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BUYER BEWARE of fake 2000 Finest Moments Autographs, typically graded by PSA or BGS of the following players: Bart Starr, John Elway, Dan Marino, Franco Harris, Kurt Warner, and Joe Montana.
At some point, copies without autographs and authentication stickers were graded by BGS and sold to an unknown party who added their own counterfeit autographs and Topps stickers from other cards. ![]() PSA has graded at least 22 of these cards with FAKE autographs and BOGUS authentication stickers. See below for examples and some lists of KNOWN FAKE copies. These lists are by no means exhaustive. Particularly I am certain there are numerous additional BGS counterfeits out there. PSA GRADED CONFIRMED FAKE COPIES: 27817295 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM13 JOE MONTANA GEM MT 10 11/6/2017 $256.01 probstein123 27817296 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM1 BART STARR GEM MT 10 12/18/2017 $427.77 pwcc_auctions 28210570 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM4 DAN MARINO GEM MT 10 1/5/2018 $274.99 jczyz006 28210571 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM13 JOE MONTANA GEM MT 10 NULL NULL NULL 28328290 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM6 FRANCO HARRIS GEM MT 10 4/10/2018 $145.00 j-man373 28328291 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM13 JOE MONTANA GEM MT 10 3/14/2018 $275.00 j-man373 28477571 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR AUTOGRAPHS FM12 KURT WARNER MINT 9 12/21/2017 $97.00 probstein123 28477572 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM3 JOHN ELWAY MINT 9 12/21/2017 $97.00 probstein123 28745318 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM13 JOE MONTANA MINT 9 3/18/2018 $114.55 probstein123 28827902 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM1 BART STARR GEM MT 10 7/30/2018 $382.15 probstein123 28827903 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM3 JOHN ELWAY GEM MT 10 8/13/2018 $225.00 j-man373 41056518 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM3 JOHN ELWAY MINT 9 8/23/2018 $99.00 probstein123 41056519 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR AUTOGRAPHS FM12 KURT WARNER MINT 9 8/23/2018 $78.00 probstein123 41284487 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM4 DAN MARINO GEM MT 10 2/13/2019 $275.00 j-man373 41284492 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM3 JOHN ELWAY GEM MT 10 NULL NULL NULL 41602197 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM4 DAN MARINO GEM MT 10 2/11/2019 $177.20 probstein123 41602214 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR AUTOGRAPHS FM12 KURT WARNER GEM MT 10 1/29/2019 $136.50 probstein123 41602239 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM6 FRANCO HARRIS GEM MT 10 1/29/2019 $89.00 probstein123 41850536 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM4 DAN MARINO MINT 9 4/10/2019 $151.71 cardsatthecages_nc 41850537 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR AUTOGRAPHS FM12 KURT WARNER GEM MT 10 2/25/2019 $156.50 pwcc_auctions 42219226 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM6 FRANCO HARRIS MINT 9 3/11/2019 $34.00 probstein123 42219227 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM4 DAN MARINO MINT 9 4/21/2019 $113.50 pwcc_auctions 44800484 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM6 FRANCO HARRIS MINT 9 NULL NULL NULL 82509993 2000 FINEST MOMENTS REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPHS FM3 JOHN ELWAY MINT 9 BGS GRADED CONFIRMED FAKE COPIES: 10063780 Football 2000 Finest Moments Refractors Autographs Joe Montana 9.5 10063782 Football 2000 Finest Moments Refractors Autographs Bart Starr 9.5 10063785 Football 2000 Finest Moments Refractors Autographs Bart Starr 9.5 10063786 Football 2000 Finest Moments Refractors Autographs Dan Marino 9.5 10197099 Football 2000 Finest Moments Refractors Autographs Bart Starr 9 10197101 Football 2000 Finest Moments Refractors Autographs Joe Montana 9.5 10257223 Football 2000 Finest Moments Refractors Autographs Bart Starr 9.5 10257246 Football 2000 Finest Moments Refractors Autographs John Elway 9 10415847 Football 2000 Finest Moments Refractors Autographs Bart Starr 9.5 10544377 Football 2000 Finest Moments Refractors Autographs Franco Harris 9.5 10544381 Football 2000 Finest Moments Refractors Autographs John Elway 9 10844301 Football 2000 Finest Moments Refractors Autographs Kurt Warner 9.5 10844305 Football 2000 Finest Moments Refractors Autographs Franco Harris 9.5 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Good!
Good for you my Man. Keep reporting. Keep up the good work. Hobby going to trash with this deception. |
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PSA - the industry leader!
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Great hobby!
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So PSA Authentication passed these?
If so that is bad for the hobby. People rely on their authentication. |
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Never get cheated
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To be fair, the PSA submitters knew/know what they are doing and didn't have the auto grade, just the card, BGS graded both. the PSA should have been kicked back as altered or listed so on the tag.
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So wait...what exactly happened? Someone bought the unautographed graded copy, cracked it, faked the auto, then resubmitted for grading?
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Yes. They also added a bogus Topps sticker to the back.
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I know he's not a huge name ... but I recently bought a PSA 10 Andre Reed from this very set for my PC -- and now I'm wondering if it's fake. To be perfectly honest, I have no idea how you can tell.
I also bought it from Probstein123. Mind taking a look? I still hate trying to add photos here. Let's just try an Imgur link. |
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And a rule for all the players is that if the sticker number on the back doesn’t begin with a 0 it is definitely fake (at least with the players in the OP, I didn’t confirm on every common auto). That doesn’t necessarily mean that every one starting with a 0 is real but it’s a good sign that it likely is.
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All added to the Altered Card Database
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Said this in another thread but also applies here:
PSA got exposed. They authenticated fake cards as "GEM MT" which means they don't actually know how to authenticate. Which begs the question what business are graders truly in because it apparently isn't the authentication business. The authentication card grading industry needs to get major regulation. Write your congressman. ![]() |
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I was bidding on a Franco Harris PSA graded copy of this card recently. Glad i lost that auction!
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Still no action by PSA regarding these cards.
Certs are still active.
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FWIW, after sharing the thread with PSA, they at least acknowledged being aware of the info and handling internally.
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The psa copies are now deactivated, still nothing from Beckett.
Nice work.
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Beckett will never deactivate.
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Here's another Elway fake, currently for sale on eBay. As you can see it has the same bogus autograph in addition to a Topps sticker that has clearly been taken off of another card from a different set.
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The pwcc/probstein offloading pattern doesn't help, but have you been able to link these submissions back to known person/group?
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All added to the newly updated Altered Card Database.
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