Panini agrees to pay 25 million to settle lawsuit with WildCard former CEO

brothertona · 08-30-2023, 08:27 AM

Panini blatantly infringed on WildCard's design, and are now forced to pay 25 million plus to settle the case.

https://twitter.com/Paul_Lesko/statu...018259397?s=20

Boo · 08-30-2023, 08:28 AM

What a bunch of dumb arses.

foleylion08 · 08-30-2023, 08:41 AM

So it sounds like Wild Card's old CEO doesn't get anything, but all of the debts owed from their bankruptcy will be paid off with interest. Good guy Panini lol

marinocollector · 08-30-2023, 08:47 AM

Huh. I assumed Panini had purchased the IP like they did Pacific. Interesting. I would love to do that set to go with my 92 and 93 set, just too pricey,

Grid · 08-30-2023, 10:46 AM

I'm hoping the Panini designer that came up with the idea to steal those designers. Is one of the many designers Fanatics just poached to come work for them!

jplarson · 08-30-2023, 11:22 AM

Panini steal designs and artwork from others? That's unpossible!

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?p=17666130

Floridacardguy · 08-30-2023, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

Panini blatantly infringed on WildCard's design, and are now forced to pay 25 million plus to settle the case.

https://twitter.com/Paul_Lesko/statu...018259397?s=20

They didn't even try and hide it, wow. Good for Wild Card. Wild Card makes just a good a product as Panini if not better (licensing aside)

IpcSteveYoung · 08-30-2023, 11:38 AM

Panini's gonna Panini.

auburn35 · 08-30-2023, 01:06 PM

Wasn't able to find the amount owed but it appears the NFLPA was among the creditors in that WildCard bankruptcy case. With their current legal issues, thought it was interesting at least a portion of the 25 million from Panini could be headed towards the NFLPA.

Also thought this was interesting, regarding the NFLPA, NFL and trading cards.

daveyc1 · 08-30-2023, 08:18 PM

Oh Panini...

fabiani12333 · 08-30-2023, 09:01 PM

$25 million for that?

fabiani12333 · 08-30-2023, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jplarson

Panini steal designs and artwork from others? That's unpossible!

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?p=17666130

Isn't it the employee doing it and not the company?

49erRCCollector · 08-30-2023, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

$25 million for that?

Seriously. It is egregious infringement but I think you'd have a tough time proving that a defunct brand last $25 million from some inserts?

How can this possibly be right?

And how did the lawyers at Panini OK the use of this?

jplarson · 08-30-2023, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Isn't it the employee doing it and not the company?

What?

no10pin · 08-30-2023, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Isn't it the employee doing it and not the company?

....so, you mean it's a person doing it vs. the company coming to life and doing it by itself?

fabiani12333 · 08-30-2023, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jplarson

What?

Did the card designer rip off the artwork without their employer being aware? You see it with writers who plagiarize someone else's work without their editor's or publisher's knowledge.

fabiani12333 · 08-30-2023, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

....so, you mean it's a person doing it vs. the company coming to life and doing it by itself?

Yeah -- do we know if the employee just ripped someone else's artwork off without Panini knowing?

no10pin · 08-30-2023, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Did the card designer rip off the artwork without their employer being aware? You see it with writers who plagiarize someone else's work without their editor's or publisher's knowledge.

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Yeah -- do we know if the employee just ripped someone else's artwork off without Panini knowing?

I'm not sure what difference it makes. If it makes it into the company's product, they are liable.

zworykin · 08-30-2023, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Yeah -- do we know if the employee just ripped someone else's artwork off without Panini knowing?

You do realize that doesn't make any difference, right?

jplarson · 08-30-2023, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Did the card designer rip off the artwork without their employer being aware? You see it with writers who plagiarize someone else's work without their editor's or publisher's knowledge.

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Yeah -- do we know if the employee just ripped someone else's artwork off without Panini knowing?

The company, Panini, is still liable for it. Either they knowingly allowed a designer to rip off art and hope no one noticed or they were ignorant to it and lacked proper internal compliance and management mechanisms to ensure designers wouldn't violate copyright.

Either way, "ignorance of the [copyright] law is no excuse in any country. If it were the laws would lose their effect because it can always be pretended." -Thomas Jefferson (and a bunch of other smart people in different variations before him).

TheFrenzy · 08-30-2023, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Yeah -- do we know if the employee just ripped someone else's artwork off without Panini knowing?

Why don’t the artists just start their own card company?

fabiani12333 · 08-31-2023, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by zworykin

You do realize that doesn't make any difference, right?

You don't think it matters whether management at Panini was aware or not they were using someone's else's artwork without permission?

fabiani12333 · 08-31-2023, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

I'm not sure what difference it makes. If it makes it into the company's product, they are liable.

Because if a company's management knows of the left they should be fired, not just the employee?

fabiani12333 · 08-31-2023, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jplarson

The company, Panini, is still liable for it. Either they knowingly allowed a designer to rip off art and hope no one noticed or they were ignorant to it and lacked proper internal compliance and management mechanisms to ensure designers wouldn't violate copyright.

Either way, "ignorance of the [copyright] law is no excuse in any country. If it were the laws would lose their effect because it can always be pretended." -Thomas Jefferson (and a bunch of other smart people in different variations before him).

Are you seriously lecturing me about the basics of copyright law? My question was not about who is civilly liable over the unauthorized use of someone else's artwork. My question was about who was aware of that left.

zworykin · 08-31-2023, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Because if a company's management knows of the left they should be fired, not just the employee?

Ah, yes, that's what you meant by "Isn't it the employee doing it and not the company?" Sure, sure.

08-30-2023, 08:27 AM	#1
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,950 brothertona1	Panini agrees to pay 25 million to settle lawsuit with WildCard former CEO Panini blatantly infringed on WildCard's design, and are now forced to pay 25 million plus to settle the case. https://twitter.com/Paul_Lesko/statu...018259397?s=20

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auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,337	Wasn't able to find the amount owed but it appears the NFLPA was among the creditors in that WildCard bankruptcy case. With their current legal issues, thought it was interesting at least a portion of the 25 million from Panini could be headed towards the NFLPA. Also thought this was interesting, regarding the NFLPA, NFL and trading cards. __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

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foleylion08 Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3,626 dynastysportscards17	So it sounds like Wild Card's old CEO doesn't get anything, but all of the debts owed from their bankruptcy will be paid off with interest. Good guy Panini lol

08-30-2023, 10:46 AM	#5
Grid Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 12,974 Gridiron-Gladiators	I'm hoping the Panini designer that came up with the idea to steal those designers. Is one of the many designers Fanatics just poached to come work for them!

08-30-2023, 11:22 AM	#6
jplarson Banned Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 15,578	Panini steal designs and artwork from others? That's unpossible! https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?p=17666130

08-30-2023, 11:38 AM	#8
IpcSteveYoung Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: New York Posts: 1,240	Panini's gonna Panini.

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daveyc1 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: maine Posts: 1,931	Oh Panini...

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fabiani12333 Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 11,591	$25 million for that?