marterburn's Top 50 Prospects without a Bowman auto

marterburn · 01-31-2022, 11:13 AM

I'm putting this here for the sake of the conversation. The writeups & media, etc are in the link. I'm posting the list below for a quicker reference, and so that if you're an anti-link-clicker, you don't have to.

https://www.prospects1500.com/baseba...man-autograph/

1 Brady House Was
2 George Valera Cle
3 Kahlil Watson Mia
4 Jack Leiter Tex
5 Jhonkensy Noel Cle
6 Trey Sweeney NYY
7 Roderick Arias NYY
8 Christian Vaquero Was
9 Alex De Jesus LAD
10 James Wood SD
11 James Triantos ChC
12 Gabriel Gonzalez Sea
13 Dustin Harris Hou
14 Joey Wiemer Mil
15 Curtis Mead TB
16 Colson Montgomery CHW
17 Joshua Baez StL
18 Eddys Leonard LAD
19 Elly De La Cruz Cin
20 Jose Ramos LAD
21 Eury Perez Mia
22 Deyvison De Los Santos Ari
23 Matt McClain Cin
24 Ricardo Cabrera Cin
25 William Bergolla Phi
26 Eddinson Paulino Bos
27 Hendry Mendez Mil
28 Samuel Zavala SD
29 Daniel Montesino SD
30 Aeverson Arteaga SF
31 Carlos Jorge Cin
32 Yanquiel Fernandez Col
33 Maxwell Muncy Oak
34 Jackson Merrill SD
35 Daylen Lile Was
36 Oscar Colas CHW
37 Edryn Rodriguez Sea
38 Alex Ramirez NYM
39 Manuel Beltre Tor
40 Christian Franklin ChC
41 Wilfred Veras CHW
42 Felix Valerio Mil
43 Jorbit Vivas LAD
44 Warming Bernabel Col
45 Vinnie Pasquantino KC
46 Matthew Fraizer Pit
47 Adrian Pinto Col
48 Zack Gelof Oak
49 Edouard Julien Min
50 Jonathan Aranda TB

There's also a pitcher list in the piece.

Bambino22 · 01-31-2022, 01:48 PM

Interesting. Thanks for posting. I was not sure of exactly how many and who.

I know not the focus of the article but I do wonder how much the market naturally figures this out and influences the non auto prices to be higher because of less supply.

I'm buying some Brady House mainly just because im a NATs fan but he is more expensive I'm assuming for lack of 1st Autos. Not only because he's a tier 1 guy.

I kind of like it for players that have bad autos because I get burnout collecting autos and non auto 1st bowmans of the same player with little added appeal.

marterburn · 01-31-2022, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bambino22

Interesting. Thanks for posting. I was not sure of exactly how many and who.

I know not the focus of the article but I do wonder how much the market naturally figures this out and influences the non auto prices to be higher because of less supply.

I'm buying some Brady House mainly just because im a NATs fan but he is more expensive I'm assuming for lack of 1st Autos. Not only because he's a tier 1 guy.

I kind of like it for players that have bad autos because I get burnout collecting autos and non auto 1st bowmans of the same player with little added appeal.

The focus is kinda "who can headline Bowman" -- it's a market predictor. Not necessarily in dollar value, but in hobby interest.

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There's a few things I didn't address:

Guys who only have paper autos like Jose Miranda & Alberto Rodriguez aren't included because Topps has never circled back to doing a Chrome auto of those guys.

I didn't have to address whether a guy who's only in an ancillary Bowman product (Inception, Sterling) would be included. Hudson Head was closest.

JRX · 01-31-2022, 02:10 PM

My guess they'll have Leiter/House/Watson in bowman and Arias will be in bowman chrome.

VandyCards · 01-31-2022, 03:53 PM

About what percentage of these are guys who were 2021 Draftees/Most recent J2?

Not that they don’t qualify under the term, just wondering.

The lack of Valera autos is different to me than the lack of Leiter autos, in some fashion.

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gresh87 · 01-31-2022, 04:06 PM

Is Colson Montgomery not expected to have an auto in the next Bowman release? If so, huge bummer. He's a local kid.

His HS team plays their home games at League Stadium - one of the fields used in "A League of Their Own". One of the other's being Bosse Field, which our team calls home!

marterburn · 01-31-2022, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by VandyCards

About what percentage of these are guys who were 2021 Draftees/Most recent J2?

Not that they don’t qualify under the term, just wondering.

The lack of Valera autos is different to me than the lack of Leiter autos, in some fashion.

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Leaf pays their guys a lot to sign. Topps & Panini not so much, and Leiter didn't have Panini autos either (outside USA, which is part of being on Team USA). That's why I'm a little skeptical -- but we'll see!

I only have (5) 2022 J15's. I didn't want to just flood the list with those, but we know the hobby will treat most of them better than that.

The 2021 Draft guys are (14) in number. All but Gelof would have been there with 0 performance.

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marterburn · 01-31-2022, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by gresh87

Is Colson Montgomery not expected to have an auto in the next Bowman release? If so, huge bummer. He's a local kid.

His HS team plays their home games at League Stadium - one of the fields used in "A League of Their Own". One of the other's being Bosse Field, which our team calls home!

I suspect he is. He's on the sell sheet with base cards at least.

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pskell02 · 01-31-2022, 04:14 PM

On a selfish Pirate fan level, I'm hoping for Hudson Head, Maikol Escotto, and Rodolfo Castro in addition to Frazier to get autos. Castro seems likely to have a TC RC auto before getting a chrome prospect card and/or auto, which kind of sucks.

CowboyDan · 01-31-2022, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gresh87

Is Colson Montgomery not expected to have an auto in the next Bowman release? If so, huge bummer. He's a local kid.

His HS team plays their home games at League Stadium - one of the fields used in "A League of Their Own". One of the other's being Bosse Field, which our team calls home!

I don't want to derail this thread too much, but it's awesome to see another southern Indiana guy around here! I loved playing at both of these fields when I was back in high school.

marterburn · 01-31-2022, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pskell02

On a selfish Pirate fan level, I'm hoping for Hudson Head, Maikol Escotto, and Rodolfo Castro in addition to Frazier to get autos. Castro seems likely to have a TC RC auto before getting a chrome prospect card and/or auto, which kind of sucks.

Head does have Inception autos.

Primordial Inception autos for Head.

I will not make it into a joke. I won't even mention his 2019 BDC number...

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BabaORiley · 01-31-2022, 06:45 PM

Really well done article. Seeing that Valera padparadscha makes me a little giddy, even knowing that I'll never see one in the wild.

Skipscards · 01-31-2022, 08:09 PM

This list is obviously wrong. Vinnie Pasquantino is way too low.

marterburn · 01-31-2022, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipscards

This list is obviously wrong. Vinnie Pasquantino is way too low.

I'm a believer in what he did. But he's 24 & squarely behind Pratto in the org. Thanks 2020 MiLB season...

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jsatx · 01-31-2022, 09:53 PM

How far away was Ty Madden from making the P list?

marterburn · 01-31-2022, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jsatx

How far away was Ty Madden from making the P list?

I threw that Tier P list together at the last minute. Those are all performance based.

Madden would definitely be somewhere in there, probably just above the older guys. I like him significantly better than Wicks.

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Skipscards · 02-01-2022, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by marterburn

I'm a believer in what he did. But he's 24 & squarely behind Pratto in the org. Thanks 2020 MiLB season...

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Meh. One can DH. Plus can’t keep down future HOFers.

RealDocStrange · 02-01-2022, 10:49 PM

Masyn Winn has to be top 50?

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marterburn · 02-01-2022, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RealDocStrange

Masyn Winn has to be top 50?

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Super exciting player -- he's in my next 10 -- it's the .356 slg that keeps him down for me.

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LittleJimmies · 02-02-2022, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by marterburn

Super exciting player -- he's in my next 10 -- it's the .356 slg that keeps him down for me.

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I see he only pitched 1 inning last year. Is two-way not a thing for him anymore?

Rastajo90 · 02-02-2022, 12:58 AM

I'm glad Harris gets some love but I hope people keep sleeping when his auto does come out.

marterburn · 02-02-2022, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

I see he only pitched 1 inning last year. Is two-way not a thing for him anymore?

He still wants to (he tweeted something to that effect right after his outing). But he's been pushed quickly because his speed & infield arm are playing so well. Getting reps at SS is clearly more important right now -- he's a bit raw defensively (24 E).

marterburn · 02-02-2022, 12:55 PM

Guys I think I whiffed on not including Yerlin Confidan ... I would've had him in the 30's. Huge SwStr% issue (35%!), but can't argue with the results.

01-31-2022, 11:13 AM	#1
marterburn Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Milwaukee area Posts: 4,719 burnmax12 burnmax12	marterburn's Top 50 Prospects without a Bowman auto I'm putting this here for the sake of the conversation. The writeups & media, etc are in the link. I'm posting the list below for a quicker reference, and so that if you're an anti-link-clicker, you don't have to. https://www.prospects1500.com/baseba...man-autograph/ 1 Brady House Was 2 George Valera Cle 3 Kahlil Watson Mia 4 Jack Leiter Tex 5 Jhonkensy Noel Cle 6 Trey Sweeney NYY 7 Roderick Arias NYY 8 Christian Vaquero Was 9 Alex De Jesus LAD 10 James Wood SD 11 James Triantos ChC 12 Gabriel Gonzalez Sea 13 Dustin Harris Hou 14 Joey Wiemer Mil 15 Curtis Mead TB 16 Colson Montgomery CHW 17 Joshua Baez StL 18 Eddys Leonard LAD 19 Elly De La Cruz Cin 20 Jose Ramos LAD 21 Eury Perez Mia 22 Deyvison De Los Santos Ari 23 Matt McClain Cin 24 Ricardo Cabrera Cin 25 William Bergolla Phi 26 Eddinson Paulino Bos 27 Hendry Mendez Mil 28 Samuel Zavala SD 29 Daniel Montesino SD 30 Aeverson Arteaga SF 31 Carlos Jorge Cin 32 Yanquiel Fernandez Col 33 Maxwell Muncy Oak 34 Jackson Merrill SD 35 Daylen Lile Was 36 Oscar Colas CHW 37 Edryn Rodriguez Sea 38 Alex Ramirez NYM 39 Manuel Beltre Tor 40 Christian Franklin ChC 41 Wilfred Veras CHW 42 Felix Valerio Mil 43 Jorbit Vivas LAD 44 Warming Bernabel Col 45 Vinnie Pasquantino KC 46 Matthew Fraizer Pit 47 Adrian Pinto Col 48 Zack Gelof Oak 49 Edouard Julien Min 50 Jonathan Aranda TB There's also a pitcher list in the piece.

01-31-2022, 01:48 PM	#2
Bambino22 Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: NoVA Posts: 2,527	Interesting. Thanks for posting. I was not sure of exactly how many and who. I know not the focus of the article but I do wonder how much the market naturally figures this out and influences the non auto prices to be higher because of less supply. I'm buying some Brady House mainly just because im a NATs fan but he is more expensive I'm assuming for lack of 1st Autos. Not only because he's a tier 1 guy. I kind of like it for players that have bad autos because I get burnout collecting autos and non auto 1st bowmans of the same player with little added appeal. __________________ I collect Juan Soto, Yordan Alvarez, and Marco Luciano. Looking for Yordan Alvarez /5 2020 Sterling Auto.

01-31-2022, 03:53 PM	#5
VandyCards Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 5,410	About what percentage of these are guys who were 2021 Draftees/Most recent J2? Not that they don’t qualify under the term, just wondering. The lack of Valera autos is different to me than the lack of Leiter autos, in some fashion. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ I collect cards of former Vanderbilt baseball players. CURRENTLY SEEKING ANY AND ALL SERIAL NUMBERERD/SP TONY KEMP TOPPS CARDS.

01-31-2022, 04:14 PM	#9
pskell02 Moderator Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 21,901 pskell02 pskell02	On a selfish Pirate fan level, I'm hoping for Hudson Head, Maikol Escotto, and Rodolfo Castro in addition to Frazier to get autos. Castro seems likely to have a TC RC auto before getting a chrome prospect card and/or auto, which kind of sucks. __________________ Click here to be notified when I post a new group break https://www.sportlots.com/dealers/?dealer=pskell02

01-31-2022, 08:09 PM	#13
Skipscards Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: In Tribute To The Great Ryno Posts: 29,845 jlankf2 jmp4	This list is obviously wrong. Vinnie Pasquantino is way too low. __________________ Go Royals!! #RoyalsIn2015 <---It Happened!! #TEAMZinck Sometimes it is astounding that we are able to persist in a world so full of morons.

01-31-2022, 02:10 PM	#4
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,393	My guess they'll have Leiter/House/Watson in bowman and Arias will be in bowman chrome.

01-31-2022, 04:06 PM	#6
gresh87 Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 981 greshcollects	Is Colson Montgomery not expected to have an auto in the next Bowman release? If so, huge bummer. He's a local kid. His HS team plays their home games at League Stadium - one of the fields used in "A League of Their Own". One of the other's being Bosse Field, which our team calls home!

01-31-2022, 06:45 PM	#12
BabaORiley Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: ATX Posts: 3,789	Really well done article. Seeing that Valera padparadscha makes me a little giddy, even knowing that I'll never see one in the wild.

01-31-2022, 09:53 PM	#15
jsatx Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Austin Posts: 431 jasum49	How far away was Ty Madden from making the P list?

02-01-2022, 10:49 PM	#18
RealDocStrange Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: East Bay, California Posts: 1,451 smsDolphins	Masyn Winn has to be top 50? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

02-02-2022, 12:58 AM	#21
Rastajo90 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 13	I'm glad Harris gets some love but I hope people keep sleeping when his auto does come out.

02-02-2022, 12:55 PM	#23
marterburn Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Milwaukee area Posts: 4,719 burnmax12 burnmax12	Guys I think I whiffed on not including Yerlin Confidan ... I would've had him in the 30's. Huge SwStr% issue (35%!), but can't argue with the results.