1995 Fleer Ultra Spiderman Opinion on buying price

[chuck1814us]

I have the chance to buy this set and was wondering if the person asking price fair or over priced any opinions thanks

1995 Fleer Ultra Spiderman

Base Set-Complete
Gold Foil Signature Parallel Set-Complete
Golden Web-Complete
Masterpieces-Complete
ClearChrome-Complete
Holoblast-Complete
Ultraprint-Complete
9 Card Promo Panel
4 Card Promo Panel
Ralston Foods-Complete
Empty Box
Wrappers Including The Double Pack Wrapper

Missing

9 Card Promo Panel Signed By Mark Bagley
Uncut ClearChrome Sheet
Binder
Sell Sheet
Poster Sheet

[DynaEtch]

The biggest item there is the gold foil sig set- not easy to put that together.

Here is my estimate:

Gold Foil sig set: $250-$300

Rest of the master set (base+all insert sets+masterprints+wrappers etc): $200-$300

I'd put around a $500-$550 value on it. Bought all together might be able to find it for like $450. Anything lower than that would be a good deal imo. Anything over 600 is probably too much.

The Mark Bagley signed 9-promo sheet under missing wouldnt be this set, that's 1994 Fleer Amazing Spiderman, since he did the art for that set.

[exotechktx]

I echo almost everything DynaEtch said...!

The star of your offer is definitely the gold foil parallel, and if it were me, I'd probably buy the lot if it was capped around $350. These come around a few times a year on eBay, so unless the prospective seller is giving you a fantastic deal, I would imagine you could wait longer and eventually find a similar master set being offloaded for a reasonable price.

A couple of things to consider:

If you are looking at the ClearChrome sheet, you will likely also want to delve into the other uncut sheets, and that's a whole different ball game. Base sheet, Masterpieces sheet, ClearChrome sheet, (I've never seen a Holoblast or Golden Web sheet)... These will likely be purchased individually down the line anyway so you're not losing out by buying a set now.

In terms of the sell sheet, this set actually had a full blown dealer folder / retailer promo kit. It's more exciting, but it is also more costly and rare.

Good luck either way!

[DynaEtch]

Yea, on that uncut sheet note….

Very few uncut sheets from 90s marvel were intended for public distribution. That is why they are so sporadic to come to market. One of the few that was actually released publicly was the 92 Masterpieces promo sheet from the 92 National convention- hence why it is common to find. It looks like Fleer did actually distribute some 95 FUSM sheets through a mail in (see ad on poster below), but how many people actually bothered to do this. There certainly arent many 95 FUSM base sheets or ClearChrome sheets in circulation. Ones that do pop up will be multiple hundred dollars.

Since they are pretty uncommon, sheets are not considered a typical need for a master set. The 95 FUSM binder was common and is generally counted as part of the master set. The poster of the set is not super rare like an uncut sheet... some will count it as part of the master set, some don’t bother with it. There are multiple versions, one just a 10x10 grid of cards, the other with a giveaway ad in middle (shown below).

As mentioned by exo, there is a dealer kit for this, possibly in two versions. Shown here is one I have, this one is a black and white folder (at right), along with a typical sheet included at left (a survey sheet). These packets would have relevant set info for dealer ordering purposes.



Poster


This is not an uncut sheet, just a poster. The ad on this poster was for a free uncut sheet if you send in 36 empty fleer wrappers from any marvel set (man, times have changed. Imagine how much an uncut sheet from say 2022 masterpieces would set you back. You have to hit lottery odds buying $900 boxes or pay thousands for the sheet on ebay. Back then you could just get one for free. Simpler times).

I agree with exo in that you can wait for master sets like this (with the components you listed), there will always be ones to buy. It's the sporadic things like uncut sheets of inserts that dont just come up whenever, and it may requiring snagging one when it does come up, even if overpaying.

[DynaEtch]

Also ever notice how darn sticky those ClearChrome cards are?!

What in the world were they made of...maybe some kind of vinyl plastic or something, I have no idea. But whenever you come across an old set of these in any kind of sleeve, like 9 pocket pages or penny sleeves....they are so sticky....basically adhered to the sleeve. It's a good thing this material wasnt continued with other future insert sets, seems to have been a one-off.

[exotechktx]

The base uncut sheet shouldn't be TOO uncommon. As a matter of fact, there are 2 listed on eBay right now for ~350, which is a big higher than historical pricing. Current age, you should be looking at grabbing them in the 150-200 range. Any less would be a great buy.

The ClearChromes - there's 2 versions of the uncut sheet in terms of matrix (a wide rectangular one, 3x10 spread and a more normal/expected rectangular spread)...but there's also different layers, I think 2-3 of them. It's really nifty, and if I ever get my hands on them I'll let you know exactly what they look like ;_;

[exotechktx]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

As mentioned by exo, there is a dealer kit for this, possibly in two versions. Shown here is one I have, this one is a black and white folder (at right), along with a typical sheet included at left (a survey sheet). These packets would have relevant set info for dealer ordering purposes.

I think you're right about there being 2 versions I have the more typical fleer dealer folder of those times.

And I "overpaid" for my ClearChrome sheet. From sold listings, it looks like a lucky buyer got 1 for $100, while another buy got theirs for $190. I value insert uncut sheets a bit more, so I imagine me paying $275 is still more in line with what I'd expect to pay for an insert sheet, and those guys just got lucky

[exotechktx]

The timing being appropriate, I've uploaded the dealer folder (as well as others from the 90s!) onto my recently established Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/exotechktx/

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by exotechktx

The base uncut sheet shouldn't be TOO uncommon.

Fair point. The base and clearchrome seem to be the more feasible ones to find of all the 95 FUSM sheets. Still uncommon I think….but not impossible to find. This makes me think they were offered in that uncut sheet giveaway from that poster, while others like holoblast or golden web perhaps weren’t distributed to public. No matter what the sheet is though, from a set like this, expect multiple hundred dollar cost.

Originally Posted by exotechktx

I think you're right about there being 2 versions I have the more typical fleer dealer folder of those times.

And I "overpaid" for my ClearChrome sheet. From sold listings, it looks like a lucky buyer got 1 for $100, while another buy got theirs for $190. I value insert uncut sheets a bit more, so I imagine me paying $275 is still more in line with what I'd expect to pay for an insert sheet, and those guys just got lucky

I’d say $100-190 is a great deal for this sheet! I have the same opinion that for a given set, an insert sheet should be more valuable than a base sheet.

I’m not getting the link above to work, it’s just going to the instagram home page. Sounds like you have the more traditional ‘Dealer folder’ for FUSM, the black and white one above is a more compact ‘dealer packet’, not a full fledged folder. I’d be interested if the sheets included are the same. This is what I think came in the packet (not sure if complete):



Checklist, bi-fold sell sheet, survey sheet, product ad page.

Also interested to hear what other dealer kits you have Do you have any Masterpieces actual folders outside of 94 and 95? I have not been able to confirm any of those exist, just sell sheets for those years. One of my fav dealer folders is the 94 Ultra X-Men.

[DynaEtch]

I’m more of a Masterpieces guy, but I just love these Fleer Ultra sets like 94 and 95 FUXM and 95 FUSM. They are basically masterpieces sets without the branding: top notch painted art, just featuring several artists and not only one or a few like MM.

95 FUSM is such a cool looking set from the promotional graphics to the chromium insert sets to the great card art.

It has my favorite packs wrappers of any 90s marvel set (perhaps tied with 95MM rack packs)

[exotechktx]

Fixed the link! https://www.instagram.com/exotechktx/

Confirming it is mostly the same contents as what you have, minus the folder and product feature summary. The traditional folders were neat in that they made room for the middle card being the logo of the set when you put the uncut promo sheet into it!

I have other dealer kits, but I am still missing the 93/96 sell sheet and all 95 components

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by exotechktx

Fixed the link! https://www.instagram.com/exotechktx/

Confirming it is mostly the same contents as what you have, minus the folder and product feature summary. The traditional folders were neat in that they made room for the middle card being the logo of the set when you put the uncut promo sheet into it!

I have other dealer kits, but I am still missing the 93/96 sell sheet and all 95 components

Great stuff! Really neat and rare pieces from 90s marvel card history there.

I am convinced that the 93 and 96MM were only available in sell sheet only, no dealer kit. I also have yet to see anything at all from 92MM, so jury is out whether even the sell sheet exists for that. 95MM has two different versions (same folder but different component pages).

[exotechktx]

Thanks!

Sorry we got off on a tangent @Chuck! To compensate, there's another piece of 95FUSM you might be interested in...! The 1996 Panini sticker book album - The Insidious Six - uses the art from the 95FUSM set The stickers are just small cheap stickers from the 90s cartoon, but the album itself has some nice splash images of the card art!

[chuck1814us]

Thanks everyone for the input

[Alex23]

One of my favorite sets. Not pictured but there is the 2 posters!

[DynaEtch]

With the dealer folder and sell sheets too.....very nice!!

[exotechktx]

Are those production samples for the Golden Web on the top left? :O

[Alex23]

Originally Posted by exotechktx

Are those production samples for the Golden Web on the top left? :O

I believe so, picked it up off eBay several years back. I don't recall paying very much for it but I had to grab it.

[exotechktx]

Very, very cool! Thank you for sharing

[DynaEtch]

It does look like it could be a production proof of some kind. Has what appears to be the printing company name.

Can you measure the size of the actual card images on that? Is it bigger than the standard 2.5x3.5 card?

Also are the card backs on the back, or is it blank, or see-through from the front.

I am still trying to figure what the below is that I have from the 92 Spectra Etch set, which I posted in another thread. It does not appear to be taken from any uncut sheet, the card sizes are larger than standard, and the backs are blank. I thought maybe a production proof or something. But I'd be curious if the size aspect matches yours.

[exotechktx]

From what I've seen, they are production proofs - smaller sized (in quantity) samples of what the end product could look like. This would be different than the uncut sheets, which are actual production sheets. I've seen a few examples of this - the MU93 Red Foils come to mind as there are a number of samples from that set.

Looking at the initial screenshot, it does look like the cards are a slightly bigger canvas size than the standard card size.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by exotechktx

From what I've seen, they are production proofs - smaller sized (in quantity) samples of what the end product could look like. This would be different than the uncut sheets, which are actual production sheets. I've seen a few examples of this - the MU93 Red Foils come to mind as there are a number of samples from that set.

Looking at the initial screenshot, it does look like the cards are a slightly bigger canvas size than the standard card size.

Yea I thought so too, they do look like larger images in that first pic...with angle and vantage point I guess you never know. I would agree about the production proof. They seem to have blank backs as well like my Spectras, whereas production uncut sheets have the backs. Not sure how a chromium one like these Golden Webs would be though. Another obvious thing is they dont have the names/logos, it appears to be an intermediate stage.

[exotechktx]

AFAIK, they were testing the technology and blending them together, and so they had prints at various stages/individual layers. This was the case for the ClearChrome inserts from the same set - there are uncut sheets of the individual pieces as well as the complete insert. I imagine this was also the case for the 95 Flair chromium inserts, which had a refractor version that ultimately didn't get approved for final production.

[DynaEtch]

Yea that would make sense for Chromium technology cards, must be in stages. The spectras proof I posted are more or less complete with the image and foil. Maybe because they arent chromium, and it's a different process. Or it's just a later stage proof.