Should the NFL eliminate the Wild Card?

TheFrenzy · 01-13-2019, 08:16 PM

When Alabama and Clemson destroyed Oklahoma and Notre Dame, the popular opinion was that this represented an argument against expanding the college football playoffs

Yet since 2002, only 6 of the 136 NFL Wild Card teams have made it to the Super Bowl.

NFL has 32 teams and almost no one bats an eye when they allow nearly half their teams to compete in the postseason despite the serious lack of Wild Card successes. The NCAA has almost 130 teams and yet many are adamantly against the idea of having more than 4 teams compete in the postseason.

Is there a compelling argument that harmonizes these seemingly incongruent positions?

Noles939913 · 01-13-2019, 08:16 PM

No......

dfr52 · 01-13-2019, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Noles939913

No......

I agree

MeteoriteGuy · 01-13-2019, 08:22 PM

No, it is needed. Teams like the Chargers this year would have had three more wins then several playoff teams, and would be setting at home.

(Instead they acted like they were at home.)

TheFrenzy · 01-13-2019, 08:22 PM

*wonders if people are reading the post or just the title*

bdoody42 · 01-13-2019, 08:23 PM

Nope!

Cyphon25 · 01-13-2019, 08:25 PM

Nope I think it is fine the way it is and the rarity of a wild card team making a run is what makes it so special when it happens.

I am definitely against playoff expansion though which I know has been talked about here and there.

MFaulkCollector · 01-13-2019, 08:27 PM

since when is 12 nearly half of 32?

TheFrenzy · 01-13-2019, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

since when is 12 nearly half of 32?

38% of NFL teams makes the postseason compared to 3% of NCAA teams. That’s the point it’s conveying.

3124508 on COMC · 01-13-2019, 08:29 PM

6 of 136 teams is a misleading statistic, no? Even so, that seems good to me.

ETA: You can never have more than 2 wild card teams in the SB.

imbluestreak23 · 01-13-2019, 08:30 PM

Eli Manning votes no

MeteoriteGuy · 01-13-2019, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

38% of NFL teams makes the postseason compared to 3% of NCAA teams. That’s the point it’s conveying.

I think most understood what you were saying, we just don't see that a factor over are wild cards needed or a good thing.

Likewise, I don't care how CFL, Arena, Division II, or any other league does their postseason.

MFaulkCollector · 01-13-2019, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

38% of NFL teams makes the postseason compared to 3% of NCAA teams. That’s the point it’s conveying.

well...... when you look at the recruiting pool and the way players sign....... only a small number of teams are in play for the best players in college

in the NFL it's an even distribution based on your ability to evaluate talent..... that would stand to reason the level of play should be similar across the board

also...... in the NFL your top 2 seeds have bye rounds..... i bet you would see more lower seeds go further if you had 16 teams and nobody had a bye

also... in college those games are neutral field.... play the NFL games with 16 teams on a neutral field too....... the outcomes would be a lot different i think

everything is set up against the wild card..... so when you take "lesser" teams in terms of regular season performance; then tell them to go on the road 3 times against "better" teams... is it really a surprise they don't make the super bowl very often?

no10pin · 01-13-2019, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

When Alabama and Clemson destroyed Oklahoma and Notre Dame, the popular opinion was that this represented an argument against expanding the college football playoffs

Yet since 2002, only 6 of the 136 NFL Wild Card teams have made it to the Super Bowl.

NFL has 32 teams and almost no one bats an eye when they allow nearly half their teams to compete in the postseason despite the serious lack of Wild Card successes. The NCAA has almost 130 teams and yet many are adamantly against the idea of having more than 4 teams compete in the postseason.

Is there a compelling argument that harmonizes these seemingly incongruent positions?

6 of 136 is misleading.

Another way to look at it is that 1/3 of the time, a wild card team makes the Super Bowl. Why would you get rid of that?

EDIT: And now that I think about it, it's not possible. There haven't been 136 wild card teams in 17 years. There were already 4 divisions per conference by 2002, so that's 68 in 17 years.

deansayso · 01-13-2019, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

6 of 136 is misleading.

Another way to look at is is that 1/3 of the time, a wild card team makes the Super Bowl. Why would you get rid of that?

EDIT: And now that I think about it, it's not possible. There haven't been 136 wild card teams in 17 years. There were already 4 divisions by 2002, so that's 68 in 17 years.

Exactly

TimBuckTwo · 01-13-2019, 08:57 PM

No.

On any Sunday (or multiple Sundays).

Siberian13 · 01-13-2019, 08:59 PM

corndog · 01-13-2019, 09:24 PM

Yo. ..........

TheFrenzy · 01-13-2019, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

EDIT: And now that I think about it, it's not possible. There haven't been 136 wild card teams in 17 years. There were already 4 divisions per conference by 2002, so that's 68 in 17 years.

8 teams per season play in the Wild Card round of the playoffs.

8 x 17 = 136.

Only 6 of the 136 teams that have participated in the Wild Card round since 2002 have made it to the Super Bowl.

TheFrenzy · 01-13-2019, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

And they never make themselves hard to identify.

TheFrenzy · 01-13-2019, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

everything is set up against the wild card..... so when you take "lesser" teams in terms of regular season performance; then tell them to go on the road 3 times against "better" teams... is it really a surprise they don't make the super bowl very often?

That just begs the question then of why have playoffs set up "against" teams?

And to tie it back to the original question, if fans of football are ok with having playoffs broad enough to include essentially fodder teams, then why do so many have a problem with the idea of expanding the college playoffs.

This thread isn't to argue for or against anything, only to try to parse out the reasoning behind supporting statistically irrelevant playoff rounds in the NFL and opposing similar inclusions on the college level.

RogerGodahell · 01-13-2019, 09:39 PM

Too much money involved they'll never downsize. If anything they'll add more teams. I personally like the current format with wildcard weekend.

3124508 on COMC · 01-13-2019, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

8 teams per season play in the Wild Card round of the playoffs.

8 x 17 = 136.

Only 6 of the 136 teams that have participated in the Wild Card round since 2002 have made it to the Super Bowl.

You work in the current Administration by chance?

Siberian13 · 01-13-2019, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

And they never make themselves hard to identify.

It was a great question you asked though

jarrodsalas · 01-13-2019, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

8 teams per season play in the Wild Card round of the playoffs.

8 x 17 = 136.

Only 6 of the 136 teams that have participated in the Wild Card round since 2002 have made it to the Super Bowl.

Eliminating the wild card teams or the wild card round would be two different things.

01-13-2019, 08:16 PM	#1
TheFrenzy Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Texan in AZ Posts: 44,115	Should the NFL eliminate the Wild Card? When Alabama and Clemson destroyed Oklahoma and Notre Dame, the popular opinion was that this represented an argument against expanding the college football playoffs Yet since 2002, only 6 of the 136 NFL Wild Card teams have made it to the Super Bowl. NFL has 32 teams and almost no one bats an eye when they allow nearly half their teams to compete in the postseason despite the serious lack of Wild Card successes. The NCAA has almost 130 teams and yet many are adamantly against the idea of having more than 4 teams compete in the postseason. Is there a compelling argument that harmonizes these seemingly incongruent positions?

01-13-2019, 08:22 PM	#4
MeteoriteGuy Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Wichita, Kansas Posts: 4,827 MarkBostick	No, it is needed. Teams like the Chargers this year would have had three more wins then several playoff teams, and would be setting at home. (Instead they acted like they were at home.) __________________ Always looking for low numbered Tony Gonzalez cards.

01-13-2019, 08:23 PM	#6
bdoody42 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: MD Posts: 8,346 Mainecards42 bdoody42	Nope! __________________ Looking for Celtic on card autos and Paul Pierce cards. IG-marylandcards42

01-13-2019, 08:25 PM	#7
Cyphon25 Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,751	Nope I think it is fine the way it is and the rarity of a wild card team making a run is what makes it so special when it happens. I am definitely against playoff expansion though which I know has been talked about here and there. __________________ http://s577.photobucket.com/user/Cyphon25/library/?sort=3&page=0

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imbluestreak23 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Meandering the matrix code that the hobby/forum overlords spit out Posts: 17,791 shortslabs	Eli Manning votes no __________________ @shortslabs I'VE WITNESSED HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE...IT'S ROTTEN https://www.youtube.com/c/TylerShort

01-13-2019, 08:16 PM	#2
Noles939913 Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 7,040	No......

01-13-2019, 08:27 PM	#8
MFaulkCollector Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 5,995	since when is 12 nearly half of 32?

01-13-2019, 08:29 PM	#10
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,400	6 of 136 teams is a misleading statistic, no? Even so, that seems good to me. ETA: You can never have more than 2 wild card teams in the SB.

01-13-2019, 08:57 PM	#16
TimBuckTwo Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10,132	No. On any Sunday (or multiple Sundays).

01-13-2019, 08:59 PM	#17
Siberian13 Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 78,206 shiller13

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corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,112	Yo. .......... __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

01-13-2019, 09:39 PM	#22
RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	Too much money involved they'll never downsize. If anything they'll add more teams. I personally like the current format with wildcard weekend.