Should the Titans tank for Arch?

Rooftop · 02-13-2025, 09:43 PM

Trade the #1 pick, load up with some draft capital, and tank the season for the #1 pick next year.

Baraka · 02-13-2025, 09:49 PM

It would take more than just getting a QB

slyguy · 02-13-2025, 09:52 PM

When did Arch become good?

The guy's a probably mid rounder... maybe, with an excellent 2025 season and playoff (good luck in SEC).

Fenway55 · 02-13-2025, 09:59 PM

Barring injury, there is no way Arch Manning is anything but the #1 overall pick in the draft - but it'll probably be the 2026 draft (CORRECTION: I mean the 2027 draft) so Tennessee tanking this year will do them no good.

Rooftop · 02-13-2025, 10:01 PM

Isn’t next year the 2026 draft?

Fenway55 · 02-13-2025, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooftop

Isn’t next year the 2026 draft?

That was a brain fart on my part. Apologies. I have corrected my post to reflect what I meant.

slyguy · 02-13-2025, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooftop

Isn’t next year the 2026 draft?

Not on the planets Tantooine and Hoth and Endor... and mom's basement??

Fenway55 · 02-13-2025, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by slyguy

Not on the planets Tantooine and Hoth and Endor... and mom's basement??

I made a mistake, for which I have already apologized. I am not sure why they merited a personal attack but w/e....

Delta5 · 02-13-2025, 10:18 PM

Tanking is never a good strategy. Look at how many team successfully doing so compared to how many teams just stuck in tanking every season and in a QB purgatory. Most of the great teams dont need 1 overall pick to be good (Chiefs Ravens Eagles Bills). Make a good team first then worry about the QB position

Rbradleigh · 02-13-2025, 10:27 PM

Not if they think Shadeur or Cam got the goods.
And players don’t tank.
NFL = “not for long”

Rbradleigh · 02-13-2025, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Delta5

Tanking is never a good strategy. Look at how many team successfully doing so compared to how many teams just stuck in tanking every season and in a QB purgatory. Most of the great teams dont need 1 overall pick to be good (Chiefs Ravens Eagles Bills). Make a good team first then worry about the QB position

They all hit on QB, perhaps Hurts isn’t in the that tier but he obviously suits Philly just fine.

Basically hit on your QB and life is good.

TheHeel · 02-13-2025, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by slyguy

When did Arch become good?

The guy's a probably mid rounder... maybe, with an excellent 2025 season and playoff (good luck in SEC).

I gotta disagree. First pick overall barring a significant injury

kipgen · 02-13-2025, 10:52 PM

They probably should, but the NFL is unpredictable and you'll never get a team of professional athletes to go along with your plan of sucking for the entire year just so they can draft their replacements

Delta5 · 02-13-2025, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rbradleigh

They all hit on QB, perhaps Hurts isn’t in the that tier but he obviously suits Philly just fine.

Basically hit on your QB and life is good.

Another thing all of those teams have in common is they have solid team already, tanking and having 3 wins season is so demoralizing to your roster

Grid · 02-14-2025, 09:07 AM

Rarely has this ever worked out. Suck for Luck. Tank for Tua. Don't play better, go get Trevor.

Over the past 15 years:

Sam Bradford, EJ Manuel, Blake Bortles, Jameis Winston, Mitch Trubisky, Kenny Pickett, CJ Stroud ETC were all the 1st QBs off the board.

Tier 2 guys, that were the 1st QBs in their draft. Jared Goff & Baker Mayfield both needed a ton of time to settle in. Kyler Murray & Trevor Lawrence might be good enough.

Joe Burrow, Cam Newton & Andrew Luck were all stars. Cam and Joe played in a Super Bowl. But none of these 3 won one. Well, not yet for Burrow any way.

Floridacardguy · 02-14-2025, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Delta5

Tanking is never a good strategy. Look at how many team successfully doing so compared to how many teams just stuck in tanking every season and in a QB purgatory. Most of the great teams dont need 1 overall pick to be good (Chiefs Ravens Eagles Bills). Make a good team first then worry about the QB position

Imagine if the Commanders tanked to get Caleb.
Just pick the best guy you can or bring in a short term free agent

Fenway55 · 02-14-2025, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Imagine if the Commanders tanked to get Caleb.
Just pick the best guy you can or bring in a short term free agent

Tanking for the wrong guy doesn’t work and all too often the #1 pick in the draft is the wrong guy.

But if you really believed Arch was a generational QB, and if you were right, then tanking ain’t the worst idea.

slyguy · 02-14-2025, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Grid

...CJ Stroud ETC were all the 1st QBs off the board.

Tier 2 guys, that were the 1st QBs in their draft....

CJ wasn't first QB off the board, and he's not bad so far as a pro.

But yeah, wait until Arch Manning actually does well in college (slim chance) before we anoint him the next big thing.

Chrominator · 02-14-2025, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kipgen

...you'll never get a team of professional athletes to go along with your plan of sucking for the entire year just so they can draft their replacements

This^ is the correct answer imo

Fenway55 · 02-14-2025, 09:34 AM

There really isn't much tanking in the NFL. Now, obviously, every year someone has to be #1 overall, but that doesn't mean they tanked to get there. In most years they just plain sucked enough to deserve the #1.

But fact is that if you look at the good teams in this League, you mostly see teams who drafted a very talented QB. 6 of this year's 8 divisional round teams fit that bill (and coincidentally the 2 teams who didn't were playing with each others' draft picks at that position).

I wouldn't deliberately throw away an entire season but if I'm the GM of a team who is 2-10 headed down the stretch in the 2026 season, I make darn sure we finish 2-15.

Bosoxfan5990 · 02-14-2025, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kipgen

They probably should, but the NFL is unpredictable and you'll never get a team of professional athletes to go along with your plan of sucking for the entire year just so they can draft their replacements

Look no further than Week 18 of 2024 and the New England Patriots.

Boo · 02-14-2025, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Look no further than Week 18 of 2024 and the New England Patriots.

No one in their right mind was looking at the Patriots for anything this year.

Bosoxfan5990 · 02-14-2025, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Boo

No one in their right mind was looking at the Patriots for anything this year.

slyguy · 02-14-2025, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Look no further than Week 18 of 2024 and the New England Patriots.

That one made it push over/under for their season wins bet. Glad for the tank.

I bet over 4 and though they could've made 5 wins easy and earlier... but still happy to hit a push.

Grid · 02-14-2025, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by slyguy

CJ wasn't first QB off the board, and he's not bad so far as a pro.

But yeah, wait until Arch Manning actually does well in college (slim chance) before we anoint him the next big thing.

Yes, my bad. And CJ was/is good. Should have been Bryce Young. Which fits the narrative.

02-13-2025, 09:49 PM	#2
Baraka Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: LA Posts: 1,088 SJ3one6	It would take more than just getting a QB __________________ Don't feed the trolls.

02-13-2025, 09:59 PM	#4
Fenway55 Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 6,335	Barring injury, there is no way Arch Manning is anything but the #1 overall pick in the draft - but it'll probably be the 2026 draft (CORRECTION: I mean the 2027 draft) so Tennessee tanking this year will do them no good. Last edited by Fenway55; 02-13-2025 at 10:03 PM.

02-14-2025, 09:34 AM	#20
Fenway55 Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 6,335	There really isn't much tanking in the NFL. Now, obviously, every year someone has to be #1 overall, but that doesn't mean they tanked to get there. In most years they just plain sucked enough to deserve the #1. But fact is that if you look at the good teams in this League, you mostly see teams who drafted a very talented QB. 6 of this year's 8 divisional round teams fit that bill (and coincidentally the 2 teams who didn't were playing with each others' draft picks at that position). I wouldn't deliberately throw away an entire season but if I'm the GM of a team who is 2-10 headed down the stretch in the 2026 season, I make darn sure we finish 2-15. Last edited by Fenway55; 02-14-2025 at 12:15 PM.

02-13-2025, 09:43 PM	#1
Rooftop Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 3,465	Should the Titans tank for Arch? Trade the #1 pick, load up with some draft capital, and tank the season for the #1 pick next year.

02-13-2025, 09:52 PM	#3
slyguy Banned Join Date: Jan 2025 Location: SW USA Posts: 1,057	When did Arch become good? The guy's a probably mid rounder... maybe, with an excellent 2025 season and playoff (good luck in SEC).

02-13-2025, 10:01 PM	#5
Rooftop Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 3,465	Isn’t next year the 2026 draft?

02-13-2025, 10:18 PM	#9
Delta5 Member Join Date: Aug 2024 Posts: 2,694	Tanking is never a good strategy. Look at how many team successfully doing so compared to how many teams just stuck in tanking every season and in a QB purgatory. Most of the great teams dont need 1 overall pick to be good (Chiefs Ravens Eagles Bills). Make a good team first then worry about the QB position

02-13-2025, 10:27 PM	#10
Rbradleigh Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: Kent, WA Posts: 1,498	Not if they think Shadeur or Cam got the goods. And players don’t tank. NFL = “not for long”

02-13-2025, 10:52 PM	#13
kipgen Member Join Date: May 2024 Posts: 1,197	They probably should, but the NFL is unpredictable and you'll never get a team of professional athletes to go along with your plan of sucking for the entire year just so they can draft their replacements

02-14-2025, 09:07 AM	#15
Grid Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 12,870 Gridiron-Gladiators	Rarely has this ever worked out. Suck for Luck. Tank for Tua. Don't play better, go get Trevor. Over the past 15 years: Sam Bradford, EJ Manuel, Blake Bortles, Jameis Winston, Mitch Trubisky, Kenny Pickett, CJ Stroud ETC were all the 1st QBs off the board. Tier 2 guys, that were the 1st QBs in their draft. Jared Goff & Baker Mayfield both needed a ton of time to settle in. Kyler Murray & Trevor Lawrence might be good enough. Joe Burrow, Cam Newton & Andrew Luck were all stars. Cam and Joe played in a Super Bowl. But none of these 3 won one. Well, not yet for Burrow any way.