. Would you love those cards as well? I mean if it just aesthetics, then game worn doesn’t matter but then I’d also think it doesn’t matter if it’s a jersey either.

They have tried putting everything and anything in cards over the years. Coins, stamps, and manufactured hits with generic items unrelated to sports don't do well.

Footballs, pylons, turf ETC. All have various degrees of acceptance. But overall very low hobby love.

Jerseys/Helmets/Gloves seems to offer the most unique twists, due to colors or the possible presence of logos. Collectors like the variance of pulling something with a premium swatch.

No one really wanted any of these things. So there is a limit to what you can shove into a card and get away with it.

[majestik101]

2014 Topps Prime is the one rare release that features actual authentic GAME USED rookie material.

Sadly, the relics in all rookie cards these days are player worn for 2-3 seconds then thrown into a heap to be shipped off to Panini.

[bojesphob]

Originally Posted by Grid

They have tried putting everything and anything in cards over the years. Coins, stamps, and manufactured hits with generic items unrelated to sports don't do well.

Footballs, pylons, turf ETC. All have various degrees of acceptance. But overall very low hobby love.

Jerseys/Helmets/Gloves seems to offer the most unique twists, due to colors or the possible presence of logos. Collectors like the variance of pulling something with a premium swatch.

No one really wanted any of these things. So there is a limit to what you can shove into a card and get away with it.

I'm not a fan of jersey cards in general, even game worn (for the most part). But, I will say I've owned several of the Topps medallion cards like that McCoy and wonder why those didn't catch on better. The heft to them was impressive, and I thought they were really cool looking. Of course, those would be SUPER easy to find in the packs, which took out some of the fun of finding them, but that could have been mitigated by having a redemption card that you send in that was the same weight as the regular cards.

The stamps and coins they've done over the years I never really understood why they thought that would go over well. 2012 Magic (or was it 2013?) had buffalo nickels and stamps in them.... and the nickels they put in were worth 5 cents (no actual collectors values due to the production the years they used) and the stamps were all ones any stamp collector could tell you were next to worthless. I mean, if they got some 1913-1928 San Francisco minted buffalo nickels or stamps that were worth more than a dollar they'd be worth the time and effort.