Bruins have bungled the Swayman situation beyond belief

[kellmuff]

Lost all leverage when they traded Ullmark and now Neely is calling him out publicly with that '64 million dollar' comment which Swaymans agent came out and said wasnt true, almost immediately

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[Bosoxfan5990]

Swayman thinks he's worth much more than he's actually worth.

Good luck holding out until 12/1 and then taking less money.

[BostonNut]

Both sides really.

It's been entertaining to watch though.

[ShoutFan2020]

Neely on the phone with Ottawa right now;



Get rid of him, lots of goalies out there that can play 50% and win half their playoff games for cheaper.

[mrb842]

This looks worse on twitter than it really is. Swayman is a young pup who hasn't done anything yet and the veterans and alumni like Chara, Bergeron etc all have close ties to the front office and will tell him to sign. It will get done just like the team losing in the first or second round to florida or tampa again because Sweeney can't draft and so their farm system sucks.

[ZappBrannigan]

Swayman has done nothing. Trade him to Utah please.

[ThatGuyPal]

Puts into perspective the NIL college kid Matthew Sluka leaving over a $100K unfulfilled promise. These guys are making 7 something million a year and don't want to play because they want 8 mil.

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Puts into perspective the NIL college kid Matthew Sluka leaving over a $100K unfulfilled promise. These guys are making 7 something million a year and don't want to play because they want 8 mil.

Swayman earned $3.5 million last season, he's looking for a raise. I don't blame him. $8 million might be a bit much.

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/player/_...jeremy-swayman

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by mrb842

This looks worse on twitter than it really is. Swayman is a young pup who hasn't done anything yet and the veterans and alumni like Chara, Bergeron etc all have close ties to the front office and will tell him to sign. It will get done just like the team losing in the first or second round to florida or tampa again because Sweeney can't draft and so their farm system sucks.

The Bruins seem to find young players though. Swayman's a Bruins pick (fourth round 2017). Poitras and Lohrei are solid, both second round draft picks (2022 and 2020 respectively). The mid/late 2010s drafts were wasted for the most part, DeBrusk is gone which leaves McAvoy the only good pick that's lasted.

Bottom line, as a Bruins fan, my gut says this will be worked out. There's been 'longer than it should have taken' signings in the recent past. Hockey News cycle has been relatively slow, so more of this is being made because drama.

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by stoopid

The Bruins seem to find young players though. Swayman's a Bruins pick (fourth round 2017). Poitras and Lohrei are solid, both second round draft picks (2022 and 2020 respectively). The mid/late 2010s drafts were wasted for the most part, DeBrusk is gone which leaves McAvoy the only good pick that's lasted.

Bottom line, as a Bruins fan, my gut says this will be worked out. There's been 'longer than it should have taken' signings in the recent past. Hockey News cycle has been relatively slow, so more of this is being made because drama.

Pasta?

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

Pasta?

Yeah 2014 is 'mid' 2010s. He's another good example of the Bruins scouting team, picked way down in the first round. Win some lose some, he was obviously a huge win.

[rizzeedizzee]

Fun fact - the last goalie who, also by age 25 and in his first four seasons, had played 125+ games with a collective SV% higher than Swayman's and a GAA lower than Swayman's was.....David Aebisher. Yes, I realize past results do not predict future outcomes, but some food for thought.

[aro13]

Originally Posted by rizzeedizzee

Fun fact - the last goalie who, also by age 25 and in his first four seasons, had played 125+ games with a collective SV% higher than Swayman's and a GAA lower than Swayman's was.....David Aebisher. Yes, I realize past results do not predict future outcomes, but some food for thought.

Interesting. It's always nice to see comparables like that. It is tough to be a great goaltender every year. Not too many in the last 20 years have been consistently outstanding every year.

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by stoopid

Swayman earned $3.5 million last season, he's looking for a raise. I don't blame him. $8 million might be a bit much.

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/player/_...jeremy-swayman

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/so...-8-million-aav

This is the article I saw:

My understanding is that the Bruins have offered eight years x $7.8 million, which is $62.4 [million]. So, maybe Cam Neely had a bit of fun with numbers…$1.6 million is where they were off.

I think the Swayman camp has been asking for eight [years] x $8.5 million, which is $68 million, and the Bruins were somewhere close to $6.5 [million]


So I was wrong he actually would basically be making $8M and wants $8.5. I worded it wrong but I didn't mean currently, I meant that it doesn't seem as bad that kid left over $100K when these guys are making an issue over making $7.8 million (upcoming)

[mallowciraptor]

As one of the bigger Swayman collectors and a Bruins/Black Bears fan its really frustrating to see this whole situation reach this point.

We all knew they were going to go after a much-needed center which would eat up a good chunk of cap space. But to then turn around and sign a one-dimensional defenseman like Zadorov to a 6yr $30m deal before locking up Swayman was just an egregious self-inflicted error by Sweeney/Neely.

Gross is going to have to own some of this as well. The constant back-and-forth bickering through the media feels like high school level pettiness, but I certainly won't fault him for trying to get his client the most money possible.

At the end of the day I am still optimistic they lock him up at around $8.5m.

[mclaw131]

Regardless of where this goes, the Bruins have about $8.6m in cap space (not the $7.8m that some are saying we have in cap space, not contract value); this includes Bussi, who would be sent down to Providence, not carrying three goalies all year).

I think they still get this done for $8-8.25m. And I think they would send either Lettieri or Brown back down to Providence, which would allow either Boston to offer a contract for Tyler Johnson around $800k-1m (Heinen PTO contract was $775k), or carry some cap space for flexibility (have 22/23 contracts).

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by mallowciraptor

We all knew they were going to go after a much-needed center which would eat up a good chunk of cap space. But to then turn around and sign a one-dimensional defenseman like Zadorov to a 6yr $30m deal before locking up Swayman was just an egregious self-inflicted error by Sweeney/Neely.

This.
And the Lindholm contract isn't much better.

[Inferno]

Bruins moving Ullmark gave Swayman too much leverage and he’s using it.

He hasn’t yet earned the big contract he’s demanding (career high is 44 starts in a season) and goalies are voodoo to begin with. Shesterkin wanting to set a market is more understandable than Swayman.

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by Inferno

He hasn’t yet earned the big contract he’s demanding (career high is 44 starts in a season) and goalies are voodoo to begin with. Shesterkin wanting to set a market is more understandable than Swayman.

This is ultimately why I feel this will end with Swayman signing with Boston, no team is going to bite at 8+ million annual. Not the time or place for him to be a trendsetter, and eventually his agent will realize it as well.

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by mclaw131

Regardless of where this goes, the Bruins have about $8.6m in cap space (not the $7.8m that some are saying we have in cap space, not contract value); this includes Bussi, who would be sent down to Providence, not carrying three goalies all year).

I think they still get this done for $8-8.25m. And I think they would send either Lettieri or Brown back down to Providence, which would allow either Boston to offer a contract for Tyler Johnson around $800k-1m (Heinen PTO contract was $775k), or carry some cap space for flexibility (have 22/23 contracts).

To confirm, 8.6 million is the number that's been known for a while and your maths work out. As a hockey fan it would be nice to see TJ get that second (or third?) chance, Heinen certainly made the most of it.

[ShoutFan2020]

There's just no reason this kid shouldn't be happy making 6m per year right now. You don't want that to be your 6-8 year contract? Fine sign a 2 year bridge, prove your value first.

Top goalie cap hits in the NHL;
Price - $10.5M (bat-$#@! crazy contract, teams learned not to do this)
Bobrovsky - $10M. (most teams thought it was a crazy deal, Cup winner, 2x Vezina winner)
Vasilevskiy - $9.5M (Multi-Cup and Vezina winner)

Hellebuyck- $8.5M (multi-Vezina winner)
Sorokin - $8.25M (Vezina finalist)

After that it's Gibson at $6.4M

I'd offer a 2 year bridge at $6M and say "let's see how you handle 50+ first then we can bump you up to the numbers you are talking".

[razorsharp]

Swayman does not have the leverage he thinks he does.

[NHRonin]

Kid hasn’t proven he can shoulder the load for a SC contender and has not earned the money he is demanding. His agent is giving him bad advice. Bruins should make a final reasonable offer or trade his rights. Bruins haven’t bungled anything.

[rizzeedizzee]

And he can't compare himself to Sorokin despite Sorokin having the same number of games played when he inked his deal, since Sorokin was an entrenched starter and, more importantly, would've been a UFA had he not been extended.

[MarksalotBrown]

Originally Posted by razorsharp

Swayman does not have the leverage he thinks he does.

The Bruins do not have the leverage they think they do.