Difference between Flawless and National Treasures

icollectrookies · 03-24-2020, 07:41 PM

Hello, I was looking in the forum in old post but I could not find a lot on this topic. Several people mention this but I would like to expand if possible. Since I am your average collector and not your high end collector I am not too familiar why. My question is, why National Treasures is generally more popular (Expensive RPA to 99) than Flawless? Looking at the 2018-19 cards, Flawless has the only Game Worn Patches with shorter prints vs NT. Also another difference is vertical cards vs horizontal cards, I noticed vertical are obviously more popular, but this is just personal preference.
I am now collecting Trae Young cards, and noticed this after looking on ebay that his NT highest sale was a best offer accepted under $50k vs his highest Flawless best offer accepted under $20k. Why are the prices so unbalanced and different?
If this was already discussed sorry. If you are going to just criticize that I am asking this again save your time and do not post anything then and go to another post.
Thanks

ballhawkdawk · 03-24-2020, 08:18 PM

National Treasures came first. It also continued the legacy of the /99 vertical RPA from Exquisite. That’s consider “the” RPA, so it commands a premium over lower print run cards, and even cards with actual game worn jersey pieces like Flawless.

icollectrookies · 03-24-2020, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

National Treasures came first. It also continued the legacy of the /99 vertical RPA from Exquisite. That’s consider “the” RPA, so it commands a premium over lower print run cards, and even cards with actual game worn jersey pieces like Flawless.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. Is interesting to know. 👍🏻

Gem10collection · 03-24-2020, 09:54 PM

Until recently I don't think Flawless had the RC logo/stamp on their cards where as NT did. Starting this year, with the RC logo/stamp being put on Flawless I think prices will be similar to NT, especially for the low print run stuff.

Can you imagine what a game used patch and on card auto of Zion gold /10 in Flawless will go for this year?

icollectrookies · 03-24-2020, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Gem10collection

Until recently I don't think Flawless had the RC logo/stamp on their cards where as NT did. Starting this year, with the RC logo/stamp being put on Flawless I think prices will be similar to NT, especially for the low print run stuff.

Can you imagine what a game used patch and on card auto of Zion gold /10 in Flawless will go for this year?

Yes, but the only bad part is that the Game Use patch of Flawless does not have the RC logo, only verticals none patch.

Tarheelsfan2012 · 03-24-2020, 10:27 PM

NT is always "king" when it comes to the RPA since Panini took over basketball, it took the torch from Exquisite. Flawless has never been about the RPA, instead the true rookie in it has always been the base diamond /20(think one year it was /25). In regards to vertical or horizontal or just depends on the product, set and patch size.

icollectrookies · 03-24-2020, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarheelsfan2012

NT is always "king" when it comes to the RPA since Panini took over basketball, it took the torch from Exquisite. Flawless has never been about the RPA, instead the true rookie in it has always been the base diamond /20(think one year it was /25). In regards to vertical or horizontal or just depends on the product, set and patch size.

ok, so I guess people just prefer having the vertical NT RPA with just the ''player-worn material'' with the RC logo than the ''game-worn'' of Flawless horizontal with no RC logo?

Tarheelsfan2012 · 03-24-2020, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by icollectrookies

ok, so I guess people just prefer having the vertical NT RPA with just the ''player-worn material'' with the RC logo than the ''game-worn'' of Flawless horizontal with no RC logo?

Correct. It's not to knock the Flawless cards but they aren't as big a chase as the NT RPA. NT has a much larger checklist with the RPA's too, while Flawless only has a handful of rookies.

icollectrookies · 03-25-2020, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tarheelsfan2012

Correct. It's not to knock the Flawless cards but they aren't as big a chase as the NT RPA. NT has a much larger checklist with the RPA's too, while Flawless only has a handful of rookies.

Cool to know. Thanks

03-24-2020, 07:41 PM	#1
icollectrookies Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 217	Difference between Flawless and National Treasures Hello, I was looking in the forum in old post but I could not find a lot on this topic. Several people mention this but I would like to expand if possible. Since I am your average collector and not your high end collector I am not too familiar why. My question is, why National Treasures is generally more popular (Expensive RPA to 99) than Flawless? Looking at the 2018-19 cards, Flawless has the only Game Worn Patches with shorter prints vs NT. Also another difference is vertical cards vs horizontal cards, I noticed vertical are obviously more popular, but this is just personal preference. I am now collecting Trae Young cards, and noticed this after looking on ebay that his NT highest sale was a best offer accepted under $50k vs his highest Flawless best offer accepted under $20k. Why are the prices so unbalanced and different? If this was already discussed sorry. If you are going to just criticize that I am asking this again save your time and do not post anything then and go to another post. Thanks __________________ ''I want you to know that this isn't luck. I have trained for hours every single day. I have transformed my body and honed every aspect of my game, All for this moment - My moment.'' TRAE YOUNG I collect/ buying Trae Young Rookie Cards. Last edited by icollectrookies; 03-24-2020 at 07:54 PM.

03-24-2020, 10:27 PM	#6
Tarheelsfan2012 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,421 tarheelsfan2012	NT is always "king" when it comes to the RPA since Panini took over basketball, it took the torch from Exquisite. Flawless has never been about the RPA, instead the true rookie in it has always been the base diamond /20(think one year it was /25). In regards to vertical or horizontal or just depends on the product, set and patch size. __________________ Current Filling BO GB's-TBD http://sportscardalbum.com/u/jdetter23

03-24-2020, 08:18 PM	#2
ballhawkdawk Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 7,485	National Treasures came first. It also continued the legacy of the /99 vertical RPA from Exquisite. That’s consider “the” RPA, so it commands a premium over lower print run cards, and even cards with actual game worn jersey pieces like Flawless.

03-24-2020, 09:54 PM	#4
Gem10collection Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Posts: 789	Until recently I don't think Flawless had the RC logo/stamp on their cards where as NT did. Starting this year, with the RC logo/stamp being put on Flawless I think prices will be similar to NT, especially for the low print run stuff. Can you imagine what a game used patch and on card auto of Zion gold /10 in Flawless will go for this year?