If you corner the market will it raise value?

[dashcol]

I know set collecting is not a big side of collecting anymore, but I was thinking if something could be true to happen.

If a person was able to obtain all, or most copies of a card, would that card then become more valuable?

I am not talking about getting all 5 copies of a red, those are already carrying a premium.

Flagship Gold sets are still collectible, and I know a few clectors who put the set together every year.

Some cards can be had for pennies, so if let’s say you get 90 percent of the run of a base gold card from 2025 at even $1 each, that would be $1,825. Would that card then rise in value as there are only 200 full sets available outside of your control? Gold set collectors would then have to go to you to be able to complete their sets.

This would be an impossible task to undertake, but could be fun to just grab every 2025 Topps #111 Randy Arozarena for example. No one is seeking that card unless they are a fan, or trying to complete the set. Would this turn from a worthless card to a very valuable card?

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

You would definitely see a short term spike, but if the demand isn’t genuine, hoarding won’t magically make the card more valuable.

You can (in theory) control the supply, but you can’t control the demand.

[ThoseBackPages]

there was that dude that bought up all the 2001 BC Davenport Autos, right?

[glen87]

Originally Posted by dashcol

I know set collecting is not a big side of collecting anymore, but I was thinking if something could be true to happen.

If a person was able to obtain all, or most copies of a card, would that card then become more valuable?

I am not talking about getting all 5 copies of a red, those are already carrying a premium.

Flagship Gold sets are still collectible, and I know a few clectors who put the set together every year.

Some cards can be had for pennies, so if let’s say you get 90 percent of the run of a base gold card from 2025 at even $1 each, that would be $1,825. Would that card then rise in value as there are only 200 full sets available outside of your control? Gold set collectors would then have to go to you to be able to complete their sets.

This would be an impossible task to undertake, but could be fun to just grab every 2025 Topps #111 Randy Arozarena for example. No one is seeking that card unless they are a fan, or trying to complete the set. Would this turn from a worthless card to a very valuable card?

not always - no....

a few years ago, bought 4 of 5 bowman sterling autos, sold one on here and still have the other 3.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by dashcol

I know set collecting is not a big side of collecting anymore, but I was thinking if something could be true to happen.

If a person was able to obtain all, or most copies of a card, would that card then become more valuable?

I am not talking about getting all 5 copies of a red, those are already carrying a premium.

Flagship Gold sets are still collectible, and I know a few clectors who put the set together every year.

Some cards can be had for pennies, so if let’s say you get 90 percent of the run of a base gold card from 2025 at even $1 each, that would be $1,825. Would that card then rise in value as there are only 200 full sets available outside of your control? Gold set collectors would then have to go to you to be able to complete their sets.

This would be an impossible task to undertake, but could be fun to just grab every 2025 Topps #111 Randy Arozarena for example. No one is seeking that card unless they are a fan, or trying to complete the set. Would this turn from a worthless card to a very valuable card?

There has to be a demand for whatever you are attempting to corner. There also has to be no other reasonable alternative. Something like true reds or golds which probably have more demand than supply, you probably have to pay the delta above market in order to corner that card anyhow.

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

You would definitely see a short term spike, but if the demand isn’t genuine, hoarding won’t magically make the card more valuable.

You can (in theory) control the supply, but you can’t control the demand.

That makes sense.

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

there was that dude that bought up all the 2001 BC Davenport Autos, right?

This has potential to cause a lot of market manipulation.

Think of like 2009. Trout was refractor only, and not hugely touted. IIRC, his refractor autos were $20-30 on release. So hoarding all available copies would have cornered the market.

If someone were to take a little known prospect from 2025 BC and buy all that become available, will speculators start thinking that they are missing something and start overpaying just to be part of it?

I guess that would be the definition of FOMO, and you could be left holding every Davenport BC auto.

[glen87]

Originally Posted by atk825

There has to be a demand for whatever you are attempting to corner. There also has to be no other reasonable alternative. Something like true reds or golds which probably have more demand than supply, you probably have to pay the delta above market in order to corner that card anyhow.

this....in my case, the one person collecting the guy i had purchased one, and that was it

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by glen87

not always - no....

a few years ago, bought 4 of 5 bowman sterling autos, sold one on here and still have the other 3.

But Sterling autos aren’t a collectible set, so if the player doesn’t take off, then they will never be sought after.

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by atk825

There has to be a demand for whatever you are attempting to corner. There also has to be no other reasonable alternative. Something like true reds or golds which probably have more demand than supply, you probably have to pay the delta above market in order to corner that card anyhow.

That was the point of choosing the flagship gold set. Probably still the most collectable set out there.

[dodgerfanjohn]

So....

I don't think so, at least not in the long term. But it does happen and depending on demand, prices can spike.

I searched forever for a 2012 Archives In Action John Kruk. Its a common card with no apparent rhyme or reason why its so hard to find. It released right when I got back into collecting and I didnt target any of this set until the following year when I got a rack box dirt cheap. I can only assume someone was buying them up like mad. To date, they surface so infrequently that I thought they don't exist. But they do.

2022 Archives Snapshot picture day Dale Murphy - This one is just plain dumb, Its a $1 card at best. Not even rare. At release I remember they kept going for $4-5 to the same buyer and then dried up and started going up in price to the same buyer. Whatever. I have it in my ebay searches and occasionally look on comc. If I get it great, if not, oh well. To the best of my knowledge, none have sold for $15+ but the ones that get listed all list at that price.

1993 Finest - Some dude with serious OCD/autism issues bought up tons of the refractors and openly boasted about creating recognized short prints. This did in fact drive up prices due to the stature of the refractors in the hobby. Welp, he croaked, family sold off the cards all at once, prices collapsed.

Vintage - Theres a number of base cards that are just a PITA. Some of it is due to condition issues, some of it...who knows, but I suspect hoarding. This is prevalent throughout the 50's and 60's sets.

I will note that in context, you can't take this stuff with you. It makes little sense to be driven batty by a common card thats difficult to find. Collecting hundreds or thousands of the same card? I don't get it....

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by dashcol

If someone were to take a little known prospect from 2025 BC and buy all that become available, will speculators start thinking that they are missing something and start overpaying just to be part of it?

I don't think there are many speculators that are doing their speculating based on number of Ebay listings.

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

So....

I don't think so, at least not in the long term. But it does happen and depending on demand, prices can spike.

I searched forever for a 2012 Archives In Action John Kruk. Its a common card with no apparent rhyme or reason why its so hard to find. It released right when I got back into collecting and I didnt target any of this set until the following year when I got a rack box dirt cheap. I can only assume someone was buying them up like mad. To date, they surface so infrequently that I thought they don't exist. But they do.

2022 Archives Snapshot picture day Dale Murphy - This one is just plain dumb, Its a $1 card at best. Not even rare. At release I remember they kept going for $4-5 to the same buyer and then dried up and started going up in price to the same buyer. Whatever. I have it in my ebay searches and occasionally look on comc. If I get it great, if not, oh well. To the best of my knowledge, none have sold for $15+ but the ones that get listed all list at that price.

1993 Finest - Some dude with serious OCD/autism issues bought up tons of the refractors and openly boasted about creating recognized short prints. This did in fact drive up prices due to the stature of the refractors in the hobby. Welp, he croaked, family sold off the cards all at once, prices collapsed.

Vintage - Theres a number of base cards that are just a PITA. Some of it is due to condition issues, some of it...who knows, but I suspect hoarding. This is prevalent throughout the 50's and 60's sets.

I will note that in context, you can't take this stuff with you. It makes little sense to be driven batty by a common card thats difficult to find. Collecting hundreds or thousands of the same card? I don't get it....

Thanks for this, I never knew the refractor story. Very interesting.it is intriguing that he created recognized short prints in his own.

I think for me, there is an interest in doing something like this. It would be the OCD side of me that wants to do it, not so much to raise the value of a worthless card, it would just be neat to me, to be able to say I have 2025 or 2025 of some random card. They mean nothing, and no, I can’t take them with me. It would be a cool side venture to life to just always buy the same card for no reason other than wanting them all.

As a kid of the 80s, this would have never been possible. In today’s day and age though, the internet has made it plausible to do, it would just take a long time.

In regards to the value plummeting after your death and the family sells it off, who cares? It was still something that was accomplished, and you are gone, does it matter?

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by whitmm

I don't think there are many speculators that are doing their speculating based on number of Ebay listings.

You do t think? How many times do we see it here? People ask, who are the best cards to go after in this set? Who are the most underrated prospects? There are so many people in this hobby for the money, and know nothing of the game or the hobby. Those are the people who would buy because eBay comps are going up. Educated collectors or investors will not.

I did not pose this question as a money making scheme, I posed it to see if it would influence market. I think dodgerfanjohn answered that with the 93 refractors story he shared.

[Boredlawyer]

Try it and report back with your findings

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by dashcol

Thanks for this, I never knew the refractor story. Very interesting.it is intriguing that he created recognized short prints in his own.

I think for me, there is an interest in doing something like this. It would be the OCD side of me that wants to do it, not so much to raise the value of a worthless card, it would just be neat to me, to be able to say I have 2025 or 2025 of some random card. They mean nothing, and no, I can’t take them with me. It would be a cool side venture to life to just always buy the same card for no reason other than wanting them all.

As a kid of the 80s, this would have never been possible. In today’s day and age though, the internet has made it plausible to do, it would just take a long time.

In regards to the value plummeting after your death and the family sells it off, who cares? It was still something that was accomplished, and you are gone, does it matter?

Thanks for the explanation. I still don't get it But thats ok, we all do our own thing.

Heres a couple old thread, one from the psa forums from the owner of all those finest refractors. I think the way he talked about his collection was really off putting to me. My quirk I guess.

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...-refractors/p1

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1266840&page=2

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

Try it and report back with your findings

lol! Thanks!

If I do this, it will solely be a collection endeavor. I would pick a card of my favorite player, and buy all I can. That way, I at least have thousands of copies of a card of my favorite player.

[SaveMeTheGum]

NeedChapmans tried it with Oscar Taveras. And Jose Fernandez. It can go really bad...

[livfreely]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

You would definitely see a short term spike, but if the demand isn’t genuine, hoarding won’t magically make the card more valuable.

You can (in theory) control the supply, but you can’t control the demand.

^^^ This in regards to demand ^^^

Chooose wisely


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[whitmm]

Originally Posted by dashcol

You do t think? How many times do we see it here? People ask, who are the best cards to go after in this set? Who are the most underrated prospects? There are so many people in this hobby for the money, and know nothing of the game or the hobby. Those are the people who would buy because eBay comps are going up. Educated collectors or investors will not.

I did not pose this question as a money making scheme, I posed it to see if it would influence market. I think dodgerfanjohn answered that with the 93 refractors story he shared.

Yeah, they come here asking, not run out to ebay and think a guy must be "hot" because he only has 5 listings and some other guy has 100 listings.

Like bored said, go ahead and try it and report back. Like John pointed out with the Murphy card, you'll find you'll be driving the price up on yourself more than anything.

[no10pin]

This was a thing with eTopps back in the day. People would try to corner the market on a card because every transaction was trackable in one place, so you could get 'proof' of ownership % of a particular card. The lower print # stuff carried a huge premium, and seeing a large percentage owned by one person would enhance the value.

One or two people trying to hoard every card would certainly drive the price up, but there's not really a way to get out from under them without torpedoing the market for the card. Easy to pump, not so easy to dump.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

A while back, someone bought most of the 2016 Dylan Carlson 1st Bowman paper #/499’s.

These can now be had for ~$5. He didn’t choose wisely.

https://ebay.us/m/Uh75Cd

[hermanotarjeta]

For limited serial-numbered sets, it certainly could happen.

Pmg prices went crazy because of that.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

A while back, someone bought most of the 2016 Dylan Carlson 1st Bowman paper #/499’s.

These can now be had for ~$5. He didn’t choose wisely.

https://ebay.us/m/Uh75Cd

Or for $1 on COMC...

[JRX]

Didn't someone do this with Trout's second year card?

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

Thanks for the explanation. I still don't get it But thats ok, we all do our own thing.

Heres a couple old thread, one from the psa forums from the owner of all those finest refractors. I think the way he talked about his collection was really off putting to me. My quirk I guess.

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...-refractors/p1

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1266840&page=2

Agreed, we all collect in the way that is fun for us.

I will read these threads you gave just to get a better understanding. Thank you.