What grade would you give this card?

bagman1960 · 01-23-2021, 12:39 PM

Based on the pictures what grade would this card most likely receive? Thanks for looking.

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mjohnatgt · 01-23-2021, 01:11 PM

I don't know, maybe an 8.5? Border chipping on the left side and white on the top two corners.

RL 1953 · 01-23-2021, 02:03 PM

I'm thinking a 7

aggie4ever · 01-23-2021, 03:50 PM

No way that is a 7. I understand you are seeing a white corner and minor chipping, but the card is blown up by like 7x or 10x. Look at your cards under 10x magnification, and you are going to see a lot of issues, many of which won't affect the final grade.

Depends on how it looks to the naked eye, but I would expect a 9 with an outside chance at a 10 if it looks good to the naked eye.

bagman1960 · 01-23-2021, 04:32 PM

800 dpi resolution (whatever that means)

bagman1960 · 01-23-2021, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggie4ever

No way that is a 7. I understand you are seeing a white corner and minor chipping, but the card is blown up by like 7x or 10x. Look at your cards under 10x magnification, and you are going to see a lot of issues, many of which won't affect the final grade.

Depends on how it looks to the naked eye, but I would expect a 9 with an outside chance at a 10 if it looks good to the naked eye.

800 dpi resolution (whatever that means)

towerymt · 01-23-2021, 06:57 PM

How's the lower right corner? Can't tell, overexposed bright white, so I don't know if I'm seeing a slight bump. The view from the reverse side makes it look like the edge isn't straight near the tip of the corner.

Top 2 corners look OK, but have to check them on an angle under bright light. Sometimes a dinged corner passes the test under magnification when still in a sleeve/top loader, and this flat scan is like that.

This card passes phase 1: would I remove it from a sleeve for further inspection? Yes. Will it gem based on what is shown? Unknowable.

bagman1960 · 01-23-2021, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by towerymt

How's the lower right corner? Can't tell, overexposed bright white, so I don't know if I'm seeing a slight bump. The view from the reverse side makes it look like the edge isn't straight near the tip of the corner.

Top 2 corners look OK, but have to check them on an angle under bright light. Sometimes a dinged corner passes the test under magnification when still in a sleeve/top loader, and this flat scan is like that.

This card passes phase 1: would I remove it from a sleeve for further inspection? Yes. Will it gem based on what is shown? Unknowable.

All great points. Thank you.

Card is not in a sleeve in the above scans.

Phase 1 for me is looking at the card under heavy light to check for dinged corners, obvious defects, etc. Eliminates unnecessary scanning.

Phase 2 is magnification, front top, front bottom, then back top and back bottom. Then the corners only if needed.

Appreciate the input.

kabrune2 · 01-23-2021, 10:54 PM

Hearing, reading, and my own recent grading experiences say there’s a better chance this receives a PSA 8 instead of a PSA 9... 1 year ago I’d have said PSA 9 9 out of 10 times, and a PSA 10 if you got lucky with the right grader. PSA has tightened their grading standards this year and they aren’t handing out 10’s willy-nilly anymore, especially with paper stock.

Cardwax · 01-26-2021, 10:06 PM

8-8.5/prayer for a 9

rwperu34 · 01-27-2021, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggie4ever

No way that is a 7. I understand you are seeing a white corner and minor chipping, but the card is blown up by like 7x or 10x. Look at your cards under 10x magnification, and you are going to see a lot of issues, many of which won't affect the final grade.

Depends on how it looks to the naked eye, but I would expect a 9 with an outside chance at a 10 if it looks good to the naked eye.

I only look at mine with 10x magnification. Am I doing it wrong?

mmayville · 01-27-2021, 09:44 AM

Without having the card in hand to see the surface, I wouldn't put forth an opinion.
In my experience, the surface has issues as often as corners do, especially in "fresh from the pack" cards.

Cardwax · 01-27-2021, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmayville

Without having the card in hand to see the surface, I wouldn't put forth an opinion.
In my experience, the surface has issues as often as corners do, especially in "fresh from the pack" cards.

Agreed. I like the eBay sellers who get mad when I ask questions about the surface. They respond with the good ol’ “pack to top loader”. Which tells me NOTHING.

towerymt · 01-27-2021, 02:41 PM

Some NM-MT'ish cards I've sold raw recently, with these pictures used in my listings to show the damage. All of this more or less disappears when photographed straight on. I won't send low-end cards for grading with anything close to this. These are worse than most when it comes to surface damage, but they were easy to photograph and show.

"pack fresh" surface dimple on the back (just got positive feedback on this one today, as a matter of fact)

"straight to top loader" surface dents:

scratch marks near the topps logo:

The Tatis was a Walgreens yellow parallel I would have sent for grading..but it was unlikely to gem with that dimple. That card is pop 1 in PSA-10 right now, so probably worth quite a bit more in a PSA-10 holder than the $14 I sold it for.

Sending cards like that hoping for a '10' is how you get back an order with a low gem rate.

My first few submissions, I sent borderline cards to learn what gets accepted. Take notes and try to learn from prior efforts and you should get better over time.

mmayville · 01-28-2021, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by towerymt

Sending cards like that hoping for a '10' is how you get back an order with a low gem rate.

My first few submissions, I sent borderline cards to learn what gets accepted. Take notes and try to learn from prior efforts and you should get better over time.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This!

bagman1960 · 01-28-2021, 08:51 AM

Sending cards like that hoping for a '10' is how you get back an order with a low gem rate. [/QUOTE]

Absolutely 100% correct. If I see anything wrong with a card I do not submit for grading.

BraveAtlanta · 01-28-2021, 11:24 AM

PSA 8 at best. If you only had one white corner, it could possibly get a 9 as long as the edges and surface was ok.

twist1one · 01-30-2021, 09:03 PM

im with these guys if your going to psa your looking at a 9 best case. i cant see the surface to tell that.

Spicoli · 02-01-2021, 12:04 AM

I'd guess 8 and need to look at it closer.

gregggyf · 02-01-2021, 10:22 AM

Good Morning All,

Does anyone know if graders are required to perform any of their functions with the use of a magnification device,.... or is it optional.

Thank you.

01-23-2021, 12:39 PM	#1
bagman1960 Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 213	What grade would you give this card? Based on the pictures what grade would this card most likely receive? Thanks for looking.

01-23-2021, 04:32 PM	#5
bagman1960 Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 213	800 dpi resolution (whatever that means) Last edited by bagman1960; 01-23-2021 at 04:36 PM.

01-23-2021, 06:57 PM	#7
towerymt Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: VA Posts: 9,159	How's the lower right corner? Can't tell, overexposed bright white, so I don't know if I'm seeing a slight bump. The view from the reverse side makes it look like the edge isn't straight near the tip of the corner. Top 2 corners look OK, but have to check them on an angle under bright light. Sometimes a dinged corner passes the test under magnification when still in a sleeve/top loader, and this flat scan is like that. This card passes phase 1: would I remove it from a sleeve for further inspection? Yes. Will it gem based on what is shown? Unknowable. __________________ In search of... 2018 Topps Chrome Update Max Scherzer #HMT77: Superfractor 2019 Topps Update Carter Kieboom #US109: Platinum

01-27-2021, 09:44 AM	#12
mmayville Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 3,046 mmayville	Without having the card in hand to see the surface, I wouldn't put forth an opinion. In my experience, the surface has issues as often as corners do, especially in "fresh from the pack" cards. __________________ Always interested in High end Rookies and autos, White Sparkles, Tatum, Drake Maye .... and resell lots.

01-27-2021, 02:41 PM	#14
towerymt Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: VA Posts: 9,159	Some NM-MT'ish cards I've sold raw recently, with these pictures used in my listings to show the damage. All of this more or less disappears when photographed straight on. I won't send low-end cards for grading with anything close to this. These are worse than most when it comes to surface damage, but they were easy to photograph and show. "pack fresh" surface dimple on the back (just got positive feedback on this one today, as a matter of fact) "straight to top loader" surface dents: scratch marks near the topps logo: The Tatis was a Walgreens yellow parallel I would have sent for grading..but it was unlikely to gem with that dimple. That card is pop 1 in PSA-10 right now, so probably worth quite a bit more in a PSA-10 holder than the $14 I sold it for. Sending cards like that hoping for a '10' is how you get back an order with a low gem rate. My first few submissions, I sent borderline cards to learn what gets accepted. Take notes and try to learn from prior efforts and you should get better over time. __________________ In search of... 2018 Topps Chrome Update Max Scherzer #HMT77: Superfractor 2019 Topps Update Carter Kieboom #US109: Platinum

01-23-2021, 01:11 PM	#2
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,948 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	I don't know, maybe an 8.5? Border chipping on the left side and white on the top two corners.

01-23-2021, 02:03 PM	#3
RL 1953 Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Michigan Posts: 980	I'm thinking a 7

01-23-2021, 03:50 PM	#4
aggie4ever Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 6,866 aggie4ever	No way that is a 7. I understand you are seeing a white corner and minor chipping, but the card is blown up by like 7x or 10x. Look at your cards under 10x magnification, and you are going to see a lot of issues, many of which won't affect the final grade. Depends on how it looks to the naked eye, but I would expect a 9 with an outside chance at a 10 if it looks good to the naked eye.

01-23-2021, 10:54 PM	#9
kabrune2 Banned Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 1,360	Hearing, reading, and my own recent grading experiences say there’s a better chance this receives a PSA 8 instead of a PSA 9... 1 year ago I’d have said PSA 9 9 out of 10 times, and a PSA 10 if you got lucky with the right grader. PSA has tightened their grading standards this year and they aren’t handing out 10’s willy-nilly anymore, especially with paper stock.

01-26-2021, 10:06 PM	#10
Cardwax Banned Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Chicago Posts: 273 indcolts18287-2	8-8.5/prayer for a 9

01-28-2021, 08:51 AM	#16
bagman1960 Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 213	Sending cards like that hoping for a '10' is how you get back an order with a low gem rate. [/QUOTE] Absolutely 100% correct. If I see anything wrong with a card I do not submit for grading.

01-28-2021, 11:24 AM	#17
BraveAtlanta Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: BullDawg Country Posts: 1,075	PSA 8 at best. If you only had one white corner, it could possibly get a 9 as long as the edges and surface was ok.

01-30-2021, 09:03 PM	#18
twist1one Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 94 DGCardAuctions	im with these guys if your going to psa your looking at a 9 best case. i cant see the surface to tell that.

02-01-2021, 12:04 AM	#19
Spicoli Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Earth Posts: 293	I'd guess 8 and need to look at it closer.

02-01-2021, 10:22 AM	#20
gregggyf Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 348 gregggyf	Good Morning All, Does anyone know if graders are required to perform any of their functions with the use of a magnification device,.... or is it optional. Thank you.