PSA Value vs CGC Value

[wharfrat7624]

I’m curious what everyone’s opinion on the following:

Where would a refractor CGC 10 equate to in a PSA slab?

PSA 10
PSA 9
PSA 8
Lower?

Thanks!


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[ThoseBackPages]

regular CGC 10? i would say PSA 9

CGC 10 Pristine? i would say PSA 10

[discodanman45]

A CGC 10 would fall somewhere between a PSA 9 and 10 in value. For most ultra-modern cards, a PSA 9 is at raw value or sometimes below. So a CGC 10 should hold more value than a raw card. CGC does have a small registry, so that helps as well.

[wharfrat7624]

Thanks guys!


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[atk825]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

A CGC 10 would fall somewhere between a PSA 9 and 10 in value. For most ultra-modern cards, a PSA 9 is at raw value or sometimes below. So a CGC 10 should hold more value than a raw card. CGC does have a small registry, so that helps as well.

It's really quite amazing just how undervalued PSA 9s are.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by atk825

It's really quite amazing just how undervalued PSA 9s are.

Really? I think they’re appropriately valued, unless it’s a rare card. If we’re talking about a more common ultra modern card, I would much rather find a cheaper raw that looks good to the eye and send it to PSA myself. The odds of getting a 9 are high, with the chance of a 10. I have no issue with 9’s, but there’s no reason to pay a premium for an ultra modern 9, unless it’s a very hard to find card, or very condition sensitive.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Really? I think they’re appropriately valued, unless it’s a rare card. If we’re talking about a more common ultra modern card, I would much rather find a cheaper raw that looks good to the eye and send it to PSA myself. The odds of getting a 9 are high, with the chance of a 10. I have no issue with 9’s, but there’s no reason to pay a premium for an ultra modern 9, unless it’s a very hard to find card, or very condition sensitive.

I didn’t mind the fine 9 discount on this




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[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by atk825

It's really quite amazing just how undervalued PSA 9s are.

I don't think PSA 9's are undervalued as much as PSA 10's are overvalued. However, PSA 9's are great for collectors. You get a card that most likely won't have a crease or surface damage.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by pewe

I didn’t mind the fine 9 discount on this




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Great example of where a 9 doesn’t matter. I would not call that card “common” by any stretch and would happily take a 9.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Really? I think they’re appropriately valued, unless it’s a rare card. If we’re talking about a more common ultra modern card, I would much rather find a cheaper raw that looks good to the eye and send it to PSA myself. The odds of getting a 9 are high, with the chance of a 10. I have no issue with 9’s, but there’s no reason to pay a premium for an ultra modern 9, unless it’s a very hard to find card, or very condition sensitive.

Here's the thing. I see people all the time saying they want say, a 2018 Sepia Ohtani, just as an example.

Just very quickly finding the last comps (so these comps can just be outliers) but the last raw went for $280 while the last PSA 9 went for $154. At this point in time, any card of this raw should be highly questionable, given just how common it is for this card to be graded. And the fact is, you are much more likely to get a PSA 10 cracking and submitting a PSA 9 than you are buying raw at this point.

For what a PSA 9 is, which is basically a gem mint card with perhaps a minor flaw, they go for much lower than they should.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

I don't think PSA 9's are undervalued as much as PSA 10's are overvalued. However, PSA 9's are great for collectors. You get a card that most likely won't have a crease or surface damage.

I think this is right. There's certainly a lot of pretty gem minit looking cards sitting in PSA 9 slabs.

[ThoseBackPages]

love 9s!

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by atk825

Just very quickly finding the last comps (so these comps can just be outliers) but the last raw went for $280 while the last PSA 9 went for $154. At this point in time, any card of this raw should be highly questionable, given just how common it is for this card to be graded. And the fact is, you are much more likely to get a PSA 10 cracking and submitting a PSA 9 than you are buying raw at this point.

If you're buying a chrome card, a raw card is far more likely to be untouched than something in a PSA 9 holder. With how ubiqutious those card cleaning services are and the "polish" that's widespread and not considered alterting by most of the hobby(except Blowout), there's a solid chance any chrome card in PSA holder was worked on with chemicals that could degrade the card years from now

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by BBases31

If you're buying a chrome card, a raw card is far more likely to be untouched than something in a PSA 9 holder. With how ubiqutious those card cleaning services are and the "polish" that's widespread and not considered alterting by most of the hobby(except Blowout), there's a solid chance any chrome card in PSA holder was worked on with chemicals that could degrade the card years from now

Considering past problems with Chromium cards degrading and changing color on their own - even turning green - what you say here does not portend well for the future.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by atk825

Here's the thing. I see people all the time saying they want say, a 2018 Sepia Ohtani, just as an example.

Just very quickly finding the last comps (so these comps can just be outliers) but the last raw went for $280 while the last PSA 9 went for $154. At this point in time, any card of this raw should be highly questionable, given just how common it is for this card to be graded. And the fact is, you are much more likely to get a PSA 10 cracking and submitting a PSA 9 than you are buying raw at this point.

For what a PSA 9 is, which is basically a gem mint card with perhaps a minor flaw, they go for much lower than they should.

I hear ya… but for a Sepia (which I don’t consider too rare) I would be tempted to roll the dice with a raw that looked like it could gem rather than one I know PSA saw already and gave a 9.

[bsavidge83]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

I don't think PSA 9's are undervalued as much as PSA 10's are overvalued. However, PSA 9's are great for collectors. You get a card that most likely won't have a crease or surface damage.

I don't know... I think it's the 9's that are undervalued. There are countless examples (like the Ohtani Sepia) where the 9 sells for under raw. At minimum it should be equal value but probably closer to like 10-20% over raw. It's been reviewed, authenticated, slabbed for life, and as mentioned a great option for 'collectors.' Now, for modern, 8's are where we should start seeing graded prices dip below raw. My two cents.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by bsavidge83

I don't know... I think it's the 9's that are undervalued. There are countless examples (like the Ohtani Sepia) where the 9 sells for under raw. At minimum it should be equal value but probably closer to like 10-20% over raw. It's been reviewed, authenticated, slabbed for life, and as mentioned a great option for 'collectors.' Now, for modern, 8's are where we should start seeing graded prices dip below raw. My two cents.

Having cracked a bunch of 9s and have them come back 10s, there's just so many basically flawless cards in a PSA 9 slab. Without a 9.5 grade, PSA really lacks a way to define cards that look basically flawless but if you look hard enough (which most graders don't do) you can find a flaw.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by bsavidge83

I don't know... I think it's the 9's that are undervalued. There are countless examples (like the Ohtani Sepia) where the 9 sells for under raw. At minimum it should be equal value but probably closer to like 10-20% over raw. It's been reviewed, authenticated, slabbed for life, and as mentioned a great option for 'collectors.' Now, for modern, 8's are where we should start seeing graded prices dip below raw. My two cents.

To me that is less an indication the 9 is undervalued, as the raw is overvalued. People overvalue raw cards because they think there's a chance at a 10. Both 10s and raw are overvalued for ultra modern, and 9s are appropriately valued.

[ThoseBackPages]

thats why 9s are the best

[bsavidge83]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

To me that is less an indication the 9 is undervalued, as the raw is overvalued. People overvalue raw cards because they think there's a chance at a 10. Both 10s and raw are overvalued for ultra modern, and 9s are appropriately valued.

I'm on board with this. Either way it's either the raw or the 9. Good comment!

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

To me that is less an indication the 9 is undervalued, as the raw is overvalued. People overvalue raw cards because they think there's a chance at a 10. Both 10s and raw are overvalued for ultra modern, and 9s are appropriately valued.

This tracks.

[RedLabelRecords]

I have mostly psa 9’s in my collection. They look just as good as a 10, I don’t care what anyone says.

[vwnut13]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

However, PSA 9's are great for collectors. You get a card that most likely won't have a crease or surface damage.

Yikes.

[amolina]

I just submitted a PSA 10 that I took out of the case, and sent it to CGC Signature Series. I hope Thosebackpages is correct in their assessment and I get back a CGC 10 Pristine grade. Fingers crossed!

[ThoseBackPages]

WOOT WOOT!!