The state of the hobby

[RKH916]

Drug dealers and crackheads.

[hermanotarjeta]

You can’t buy other holders from other companies because your collection doesn’t stack well.

If you are a psa head, it’ll cost you more to collect, for the exact same card.

[Nomad]

Add another 25 percent to that PSA price if you sleeve it?

[GOATMJ]

Buy the card, not the slab.

[duron]

Originally Posted by GOATMJ

Don't buy this card or slab

[mc1]

POP 114 for that Edwards? Wow, BGS really has fallen off. Sad!

[duron]

Originally Posted by mc1

POP 114 for that Edwards? Wow, BGS really has fallen off. Sad!

Wild.

[ThatGuyPal]

Regardless of what old heads say, a BGS 9.5 is not the same as a PSA 10 to the modern collector, they say one says 9 and the other says 10. Not saying it'll make much difference but they need to stop comparing BGS 9.5 to PSA 10, I guarantee a BGS 10 is at least more than an SGC 10

[kipgen]

What's the point of this thread exactly?

[discodanman45]

All those slabs are overpriced. Raw versions are cheaper and will lose less money.

[Nomad]

Slabs make a lot of sense for:

1) cards there just aren't enough numbered parallels of to go around

2) cards with no parallels

3) condition sensitive cards

4) ultra-rare cards

5) people who want to enshrine garbage that means a lot to them personally

6) people who want to flip garbage

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Slabs make a lot of sense for:

1) cards there just aren't enough numbered parallels of to go around

2) cards with no parallels

3) condition sensitive cards

4) ultra-rare cards

5) people who want to enshrine garbage that means a lot to them personally

6) people who want to flip garbage

Need to add cards that are faked a lot and authenticity is a necessity. Countdown until we see someone ask how their fake 1953 Mantle they bought on Facebook will grade...

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Regardless of what old heads say, a BGS 9.5 is not the same as a PSA 10 to the modern collector, they say one says 9 and the other says 10. Not saying it'll make much difference but they need to stop comparing BGS 9.5 to PSA 10, I guarantee a BGS 10 is at least more than an SGC 10

There is a lot more to it then that. There are those who have far too many 10’s then what the odds should be unless they allow the garbage cards to receive the low marks and the elite cards to receive a extra bump in it’s grade.

I knew a connected person but he was eventually caught. A stack of 9.5’s while the rest of our cards had to even the percentage. Those connected can flaw the grading system and we have seen many pics of cards with flaws being allowed a much higher grade.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Regardless of what old heads say, a BGS 9.5 is not the same as a PSA 10 to the modern collector, they say one says 9 and the other says 10. Not saying it'll make much difference but they need to stop comparing BGS 9.5 to PSA 10, I guarantee a BGS 10 is at least more than an SGC 10

A PSA 10 and BGS 10 arent comparable. What percentage of cards get a BGS 10? I checked the Silvers for Edwards and theres only 2 out of 245. 84 out of 245 were 9.5. Thats just over 34%.

Compare that to PSA. About 1/3 of all silvers graded are 10s! 1982 out of 5957.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

All those slabs are overpriced. Raw versions are cheaper and will lose less money.

This is the way

Buy the CARD not the grade if you insist on slabbed cards

[RKH916]

Originally Posted by mc1

A PSA 10 and BGS 10 arent comparable. What percentage of cards get a BGS 10? I checked the Silvers for Edwards and theres only 2 out of 245. 84 out of 245 were 9.5. Thats just over 34%.

Compare that to PSA. About 1/3 of all silvers graded are 10s! 1982 out of 5957.

I have a few PSA 10's, and see them all the time, that are simply not 10's based on centering alone. It bothers me as a collector.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by RKH916

I have a few PSA 10's, and see them all the time, that are simply not 10's based on centering alone. It bothers me as a collector.

They are typically 10's according to PSA standards. 60/40 centering could be a 10 and depending on the card, it could look absolutely horrific. That is why I prefer SGC/CGC grading standards. Nothing less than a 55/45 centering should get a 10.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by RKH916

I have a few PSA 10's, and see them all the time, that are simply not 10's based on centering alone. It bothers me as a collector.

Thats probably because your idea of a 10 and their idea of a 10 are different. Centering doesnt have to be 50/50 or the card perfect otherwise for a Gem 10 grade.

[RKH916]

Originally Posted by mc1

Thats probably because your idea of a 10 and their idea of a 10 are different. Centering doesnt have to be 50/50 or the card perfect otherwise for a Gem 10 grade.

I am fully aware of that. As a collector, I take issue with it. I prefer that higher standards be applied to something at the ultimate end of a scale.

60/40 centering does not = a 10 [in my view]. And it's bothersome to look at a card that is clearly off center in a 10 slab.

They could also accept 70/30 as a 10 for their standards if they wished... It wouldn't make it any more correct [in my view]

[mc1]

Originally Posted by RKH916

I am fully aware of that.

So, they arent 10s just because you dont think so? The standards are posted and centering can be measured to determine if it falls between their guidelines.

[RKH916]

Originally Posted by mc1

So, they arent 10s just because you dont think so? The standards are posted and centering can be measured to determine if it falls between their guidelines.

Welcome to the land of subjectivity.

If they change their guidelines to 80/20, is it a 10?

[mc1]

Originally Posted by RKH916

Welcome to the land of subjectivity.

If they change their guidelines to 80/20, is it a 10?

They havent changed them. Lets stick to the facts and not get into whatif scenarios.

Youre free to buy only cards you think are 10s. As weve said many times before, buy the card, not the grade!

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by RKH916

I am fully aware of that. As a collector, I take issue with it. I prefer that higher standards be applied to something at the ultimate end of a scale.

60/40 centering does not = a 10 [in my view]. And it's bothersome to look at a card that is clearly off center in a 10 slab.

They could also accept 70/30 as a 10 for their standards if they wished... It wouldn't make it any more correct [in my view]

There are companies that have different standards, don't buy PSA if you object to it.

[RKH916]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

There are companies that have different standards, don't buy PSA if you object to it.

I don't anymore. I've gone back to BGS-only for my PC.

[Stackfan]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Regardless of what old heads say, a BGS 9.5 is not the same as a PSA 10 to the modern collector, they say one says 9 and the other says 10. Not saying it'll make much difference but they need to stop comparing BGS 9.5 to PSA 10, I guarantee a BGS 10 is at least more than an SGC 10

The point is, the card inside the BGS 9.5 is typically equal to or better condition than the PSA 10. No one is arguing the PSA 10 isn’t more valuable. It’s the fact people pay nearly double for the slab itself.

Not to mention, PSA can’t even tell the difference between their 9’s and 10’s with their 100+ grading staff. Here nor there, that’s where we are at with the mindset of the hobby.