Cards you send to other grading companies

[vonhayes]

Hey everyone,

Since PSA grading has become more expensive, Im curious what types of cards people send where (outside PSA). This is who I use for what - interested in what you all do.

Beckett - autos, thick cards, 1990 Hoops, PC (Flyers YG)

SGC - pre-war, black+white cards, die cuts

CGC - Gaming, PC (modern Eagles),
refractors


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[KGD54]

About a year ago CGC was $10 a card for members, so i would send lower end cards i wanted slabbed to them. Also printing plates and error cards as they will slab errors.
I used to send vintage to SGC but really dont any more.
I really do not have any plans to send much to grading any more other than bulk to PSA via gamestop and dual grading straight to PSA. I would consider CGC and BGS in the future though, especially if CGC/JSA dual service was cheaper than PSA

[Dereth]

BGS - Thick cards and autos.
SGC - Vintage that PSA undergrades.

I would love it if CGC's resale values would increase and make them a viable alternative to PSA.

[vonhayes]

Originally Posted by KGD54

I really do not have any plans to send much to grading any more other than bulk to PSA via gamestop and dual grading straight to PSA. I would consider CGC and BGS in the future though, especially if CGC/JSA dual service was cheaper than PSA

Like you did with GameStop, I just sent my first PSA grading submission through COMC. Really just avoiding the $149 membership fee, which is insane. I got a few decent cards from it, but overall I could pass on Loupe credits (if PSA even still offers it)

Originally Posted by Dereth

I would love it if CGC's resale values would increase and make them a viable alternative to PSA.

I’ve sold some stuff with CGC but you are right, everything sold was a 10 and I received about 60% of what a PSA 10 would get. I’ve never gotten a CGC Pristine so I don’t know if that closes the gap. I do like that I’ve gotten a couple bumps on crossovers from CGC.


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[RKH916]

I send everything to Beckett. Not changing anytime soon unless they give up and fold.

I used to send my flip cards to PSA because of the added margins, but I refuse to fuel the irrational PSA premium anymore

[towerymt]

Cards with pinched corners from screw-downs go to SGC.

Everything else to PSA.

[vonhayes]

Originally Posted by towerymt

Cards with pinched corners from screw-downs go to SGC.

That’s an interesting tip - thanks. Ive noticed SGC is also way more forgiving on the back of the card (centering and print lines) than PSA. I have gotten some significantly higher re-grades over that.

Originally Posted by RKH916

I send everything to Beckett. Not changing anytime soon unless they give up and fold.

I like Beckett too. Just a matter of dealing with the long turnaround times. For a while I was hoping CGC would buy them and keep the brand like PSA did w/ SGC, but that seems unlikely.


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[FT35]

Originally Posted by vonhayes

That’s an interesting tip - thanks. Ive noticed SGC is also way more forgiving on the back of the card (centering and print lines) than PSA. I have gotten some significantly higher re-grades over that.

This is why I don’t buy cards graded by other companies. That SGC 9 could be an accurately graded PSA 4 in disguise. You just don’t know what you’re getting.

Now that said…you aren’t exactly getting accuracy from PSA…

[inaka]

Originally Posted by FT35

This is why I don’t buy cards graded by other companies. That SGC 9 could be an accurately graded PSA 4 in disguise. you just don’t know what you’re getting.

An "accurately graded PSA 4"?

Have you seen the multiple videos and stories of people sharing their PSA crackouts that get grades all over the map, that differed from their previous PSA grades? PSA is the most inconsistent grader out there. When you grade a million cards a month and have multiple locations, etc., it's bo wonder their grading accuracy is in the toilet.

Each grading company places an emphasis on different things. SGC places a large emphasis on eye appeal and centering. PSA really takes off points for the corners, and back centering can be trash and still get a PSA 10.

Too many people worried about the flip/label and not the card.
It's actually about the card. No grading company is perfect, but saying PSA is accurate and other companies "you just don’t know what you’re getting" has to be one of the oddest takes I've read here if you know about grading.

[jtclockwork]

I'm not sure now as SGC's research department is apparently gutted and didn't grade 8 of 26 cards in my order.

I'll probably reup with CGC next year for non-sport submissions and obscure sports issues.
I have a few higher end pre-war cards I'll still submit to SGC next year, but around 1,000 less cards than I was planning to submit after this current order.
I don't send anything to PSA anymore. If they do a worthwhile special before my membership lapses, I'll do it. Otherwise, no. I only submit auto authentications through group sub.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by FT35

This is why I don’t buy cards graded by other companies. That SGC 9 could be an accurately graded PSA 4 in disguise. You just don’t know what you’re getting.

Now that said…you aren’t exactly getting accuracy from PSA…

That is why I don't buy graded cards, from any grading company. Buy raw, inspect myself, and grade if I want to. I will buy low graded vintage of big cards or if I get a killer deal, but that is about it. I also like to handle and learn about cards. My first T206, E-90, 1933 Goudey, etc... were all raw. Getting my first T204 Ramly and it is raw as well. Handling cards like this is a great education that hardly anyone has anymore in the hobby.

[FT35]

Originally Posted by inaka

An "accurately graded PSA 4"?

Have you seen the multiple videos and stories of people sharing their PSA crackouts that get grades all over the map, that differed from their previous PSA grades? PSA is the most inconsistent grader out there. When you grade a million cards a month and have multiple locations, etc., it's bo wonder their grading accuracy is in the toilet.

Each grading company places an emphasis on different things. SGC places a large emphasis on eye appeal and centering. PSA really takes off points for the corners, and back centering can be trash and still get a PSA 10.

Too many people worried about the flip/label and not the card.
It's actually about the card. No grading company is perfect, but saying PSA is accurate and other companies "you just don’t know what you’re getting" has to be one of the oddest takes I've read here if you know about grading.

For sure! It’s hard to defend PSA now—I was more speaking about when they were grading more accurately.

Let me amend…a card with pressed corners is not graded by PSA and returned as “altered.” It’s entirely possible for a card with pressed corners to not only get graded, but receive a high grade with another company. If someone purchases that card in an SGC slab, they would not be happy if the corners were pressed because it’s understood that cards with pressed corners can be considered altered.

Same goes for miscuts. You could get an SGC graded card that is a miscut—whereas those cards are tossed. So there’s another group of buyers who should beware. If you’re buying an SGC 9 looking to crack for a PSA crossover, you might end up with an ungradeable card.

[inaka]

Originally Posted by FT35

For sure! It’s hard to defend PSA now—I was more speaking about when they were grading more accurately.

Let me amend…a card with pressed corners is not graded by PSA and returned as “altered.” It’s entirely possible for a card with pressed corners to not only get graded, but receive a high grade with another company. If someone purchases that card in an SGC slab, they would not be happy if the corners were pressed because it’s understood that cards with pressed corners can be considered altered.

Same goes for miscuts. You could get an SGC graded card that is a miscut—whereas those cards are tossed. So there’s another group of buyers who should beware. If you’re buying an SGC 9 looking to crack for a PSA crossover, you might end up with an ungradeable card.

Everything you're saying is true, but so is the opposite. It seems like you're thinking the opposite isn't true. PSA literally can't detect trimmed cards, and quite often grades them. Then, now, and likely forever. Have you seen the number of trimmed cards that PSA has graded in the altered card database thread? Vast majority are trimmed PSA cards that started out as honest SGC graded cards.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1290614

SGC is way better at detecting vintage trimming. Again, no company is perfect, but PSA is a joke at detecting trimmed cards. So one could also crack out an SGC Authentic "evidence of trimming" card and submit it to PSA for a grade, sometimes a high grade. So it's not like these things you're describing are immune to PSA. In fact, with the high volume PSA is handling it's far more likely for PSA to to allow for all kinds of shenanigans to slip through the cracks now more than ever, since they're all about the high volume churn & burn. But even years ago, PSA was terrible at detecting trimmed cards and lets them through easier than James Harden playing defense.

[gospeed3]

I go CGC If i have stuff that i thinks gonna possibly pristine 10. I think the slab is the best looking and if im gonna sell, i Know it ll get as good or better than Psa.

[FT35]

Originally Posted by inaka

Everything you're saying is true, but so is the opposite. It seems like you're thinking the opposite isn't true. PSA literally can't detect trimmed cards, and quite often grades them. Then, now, and likely forever. Have you seen the number of trimmed cards that PSA has graded in the altered card database thread? Vast majority are trimmed PSA cards that started out as honest SGC graded cards.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1290614

SGC is way better at detecting vintage trimming. Again, no company is perfect, but PSA is a joke at detecting trimmed cards. So one could also crack out an SGC Authentic "evidence of trimming" card and submit it to PSA for a grade, sometimes a high grade. So it's not like these things you're describing are immune to PSA. In fact, with the high volume PSA is handling it's far more likely for PSA to to allow for all kinds of shenanigans to slip through the cracks now more than ever, since they're all about the high volume churn & burn. But even years ago, PSA was terrible at detecting trimmed cards and lets them through easier than James Harden playing defense.

Can’t argue with ya! They’ve definitely done these things to themselves and the hit to their brand has been significant. I don’t know if it will impact them in any way or not.

[inaka]

Originally Posted by FT35

Can’t argue with ya! They’ve definitely done these things to themselves and the hit to their brand has been significant. I don’t know if it will impact them in any way or not.

We're both in agreement for the most part. To me, all of these grading companies suck now, it's just now you get to choose how you'd like to get screwed over.

My goto company for grading is SGC for vintage PC stuff. But again, they're hanging on by a thread since Collector's Universe is willfully starving them to death. So they're my goto grading company until the next move Collector's Universe makes to intentionally ruin the company.

[discodanman45]

I don't care where people send cards, but don't send CGC Tall Boys.

[RKH916]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

I don't care where people send cards, but don't send CGC Tall Boys.

LMAO

That is atrocious

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by RKH916

LMAO

That is atrocious

It actually looks better in the picture. It is a glorified card saver they use for oversized items.

Edit: It looks like they are trying and have actual slabs now. Saw some on COMC. They are using an insert plastic sleeve, so it still looks horrific. Just make a nice slab for tall boys CGC, it isn't that hard.

[vonhayes]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

I don't care where people send cards, but don't send CGC Tall Boys.

OMG! Dan - have I got a trade proposal for you….




NOTE: This was the their seller ready image. I think they used a drone

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[KeltonB]

Double post.

[KeltonB]

Yeeeeeshhhh.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

It actually looks better in the picture. It is a glorified card saver they use for oversized items.

Edit: It looks like they are trying and have actual slabs now. Saw some on COMC. They are using an insert plastic sleeve, so it still looks horrific. Just make a nice slab for tall boys CGC, it isn't that hard.

Those are a big step forward. At least it is a slab. You could put it a box and feel like you are going to bend the card.