The 2022 Draft Class will end up being better than 2021

Row · 01-31-2023, 04:04 AM

The title says most of it, but to clarify I'm talking from an overall perspective, not just QBs.

Yay or Nay?

mma138 · 01-31-2023, 04:14 AM

im excited for zappe

bluebirds987 · 01-31-2023, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mma138

im excited for zappe

With those wide receivers?

Floridacardguy · 01-31-2023, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mma138

im excited for zappe

What's in the cards for Zappe? Through accident only, I accumulated several of his rookie autos and parallels. Wasn't targeting them, I just wound up pulling them

Zauron · 01-31-2023, 08:39 AM

lol not even close IMO, and that's if you take QB's out of the equation.

2021:
Chase
Waddle
D. Smith
Surtain
Sewell
Parsons
Slater
N. Harris
Javonte Williams
Etienne

That's just the first round/2nd round basically not even going too deep

2022 might come closer, but right now...no

hermanotarjeta · 01-31-2023, 08:43 AM

That’s like saying Brock purdy will be better than Trevor Lawrence.

That’s a clown statement, bro.

Grid · 01-31-2023, 08:47 AM

Nay. But I am not sure what to make of your "overall perspective".

If you are talking about the quality of depth players, IE back up Linebackers or interior linemen. I cant say either way. But if we are just talking about play makers, 2021>2022

ThatGuyPal · 01-31-2023, 08:58 AM

Even though this is said for every draft class in relation to the last (especially by those with vested interest)

This may be the funniest one yet

foleylion08 · 01-31-2023, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Grid

Nay. But I am not sure what to make of your "overall perspective".

If you are talking about the quality of depth players, IE back up Linebackers or interior linemen. I cant say either way. But if we are just talking about play makers, 2021<2022

Is that "<" going in the right direction? You said nay then say 2022 is greater?

Grid · 01-31-2023, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by foleylion08

Is that "<" going in the right direction? You said nay then say 2022 is greater?

Dammit! The Alligator eats the better one I know this! Fixed LOL

oplum29 · 02-04-2023, 09:03 PM

the 2022 class has some nice players overall, but the 2021 is far better, especially those WRs.

i still think the 2021 QB class will pan out, but not like we expect.

Floridacardguy · 02-05-2023, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by oplum29

the 2022 class has some nice players overall, but the 2021 is far better, especially those WRs.

i still think the 2021 QB class will pan out, but not like we expect.

I think the 2023 class may be better than 2021 or 2022 QB wise anyhow.
And looking ahead, 2024 has a few really good ones too.

chasacar86 · 02-05-2023, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Zauron

lol not even close IMO, and that's if you take QB's out of the equation.

2021:
Chase
Waddle
D. Smith
Surtain
Sewell
Parsons
Slater
N. Harris
Javonte Williams
Etienne

That's just the first round/2nd round basically not even going too deep

2022 might come closer, but right now...no

Hell yeah.

You think Najee's 3.8 ypc and Javonte's multi ligament knee tears in a split backfield midseason surely affecting his 2023 week 1 status are a concern???

THINK AGAIN!!

ninjacookies · 02-05-2023, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Zauron

lol not even close IMO, and that's if you take QB's out of the equation.

2021:
Chase
Waddle
D. Smith
Surtain
Sewell
Parsons
Slater
N. Harris
Javonte Williams
Etienne

That's just the first round/2nd round basically not even going too deep

2022 might come closer, but right now...no

St. Brown may end up having the best career of all of them.

Freiermuth had a respectable year considering the situation at QB in Pittsburgh.

And we haven't even seen what Pitts is capable of given an actual NFL level talent throwing to him.

Gimme 2021 all day; eh day.

oplum29 · 02-05-2023, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

I think the 2023 class may be better than 2021 or 2022 QB wise anyhow.
And looking ahead, 2024 has a few really good ones too.

Purdy by himself was already rivaling the 2021 class, but that injury was a real let down.

the 2021 class won't be the 83' or 04' class, but they'll be good.

2022 is Purdy, Pickett, and Zappe right now that i can think of.

Floridacardguy · 02-05-2023, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by oplum29

Purdy by himself was already rivaling the 2021 class, but that injury was a real let down.

the 2021 class won't be the 83' or 04' class, but they'll be good.

2022 is Purdy, Pickett, and Zappe right now that i can think of.

What do you think happens with Zappe? I don't know a lot about him but wound up with a fair amount of his stuff

ArmyDC · 02-05-2023, 05:15 PM

I honestly don’t have a real feel for 22. I thought Purdy was playing over his head and thought Kenny Pickett played below Mac Jones, Justin Fields and way below TLAW. If it’s like previous years there will probably be someone breakout in a year or two..

Floridacardguy · 02-05-2023, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ArmyDC

I honestly don’t have a real feel for 22. I thought Purdy was playing over his head and thought Kenny Pickett played below Mac Jones, Justin Fields and way below TLAW. If it’s like previous years there will probably be someone breakout in a year or two..

I think Pickett will be good. I don't want to see him lose Diante Johnson. I think Johnson and Pickens can be a really good 1-2 punch. I think Pickett coming in part way thru the season is what held him back. I think next season as a starter from day 1, we will see him step up.

Never really trusted Mac Jones. He just looks....ugh..not that great. He has a good WR in J. Myers but not the kind of big time WR like a Jefferson or Chase. I think another weapon would help.

Fields was showing off what he can do on the move and really excelled this year on his feet, but at the end of the day, he's got to pass sometimes and with that WR corps, I don't see much for him to target. No giant targets or burners. I like Kmet as his TE, and I think they should use him more as a receiver. He had a few good games this year when they targeted him. I know the Bears have some defensive needs, but they should make a splash at WR.

mossoholic · 02-05-2023, 05:31 PM

In terms of the hobby does it even matter? Unless the 2022 class performs somewhere between well above 2021 and slightly below 2020 there is nowhere for all the stuff to move but down. I was just checking presales and 2022 Immaculate is $1500 a box. $1500 a box for what? A 99% chance of taking a loss? In late 2020, when everything was red hot, 2020 Immaculate presale was $800.

Floridacardguy · 02-05-2023, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mossoholic

In terms of the hobby does it even matter? Unless the 2022 class performs somewhere between well above 2021 and slightly below 2020 there is nowhere for all the stuff to move but down. I was just checking presales and 2022 Immaculate is $1500 a box. $1500 a box for what? A 99% chance of taking a loss? In late 2020, when everything was red hot, 2020 Immaculate presale was $800.

Very valid point which is why there is very little I will purchase in the way of licensed hobby boxes. Nothing like spending $400, $600, or $1500 just to pull cards you know you will be lucky to sell for $20 each.

I'll buy low end stuff like Bowman Chrome, etc- it's $125. I can live with that and get 2 autos in a box and a chance at inserts, parallels, etc. But if you are spending 2-3 times that on a hobby box and losing your $$ it makes no sense.

I think this late release 2022 product WILL give 2020 a run for the money, as there are some strong QB prospects coming in draft. Same in 2024 draft for 2023 products.
As long as the 2022 QB class doesn't wind up like the 2006 class, we should have some stars

ninjacookies · 02-05-2023, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mossoholic

In terms of the hobby does it even matter? Unless the 2022 class performs somewhere between well above 2021 and slightly below 2020 there is nowhere for all the stuff to move but down. I was just checking presales and 2022 Immaculate is $1500 a box. $1500 a box for what? A 99% chance of taking a loss? In late 2020, when everything was red hot, 2020 Immaculate presale was $800.

New market paradigm shift: retail thugs tha real MVP's.

I feel the exact opposite of malcontent HODLing these 2021 $29.99 Prizm blasters next to the stash spot.

Best case: Hometown Buffet. Worst case: ramen for another month.

mossoholic · 02-05-2023, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Very valid point which is why there is very little I will purchase in the way of licensed hobby boxes. Nothing like spending $400, $600, or $1500 just to pull cards you know you will be lucky to sell for $20 each.

I'll buy low end stuff like Bowman Chrome, etc- it's $125. I can live with that and get 2 autos in a box and a chance at inserts, parallels, etc. But if you are spending 2-3 times that on a hobby box and losing your $$ it makes no sense.

I think this late release 2022 product WILL give 2020 a run for the money, as there are some strong QB prospects coming in draft. Same in 2024 draft for 2023 products.
As long as the 2022 QB class doesn't wind up like the 2006 class, we should have some stars

I’m assuming you mean 2023 football class not 2022. 2022 right now is a bad class. For the price of the products it’s the worst class in football or basketball for countless years. Is anyone going to make an argument for anyone besides Purdy or Pickett being a star? What’s Pickett’s ceiling? 0.1% chance of being Big Ben? Look at what he sells for. Neither Purdy or Pickett is a top 5 QB drafted in the last 5 years.

Don’t worry. BO and the other money tree members will make sure virtually all pro uniform 2023 football and 2023-24 basketball hobby will be priced to where it will be tough to increase much. Every product of note they will charge 3-15 times what they pay for it before even receiving the product from Panini.

oplum29 · 02-05-2023, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

What do you think happens with Zappe? I don't know a lot about him but wound up with a fair amount of his stuff

he's stuck behind Mac Jones. but he played pretty well when he had the chance to play.

Floridacardguy · 02-05-2023, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mossoholic

I’m assuming you mean 2023 football class not 2022. 2022 right now is a bad class. For the price of the products it’s the worst class in football or basketball for countless years. Is anyone going to make an argument for anyone besides Purdy or Pickett being a star? What’s Pickett’s ceiling? 0.1% chance of being Big Ben? Look at what he sells for. Neither Purdy or Pickett is a top 5 QB drafted in the last 5 years.

Don’t worry. BO and the other money tree members will make sure virtually all pro uniform 2023 football and 2023-24 basketball hobby will be priced to where it will be tough to increase much. Every product of note they will charge 3-15 times what they pay for it before even receiving the product from Panini.

No, I meant the 2022 product with 2023 class. I agree, 2022 class not great. I personally think that Pickett & Purdy are the best 2 QB's of the class so far and can both grow. I also have fingers crossed Ridder surprises too.

Floridacardguy · 02-05-2023, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by oplum29

he's stuck behind Mac Jones. but he played pretty well when he had the chance to play.

Yeah true, and when you look at Mac Jones stats, you can't really do any worse rolling out Zappe. 14 TD passes this year? Really? I had to double check myself. I thought he had close to 20. Zappe only played 4 games and had 5 TD. Then again Mac Jones only played in 14 games, but still that's an average of 1 TD a game and Zappe is slightly better

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Zauron Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 5,569	lol not even close IMO, and that's if you take QB's out of the equation. 2021: Chase Waddle D. Smith Surtain Sewell Parsons Slater N. Harris Javonte Williams Etienne That's just the first round/2nd round basically not even going too deep 2022 might come closer, but right now...no __________________ Champ Bailey Collector! Currently: 909/2602 hermanotarjeta: You've been BRIOSED!!!!!!!!! Last edited by Zauron; 01-31-2023 at 10:14 PM.

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Grid Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 12,893 Gridiron-Gladiators	Nay. But I am not sure what to make of your "overall perspective". If you are talking about the quality of depth players, IE back up Linebackers or interior linemen. I cant say either way. But if we are just talking about play makers, 2021>2022 Last edited by Grid; 01-31-2023 at 10:07 AM.

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oplum29 Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 10,405	the 2022 class has some nice players overall, but the 2021 is far better, especially those WRs. i still think the 2021 QB class will pan out, but not like we expect. __________________ "got em, got em, need em, got em, got em, need em, got em" - Little Monsters

01-31-2023, 08:43 AM	#6
hermanotarjeta Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 20,733	That’s like saying Brock purdy will be better than Trevor Lawrence. That’s a clown statement, bro.

01-31-2023, 08:58 AM	#8
ThatGuyPal Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 3,748	Even though this is said for every draft class in relation to the last (especially by those with vested interest) This may be the funniest one yet

02-05-2023, 05:15 PM	#17
ArmyDC Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 998	I honestly don’t have a real feel for 22. I thought Purdy was playing over his head and thought Kenny Pickett played below Mac Jones, Justin Fields and way below TLAW. If it’s like previous years there will probably be someone breakout in a year or two..

02-05-2023, 05:31 PM	#19
mossoholic Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 6,283	In terms of the hobby does it even matter? Unless the 2022 class performs somewhere between well above 2021 and slightly below 2020 there is nowhere for all the stuff to move but down. I was just checking presales and 2022 Immaculate is $1500 a box. $1500 a box for what? A 99% chance of taking a loss? In late 2020, when everything was red hot, 2020 Immaculate presale was $800.