Will Shohei Ohtani pass Barry Bonds with 7 MVPs?!

[Hellcat]

Interesting discussion and will be cool to follow this thread through the years. I most certainly think he will at least tie Bonds! Most already have Ohtani as the GOAT there would be no doubt if he gets 7 MVPs or more!

[Handsome Wes]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

Interesting discussion and will be cool to follow this thread through the years. I most certainly think he will at least tie Bonds! Most already have Ohtani as the GOAT there would be no doubt if he gets 7 MVPs or more!

it helps ohtani's case when voters ignore players with better numbers (who play the field!)

[ThoseBackPages]

im here for it!

[hermanotarjeta]

If he can avoid injury and continue to pitch at a high level, it is certainly possible.

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

it helps ohtani's case when voters ignore players with better numbers (who play the field!)

Ohtani has had more success as a hitter/pitcher than Ruth let that sink in! He's the best we have seen! Wait you want him to play the field and pitch also?! Come on man!

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

it helps ohtani's case when voters ignore players with better numbers (who play the field!)

Are you referring to PCA? Because he is defeating himself right now.

[JRX]

Who really is the competition for MVP in the NL? PCA and Schwarber?

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by JRX

Who really is the competition for MVP in the NL? PCA and Schwarber?

He will face competition from Soto, Acuna, Tatis, PCA, Chourio, Elly, Devers, Wood, etc for the next decade.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

He will face competition from Soto, Acuna, Tatis, PCA, Chourio, Elly, Devers, Wood, etc for the next decade.

I meant just this year.

[boxbuster7]

it is possible but I would say he will tie him

he only needs 3 more after this season

[Twalk1975]

I think he gets five, maybe six at most. Could come down to whether or not there is a 2027 season.

[theredmenace]

To take the MVP crown, he'd need 5 more. To take the divisional era WS crown, he'd need 5 more. Which is more likely?

[JRX]

Originally Posted by theredmenace

To take the MVP crown, he'd need 5 more. To take the divisional era WS crown, he'd need 5 more. Which is more likely?

MVP, while the Dodgers will continue to run tax payrolls north of 500M, the playoffs are much more of a crapshoot.

[seanrs1]

I think you are really asking two questions here.
1. Will Ohtani tie or surpass Bonds in MVPs?
2. If Ohtani ties or surpasses Bonds in MVPs does this make him the GOAT?

I think it is really hard to compare different baseball eras...with that being said Babe Ruth is likely the GOAT over Bonds. Either way I don't think Ohtani passes either in WAR, HR's or other counting stats. With that being said I think Ohtani is going to go down as the GOAT of modern players regardless of WAR totals or MVPs assuming a long and productive career.

I think it is going to be tough for any player to match Bonds in career MVP's. At this point I never count Ohtani out of anything, but I imagine the Vegas odds of him winning 7 MVP's or more would not be that great.

Even if Ohtani does not tie or surpass Bonds in MVP's his legacy is already cemented.

Hobby wise I think Ohtani will be the #1 player for a long time and even after he retires (but I am very biased).

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by JRX

Who really is the competition for MVP in the NL? PCA and Schwarber?

PCA has or perhaps had the best chance prior to going stone cold the last two weeks. Schwarber would really need to impress closing out the season. It's likely Ohtani's to lose at this point. I doubt he gets to Bonds but you never know.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

He will face competition from Soto, Acuna, Tatis, PCA, Chourio, Elly, Devers, Wood, etc for the next decade.

Please take Devers off that list...

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

it helps ohtani's case when voters ignore players with better numbers (who play the field!)

What players and years are you alluding to?

[Archangel1775]

If there is anyone that's going to do it, its Ohtani pitching & hitting.

[chilly55]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

I think you are really asking two questions here.
1. Will Ohtani tie or surpass Bonds in MVPs?
2. If Ohtani ties or surpasses Bonds in MVPs does this make him the GOAT?

1st question: Outside of Crow-Armstrong this year, I think Ohtani has a chance for another MVP. So that will get him one step closer.

2nd question: The biggest knock on Ohtani will be the lack of him playing the field. Both Bonds & Ruth are more impressive as what they did offensively, while playing everyday, easily out weighs Ohtani playing DH. Put Ohtani in the field when he is not pitching (like Ruth did) and you'll see Ohtani's numbers drop a little. Have Othani play the outfield (like Bonds & Ruth), then see how well he hits. I would suspect his numbers would drop after running around the OF and in the direct sunlight. JMO...

[daveyc1]

I would be surprised if he made it to 7, but I wont count Ohtani out for anything. the guy is amazing. I think he has already surpassed Trout as this generations greatest player. adding a 4th MVP would seemingly cement that.

[JRX]

From an fwar standpoint only PCA can match him because of his def in CF. The other factor is voters may end up getting tired of giving it to him and give it to someone else that really leads their team to the playoffs.

[dunquixote1]

I can’t compare Ohtani to Ruth. One played prior to anyone I know that’s still alive. The other plays in an era where the team nutritionist can make more money (time value of money factored) than the highest paid player in the other era. I saw skinny Bonds play. And I saw roided Bonds play. But nothing compares to Ohtani. Being a pitcher with ace stuff every six days displays more talent than playing “mid” outfield to me. I won’t argue if you disagree. It’s just a matter of opinion. But Ohtani is the all around GOAT of my lifetime. Ruth was the GOAT of my great Grandfather’s lifetime. And Bonds is the GOAT hitter of all time. There’s room on this GOAT boat for more than one.

[Scottish Punk]

Another thing to keep in consideration. For each subsequent MVP given to Ohtani, the delta between him and the next guy needs to bigger. Meaning, there will be many voters who will vote for somebody new over Ohtani if it close.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Wifey made me take her up to Santa Clara (San Jose) to see Morgan Wallen at Levi's Stadium.

Barry Bonds and Steve Young escorted him to the stage.

I think I was the only one in the crowd booing with both thumbs down.

With the pitching this year Ohtani will get his 4th MVP. As long as he stays healthy and productive no one can catch him. Dudes leading the league in most major offensive categories AND he is sporting a 2.37 ERA.

And no he is not the greatest ever and probably wont be. Thats Babe Ruth and Shohei, while certainly the greatest I've ever seen, is not the GOAT.

The wifey was embarassed.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by theredmenace

To take the MVP crown, he'd need 5 more. To take the divisional era WS crown, he'd need 5 more. Which is more likely?

7-4=3

3+1=4