Tua Tagovailoa

brothertona · 01-04-2021, 11:03 AM

There is talk the Dolphins may take a QB? This seems absolutely crazy....... I'd definitely trade down with the Dolphins if I was the Falcons for the 18th and a 2nd rounder.

HeadstrongRSS · 01-04-2021, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

There is talk the Dolphins may take a QB? This seems absolutely crazy....... I'd definitely trade down with the Dolphins if I was the Falcons for the 18th and a 2nd rounder.

Yes, there is a chance. I dont think it'll happen, but it could. He played poorly enough.

Glebe · 01-04-2021, 11:20 AM

I mean the rumbling was he replaced Fitz mid season because the Dolphins wanted to see what they had in him, knowing that they also had a top 5 pick from the Texans. I think Tua showed flashes of brilliance but mostly mediocrity. He can't get the ball downfield at all. It's obviously way to early to give up on such a talent, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Dolphins take a shot at Justin Fields with pick 3. If the Jets end up going Fields I think they trade the pick.

Dolphinsfan1127 · 01-04-2021, 12:47 PM

It's not Tua's fault, he doesn't have any offensive weapons to throw to.

TimBuckTwo · 01-04-2021, 01:18 PM

Sell !!

Glebe · 01-04-2021, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dolphinsfan1127

It's not Tua's fault, he doesn't have any offensive weapons to throw to.

I keep hearing this, but Fitz did great with the weapons they have. I think it's more of a play calling issue - maybe they trust Fitz more to make the decision on deeper throws vs Tua... they never let Tua get loose running or deep throws - it's just short 2-5 yard chucks. They need to design some runs for Tua and mix things up a bit.

jubei777 · 01-04-2021, 01:29 PM

Gotta see how Tua's progression goes for the offseason. Get him a QB guru to work with him and see if it pays off for next year. Too early to write him off.

Boo · 01-04-2021, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Glebe

I keep hearing this, but Fitz did great with the weapons they have. I think it's more of a play calling issue - maybe they trust Fitz more to make the decision on deeper throws vs Tua... they never let Tua get loose running or deep throws - it's just short 2-5 yard chucks. They need to design some runs for Tua and mix things up a bit.

Which will happen in the off season. No mistakes is what they wanted. He was put in to manage the games and let the defense and special teams win it. Didn't work yesterday, he didn't give up 50+ points yesterday.

Glebe · 01-04-2021, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Boo

Which will happen in the off season. No mistakes is what they wanted. He was put in to manage the games and let the defense and special teams win it. Didn't work yesterday, he didn't give up 50+ points yesterday.

True facts, and I think Tua needs more time. However Herbert started the clock on all rookie QB's, and time ticks fast ala Josh Rosen. This years draft will be interesting.

SethMurphy · 01-04-2021, 01:44 PM

Tua - 10 G, 9 GS, 186-290, 64.1 %, 1814 yds, 11 td, 5 int, 20 sacks, 6.0 intended air yards per attempt, 2.3 pocket time, 3.5 drop percent, 14.5 bad throw percent, 58.9 on target percent

Fitzmagic - 9 G, 7 GS, 183-267, 68.5%, 2091 yds, 13 td, 8 int, 14 sacks, 7.8 intended air yards, 2.2 pocket time, 3.8 drop percent, 14.0 bad throw percent, 79.9 on target percent

IDK it's not crazy in his favor, but I'll take Fitz over Tua, but I've always been on the Tua is a bust train, never wavered.

Boo · 01-04-2021, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SethMurphy

Tua - 10 G, 9 GS, 186-290, 64.1 %, 1814 yds, 11 td, 5 int, 20 sacks, 6.0 intended air yards per attempt, 2.3 pocket time, 3.5 drop percent, 14.5 bad throw percent, 58.9 on target percent

Fitzmagic - 9 G, 7 GS, 183-267, 68.5%, 2091 yds, 13 td, 8 int, 14 sacks, 7.8 intended air yards, 2.2 pocket time, 3.8 drop percent, 14.0 bad throw percent, 79.9 on target percent

IDK it's not crazy in his favor, but I'll take Fitz over Tua, but I've always been on the Tua is a bust train, never wavered.

Problem with Fitz for his whole career is that he'll get hot for a few games and then throw in a 4 pick game. Can't win in the NFL now turning it over so much.

JeremyNick · 01-04-2021, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SethMurphy

Tua - 10 G, 9 GS, 186-290, 64.1 %, 1814 yds, 11 td, 5 int, 20 sacks, 6.0 intended air yards per attempt, 2.3 pocket time, 3.5 drop percent, 14.5 bad throw percent, 58.9 on target percent

Fitzmagic - 9 G, 7 GS, 183-267, 68.5%, 2091 yds, 13 td, 8 int, 14 sacks, 7.8 intended air yards, 2.2 pocket time, 3.8 drop percent, 14.0 bad throw percent, 79.9 on target percent

IDK it's not crazy in his favor, but I'll take Fitz over Tua, but I've always been on the Tua is a bust train, never wavered.

Flores was stupid.

Playing Tua too early. Starting him, then pulling him. Starting him again. Once you put a rookie QB intentionally in a game (not because of injury, etc) you can’t go backwards. It never works. You’re going to wreck him, his confidence and his ability to feel comfortable making a mistake. Flores make quite a few big mistakes with Tua this year.

It will be interesting to see what they do in the off-season. It’s the Dolphins though, whatever they do won’t work.

SethMurphy · 01-04-2021, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Boo

Problem with Fitz for his whole career is that he'll get hot for a few games and then throw in a 4 pick game. Can't win in the NFL now turning it over so much.

Correct. The number that stands out a lot for me when it comes to Tua is that below 60% on target throw percentage. People are blaming his weapons when he clearly also isn't giving the receivers a chance many times to make the play. If the QB isn't putting the ball in the right spot, it's not always the receivers fault

mfw13 · 01-04-2021, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

There is talk the Dolphins may take a QB? This seems absolutely crazy.......

It is....and points to the dangers of spending high draft picks on QB's in general, especially those whose primary claim to fame is playing for a powerhouse college program and beating up on inferior opponents.

IMHO, the Dolphins would be crazy to spend another high draft pick on a QB.

If you didn't believe in Tua enough to give him several seasons to develop, then why the heck did you draft him in the first place?

Boo · 01-04-2021, 02:01 PM

Dolphins will not take a QB at #3, OL is my guess. If someone drops to their later pick???

JohnnyHatesJazz · 01-04-2021, 02:13 PM

If this is what the NFL has come to, belichick will find his next qb soon enough. Tua doesn’t have fitzpatricks experience or herberts weapons. He needs a legit shot.

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Grid · 01-04-2021, 02:21 PM

Teams will be lining up to trade for Tua and his rookie contract

ld8759 · 01-04-2021, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

If this is what the NFL has come to, belichick will find his next qb soon enough. Tua doesn’t have fitzpatricks experience or herberts weapons. He needs a legit shot.

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The Patriots would develop him and play to his strengths. It would be a lot better than watching Cam Newton throw the ball into the ground. If this talk is true, Miami is crazy to give up on him already. The kid needs time.

Giancarlo27 · 01-04-2021, 02:29 PM

They wont be drafting another QB, but Tua is definitely not good. After a second mediocre year the Fins will be moving on

Jericho · 01-04-2021, 03:54 PM

I dont see them taking a QB, but as a Dolphins fan, I was willing to give Tua a chance, but I saw every snap he took and I dont see anything special there. They can't get Trevor Lawrence, so tough through another season with Tua and see who's out there next year. Unless you can get some established starter in a trade.

49ersSF · 01-04-2021, 05:31 PM

Any talk the Dolphins are taking a QB is a giant smoke screen. They want to make sure the top 2 picks taken are QB's so they get the best non QB in the draft. They could go for a WR like Ja'Marr Chase or Devonta Smith but most likely they are hoping the Jets do not take Penei Sewell. Part of the smoke screen is also used to convince teams drafting after the Dolphins that they will lose the QB they want unless they trade up to the Jets spot. No way, no how the Dolphins draft a QB.

asujbl · 01-04-2021, 06:38 PM

The Dolphins won’t take a QB...

But people are way to assured of that

This is the decade of Rosen, Haskins, and the like (Darnold and Jones would both be out on this ass if either NYC team could get Lawrence)

I think Tua sticks but only because Lawrence and Fields go 1 and 2 (trade up for Fields)

h00perstar34 · 01-04-2021, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

If this is what the NFL has come to, belichick will find his next qb soon enough. Tua doesn’t have fitzpatricks experience or herberts weapons. He needs a legit shot.

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Pats offense is far more anemic than Dolphins.

scurvey90 · 01-04-2021, 07:17 PM

Had a guy on eBay request a refund on a 3 card RC Lot of Tua. He left me positive feedback over a month ago. And now says it was for his nephew and his nephew didn’t like it.

Rivalsjp · 01-04-2021, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Glebe

True facts, and I think Tua needs more time. However Herbert started the clock on all rookie QB's, and time ticks fast ala Josh Rosen. This years draft will be interesting.

Good points. Tua will be fine. Herbert was playing with house money. He for sure had the most weapons to work with. He had to play for an injured starter and certainly earned the role after those first few games. I still believe Tua has the most upside. Tua was put in a tough spot being inserted to play when he was. He took over for a guy who wasn’t necessarily any better statistically but was winning. They didn’t need to play Tua at that time. Then Flores pulled him twice for Fitz and that didn’t help his confidence and messed with team chemistry and loyalties quite a bit. The consensus was he’d sit this season. The Dolphins should have stayed with Fitz and started Tua next season. He’ll get his shot next season and hobby wise if he performs like he is capable then his stuff is a steal right now. If he struggles then he could go down the Rosen/Trubisky road.

The Dolphins are not taking a first round QB. They might take a third or fourth round type guy but they are not taking a QB. That would be colossally stupid unless you could get Trevor Lawrence, which they can’t. Give Tua a (hopefully) somewhat normal offseason and a full season to see what he can really do.

01-04-2021, 11:03 AM	#1
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,965 brothertona1	Tua Tagovailoa There is talk the Dolphins may take a QB? This seems absolutely crazy....... I'd definitely trade down with the Dolphins if I was the Falcons for the 18th and a 2nd rounder.

01-04-2021, 01:44 PM	#10
SethMurphy Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Centerville/Erie, PA Posts: 19,494 smurf_8 sethmurphy	Tua - 10 G, 9 GS, 186-290, 64.1 %, 1814 yds, 11 td, 5 int, 20 sacks, 6.0 intended air yards per attempt, 2.3 pocket time, 3.5 drop percent, 14.5 bad throw percent, 58.9 on target percent Fitzmagic - 9 G, 7 GS, 183-267, 68.5%, 2091 yds, 13 td, 8 int, 14 sacks, 7.8 intended air yards, 2.2 pocket time, 3.8 drop percent, 14.0 bad throw percent, 79.9 on target percent IDK it's not crazy in his favor, but I'll take Fitz over Tua, but I've always been on the Tua is a bust train, never wavered. __________________ Twitter - @seth_murphy8 PCs - Ryan Callahan, Reggie Lewis, Funko Pops (a little), a few other things that catch my eye

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JohnnyHatesJazz Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 7,370	Tua Tagovailoa If this is what the NFL has come to, belichick will find his next qb soon enough. Tua doesn’t have fitzpatricks experience or herberts weapons. He needs a legit shot. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ "If you can't handle the Patriots dynastic resurgence, call 1-800-YOU-LOSE and I will be more than happy to help you free of charge. Because I'm a NICE GUY." *Captain Of The Mayeflower*

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01-04-2021, 11:20 AM	#3
Glebe Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 973	I mean the rumbling was he replaced Fitz mid season because the Dolphins wanted to see what they had in him, knowing that they also had a top 5 pick from the Texans. I think Tua showed flashes of brilliance but mostly mediocrity. He can't get the ball downfield at all. It's obviously way to early to give up on such a talent, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Dolphins take a shot at Justin Fields with pick 3. If the Jets end up going Fields I think they trade the pick.

01-04-2021, 12:47 PM	#4
Dolphinsfan1127 Member Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Atlanta Posts: 765 evebau86	It's not Tua's fault, he doesn't have any offensive weapons to throw to.

01-04-2021, 01:18 PM	#5
TimBuckTwo Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10,158	Sell !!

01-04-2021, 01:29 PM	#7
jubei777 Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 4,434 jubei777	Gotta see how Tua's progression goes for the offseason. Get him a QB guru to work with him and see if it pays off for next year. Too early to write him off.

01-04-2021, 02:21 PM	#17
Grid Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 13,144 Gridiron-Gladiators	Teams will be lining up to trade for Tua and his rookie contract

01-04-2021, 03:54 PM	#20
Jericho Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Posts: 2,985	I dont see them taking a QB, but as a Dolphins fan, I was willing to give Tua a chance, but I saw every snap he took and I dont see anything special there. They can't get Trevor Lawrence, so tough through another season with Tua and see who's out there next year. Unless you can get some established starter in a trade.

01-04-2021, 05:31 PM	#21
49ersSF Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: San Francisco Posts: 4,098	Any talk the Dolphins are taking a QB is a giant smoke screen. They want to make sure the top 2 picks taken are QB's so they get the best non QB in the draft. They could go for a WR like Ja'Marr Chase or Devonta Smith but most likely they are hoping the Jets do not take Penei Sewell. Part of the smoke screen is also used to convince teams drafting after the Dolphins that they will lose the QB they want unless they trade up to the Jets spot. No way, no how the Dolphins draft a QB. __________________ They see what they have been told to see.

01-04-2021, 06:38 PM	#22
asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 63,320 ohiosundevils	The Dolphins won’t take a QB... But people are way to assured of that This is the decade of Rosen, Haskins, and the like (Darnold and Jones would both be out on this ass if either NYC team could get Lawrence) I think Tua sticks but only because Lawrence and Fields go 1 and 2 (trade up for Fields) __________________ https://ohiosundevils.smugmug.com/ Browns/Cavs/Tribe/Buckeyes/Jackets/Devils TheFrenzy - “Blowout ain't a place for normies”

01-04-2021, 07:17 PM	#24
scurvey90 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Middle of the Bluegrass Posts: 1,644 scurvey90	Had a guy on eBay request a refund on a 3 card RC Lot of Tua. He left me positive feedback over a month ago. And now says it was for his nephew and his nephew didn’t like it.