First year I have totally forgotten about Flawless release date - Anyone else?

WaiverWire · 11-17-2017, 11:25 AM

I was a big fan of Flawless it's first year, but this year I have totally forgotten about it's release (and I didn't even realize today was the release date). Anyone else feel the same way? In large but, I have moved on to the 2017-18 releases and new rookie class. Has anyone else completely forgotten about Flawless as a product? Just wondering.

Side note (just for fun): what do you think is the best way to identify a PBM on the basketball forums? What are the best tells and indicators?

benz35 · 11-17-2017, 11:27 AM

cant miss for a chance of a ben simmons flawless base....

chris_ac · 11-17-2017, 11:29 AM

While the lure and draw of the 17/18 class is strong, forgetting Flawless is maybe more about do you collect regularly or more in the Pre-Panini era. If you collect a current player or team with the exception of the new rooks, a release such as Flawless should be on your mind. I know the design is becoming wary, but not forgettable.

smalltown · 11-17-2017, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by WaiverWire

I was a big fan of Flawless it's first year, but this year I have totally forgotten about it's release (and I didn't even realize today was the release date). Anyone else feel the same way? In large but, I have moved on to the 2017-18 releases and new rookie class. Has anyone else completely forgotten about Flawless as a product? Just wondering.

Didn't forget. But don't really care. Not spending big money when everything will be cheap on ebay in hours. Completly moved on from 16-17 before immaculate even dropped.

lisu · 11-17-2017, 12:05 PM

Someone asked me why I wasn't buying Flawless this year. My response - I don't like to lose money, and Flawless is one of those products where it's definitely for gamblers but even the high isn't as high as say NT. NT consistently sells higher.

I just saw the preview that Panini put up. Rough.

Siberian13 · 11-17-2017, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WaiverWire

I was a big fan of Flawless it's first year, but this year I have totally forgotten about it's release (and I didn't even realize today was the release date). Anyone else feel the same way? In large but, I have moved on to the 2017-18 releases and new rookie class. Has anyone else completely forgotten about Flawless as a product? Just wondering.

Side note (just for fun): what do you think is the best way to identify a PBM on the basketball forums? What are the best tells and indicators?

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COMCMax · 11-17-2017, 12:53 PM

I forgot. I thought everything being listed was still from FOTL until about 8 minutes ago.

Hallco · 11-17-2017, 01:01 PM

Panini still does Flawless?

Do they still put a diamond in them?

zinger1038 · 11-17-2017, 02:02 PM

Was going to move on to the 17-18 "stacked" draft class, but then Prizm FOTL is asking for 400/box, and I'm out at that price. Prizm is great fun, but good luck pulling a Lonzo/Tatum gold to make your $ back at that price.

Ben Simmons, Brandon Ingram, Jaylen Brown, Jamal Murray from the "weak" 16-17 class will crush this overhyped 17-18 class.

Flawless isn't a rookie product though.

kukocitb · 11-17-2017, 02:07 PM

I think when it comes to flawless it is all about money. Yeah you get rare cards but every box has rare cards. I am sure there are some that never reach the market. The ones that do you have to have big money to buy the cards you need. As a player PCer it is more about the hunt. using contacts to locate people and collections. I am not against flawless I just don't see something as rare when the whole box is rare cards.

dasiegel · 11-17-2017, 03:35 PM

What I have noticed is that Flawless and to an even bigger extent Immaculate, once Panini darling products, have such bad ROI people don't care. People who want to bust boxes can't even get them at normal prices. LCS can't get them, so they all go to the wholesalers for absurd prices or breakers. Therefore most normal people who like high end are like, yea you bust those cases and I'll just pick up what I want in a few weeks when everything drops.

Add to that the fact that Simmons is the only real monster pull and there you have it, lack of excitement.

11-17-2017, 11:25 AM	#1
WaiverWire Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 2,935	First year I have totally forgotten about Flawless release date - Anyone else? I was a big fan of Flawless it's first year, but this year I have totally forgotten about it's release (and I didn't even realize today was the release date). Anyone else feel the same way? In large but, I have moved on to the 2017-18 releases and new rookie class. Has anyone else completely forgotten about Flawless as a product? Just wondering. Side note (just for fun): what do you think is the best way to identify a PBM on the basketball forums? What are the best tells and indicators?

11-17-2017, 11:29 AM	#3
chris_ac Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,267	While the lure and draw of the 17/18 class is strong, forgetting Flawless is maybe more about do you collect regularly or more in the Pre-Panini era. If you collect a current player or team with the exception of the new rooks, a release such as Flawless should be on your mind. I know the design is becoming wary, but not forgettable. __________________ PC (NFS/NFT): Anze Kopitar/Justin Jefferson/Victor Wembanyama IG: playerclector

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kukocitb Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,669 Kukocitb515 Kukocitb	I think when it comes to flawless it is all about money. Yeah you get rare cards but every box has rare cards. I am sure there are some that never reach the market. The ones that do you have to have big money to buy the cards you need. As a player PCer it is more about the hunt. using contacts to locate people and collections. I am not against flawless I just don't see something as rare when the whole box is rare cards. __________________ "You're THE Kukoc guy" Abra Calabro "Kukocitb is the GOAT??? I knew that..." Dajuan Wagner Kukoc COUNTER: 1448 different!!!!! Robin Lopez Counter 691 different!

11-17-2017, 03:35 PM	#11
dasiegel Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 27,556	What I have noticed is that Flawless and to an even bigger extent Immaculate, once Panini darling products, have such bad ROI people don't care. People who want to bust boxes can't even get them at normal prices. LCS can't get them, so they all go to the wholesalers for absurd prices or breakers. Therefore most normal people who like high end are like, yea you bust those cases and I'll just pick up what I want in a few weeks when everything drops. Add to that the fact that Simmons is the only real monster pull and there you have it, lack of excitement. __________________ Board man. Board man gets paid.

11-17-2017, 11:27 AM	#2
benz35 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,854	cant miss for a chance of a ben simmons flawless base....

11-17-2017, 12:05 PM	#5
lisu Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 4,920 lisu lisu	Someone asked me why I wasn't buying Flawless this year. My response - I don't like to lose money, and Flawless is one of those products where it's definitely for gamblers but even the high isn't as high as say NT. NT consistently sells higher. I just saw the preview that Panini put up. Rough.

11-17-2017, 12:53 PM	#7
COMCMax Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 8,912 Maximoose	I forgot. I thought everything being listed was still from FOTL until about 8 minutes ago.

11-17-2017, 01:01 PM	#8
Hallco Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 7,770 hallco	Panini still does Flawless? Do they still put a diamond in them?

11-17-2017, 02:02 PM	#9
zinger1038 Banned - PBM Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 504	Was going to move on to the 17-18 "stacked" draft class, but then Prizm FOTL is asking for 400/box, and I'm out at that price. Prizm is great fun, but good luck pulling a Lonzo/Tatum gold to make your $ back at that price. Ben Simmons, Brandon Ingram, Jaylen Brown, Jamal Murray from the "weak" 16-17 class will crush this overhyped 17-18 class. Flawless isn't a rookie product though.