Which one is more likely the next PMG?

[CardmanDan]

The Optic Dragon SSP or the Mosaic Peacock SSP, or something else like color blast? Let’s discuss!

[Luni]

Personally I hope it is the Revolution Galactic, but I'm biased.

[Kobefan]

None. PMG was a one-time parallel set, if we exclude the reprints. If that parallel set was printed year after year with similar design, I would doubt that it will maintain its popularity.

[rustywest]

Originally Posted by CardmanDan

The Optic Dragon SSP or the Mosaic Peacock SSP, or something else like color blast? Let’s discuss!

Panini actually has parallels called Dragon & Peacock?

Wonder whats next they can create for milking... I propose a Sphinx Cat SP or how about Outdoor Weatherboard numbered to 10

But seriously, I don't think any of these new releases could ever reach iconic PMG status... Perhaps first two years of Prizm Gold?

[ovt]

I can definitively say that neither of those will ever even reach the vicinity of PMGs. 2012 Prizm Golds/Silvers are the closest thing in my opinion.

[danimal875]

If I had to pick I would say Peacock. My photo doesn’t do it justice




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[Italy61587]

As far current era cards, the only thing that even has a remote chance is 12-13 Prizm Gold /10

[mindcycle]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

None. PMG was a one-time parallel set, if we exclude the reprints. If that parallel set was printed year after year with similar design, I would doubt that it will maintain its popularity.

This ^

IMO modern cards won’t ever have a PMG equivalent because even the most unique Panini parallels are overused, repeated in different sets often with different names, and are mostly just rip offs of the original 90’s Skybox designs.

Prizm had something like 40 parallels this year, it’s just a giant mess at this point. 97 metal had a base card and two parallels, green and red. It’s easy. 10 years from now try explaining to someone new to the hobby why a dragon/peacock/pink fairy dust sparkle card is better than a gold wave/red shimmer/color blast extreme. They’re not going to get it at all.

[ninjacookies]

Year of the Pig Lunar Series 5 Red Scale Tiger Balm Cracked Pipe Invisifractor. Not the tmall version, though.

[Ericc5Bears]

2012 Silver Prizms, incredibly low print run, iconic set (amazing rookie class + 1st-year of prizm), and even though the eye appeal isn't PMG level they're absolutely beautiful cards.

[Tallboy]

Originally Posted by rustywest

Panini actually has parallels called Dragon & Peacock?

Wonder whats next they can create for milking... I propose a Sphinx Cat SP or how about Outdoor Weatherboard numbered to 10

But seriously, I don't think any of these new releases could ever reach iconic PMG status... Perhaps first two years of Prizm Gold?

I had the same initial lol thought and agree that I don't think there will be another PMG..but damned if I don't find the Peacock quite enthralling. It's looking into my soul.

But I'm not going to be the one collecting these realistically, so it matters not.

[yaoming]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Year of the Pig Lunar Series 5 Red Scale Tiger Balm Cracked Pipe Invisifractor. Not the tmall version, though.

I concur with this, but maybe add the peacock dragon tail rainbow dash version?


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[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by yaoming

I concur with this, but maybe add the peacock dragon tail rainbow dash version?


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Taobao retail xclusive, right? Man...totally slipped my mind.

[Dame]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

None. PMG was a one-time parallel set, if we exclude the reprints. If that parallel set was printed year after year with similar design, I would doubt that it will maintain its popularity.

This is the correct answer. Panini unfortunately devalued some of its interesting parallels by flooding the market.


I would say Nebula’s but they are far too rare, so Gold Prizms are probably the closest thing to a PMG.

[Litwing]

2012 prizms as
1 first year prizm
2. Many great rookie players for 2011/12
3. Not much variation (gold = pmg green, silver and green only)
4. Print run is comparable

[Vinny407]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

None. PMG was a one-time parallel set, if we exclude the reprints. If that parallel set was printed year after year with similar design, I would doubt that it will maintain its popularity.

I agree 100% Individually, some Panini prints some "rare" parallels. But ultimately, there's 1000's upon 1000's printed of each player because they mass produce everything and include these parallels in multiple products. As far as #'d PMG's go, there's 200 per player......total. 10 Greens, 90 Reds, 50 each for Metal Universe over 2 seasons. And that total of 200 depends on if the player is included in all 3 releases. Galactics, Dragons and other Panini parallels will always be available in high numbers for sale across the various platforms. There's currently over 900 Galactics on Ebay and 20-50 PMG's (not taking in to account the BS listings,"like PMG", UD Retro and reprints).

[tamparican]

Panini saturates the market with parallels on a yearly basis, dont think any one of them will ever reach PMG status imo.

[sebreg]

Maybe one of the rarer standalone inserts like Color Blast or something like that. Depends if they keep doing the Color Blasts yearly though, would prob water it down...

[pcptrade]

Closest to PMG's would be First year of Prizm (2012 Silver Prizms with a print run of ~150 and Gold Prizm/10). Some might say first year of Galactics (2015) but they are no way close to PMG's in my opinion. All other panini inserts will be watered down with yearly printing.

[bberns]

Originally Posted by Vinny407

I agree 100% Individually, some Panini prints some "rare" parallels. But ultimately, there's 1000's upon 1000's printed of each player because they mass produce everything and include these parallels in multiple products. As far as #'d PMG's go, there's 200 per player......total. 10 Greens, 90 Reds, 50 each for Metal Universe over 2 seasons. And that total of 200 depends on if the player is included in all 3 releases. Galactics, Dragons and other Panini parallels will always be available in high numbers for sale across the various platforms. There's currently over 900 Galactics on Ebay and 20-50 PMG's (not taking in to account the BS listings,"like PMG", UD Retro and reprints).

PMGs were released over 20 years ago (compared to 6 or less years for the Panini cards you mention). The passage of time matters a lot. For example, if you wanted to buy a base vet 15-16 Galactic or 2012 Prizm Gold on any platform, there are less than a half dozen total. If you move up a year, there are a handful more and so on. This conversation will be very different in 15 years.

[bberns]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Closest to PMG's would be First year of Prizm (2012 Silver Prizms and Gold Prizms). Some might say first year of Galactics (2015) but they are no way close to PMG's in my opinion. All other panini inserts will be watered down with yearly printing.

Were PMGs watered down by 97-98 Metal Universe Championship or 98-99? Was the brand harmed by the hideous issue in 2008-09 or the numerous retro sets across all sports? I think this is overblown.

Right now in 2021 LeBron has roughly the same number of base prizm golds (10 per year) or base galactics (~15 per year) as Jordan does green/red PMGs.

[colbycolbycolby]

Kabooms are the easy answer.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by bberns

Were PMGs watered down by 97-98 Metal Universe Championship or 98-99? Was the brand harmed by the hideous issue in 2008-09 or the numerous retro sets across all sports? I think this is overblown.

Right now in 2021 LeBron has roughly the same number of base prizm golds (10 per year) or base galactics (~15 per year) as Jordan does green/red PMGs.

My only fear with the Galactic is that the effect used on the card doesn't change year to year.

This is where the PMGs are actually "different". Each one produced looks completely different from the previous.

My Galactic fear is what pushed me away initially (regrettably). It was also my first ask when the set was released in 2015. I hoped all subsequent years would switch up the design on the Galactic. That hasn't happened to my dismay.

I know there is no reason for Panini to get innovative and create new designs year to year, but that is one of the main reasons the stuff from the 90s stands above the modern basketball iterations. It's also not like Panini hasn't switched up designs year to year with other sets they've put out multiple times.

Please, please, please Panini, switch stuff up once in a while!

[Kobefan]

Originally Posted by bberns

Were PMGs watered down by 97-98 Metal Universe Championship or 98-99? Was the brand harmed by the hideous issue in 2008-09 or the numerous retro sets across all sports? I think this is overblown.

Right now in 2021 LeBron has roughly the same number of base prizm golds (10 per year) or base galactics (~15 per year) as Jordan does green/red PMGs.

No, cause they look nothing like the original one. If you want to see pmg being reprinted over and over again and flooding the market, just look at the marvel cards. Upper deck started the pmg in their 2013 fleer retro marvel cards and it was highly in demand, then reprinted in 2015 fleer retro, and then again and again in various sets, now pmg aren’t nearly as popular as it once was.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by bberns

Were PMGs watered down by 97-98 Metal Universe Championship or 98-99? Was the brand harmed by the hideous issue in 2008-09 or the numerous retro sets across all sports? I think this is overblown.

Right now in 2021 LeBron has roughly the same number of base prizm golds (10 per year) or base galactics (~15 per year) as Jordan does green/red PMGs.

when we talk about PMG's, it is usually the first year (1997) that are considered iconic and command a significant premium. They were unique, too advanced for that time period and serial numbered. To me they are a piece of art! 2008-09 PMG's are notorious for surface peeling/bubbling issues and Retro are non licensed PMGS's, making both of them less desirable. Honestly, I do not think any modern Panini card that has been printed so far comes anywhere close to 1997 PMG's. Having said that, the closest modern card to 1997 PMG's would be 2012 Silver Prizms (first year, limited print run). 2015 Galactics (first year) will also be sought after but I do not think they will come anywhere close to 1997 PMG's in terms of price and desirability. Imagine Panini printing Galactics, Color blasts, peacocks, Tigers, Zebra, Dragon scale etc for the next 10 to 20 years. There will not be considered rare and limited imo. Few years ago, collectors were saying Galactics, Tigers and Zebra would be considered next PMG's. Now, its color blast, peacock, Dragon scale. Next year, it will be another new parallel.