Jordan RC Crossover or crack and submit

lakesidez · 01-02-2025, 05:05 PM

Looking for some advice, honestly I'm only wanting to crack because I want my Jordan rookie slabbed in a PSA holder. I guess I'm torn; do I just do a crossover submission and put a minimum grade of a 7, ensuring it should get (hopefully) slabbed at least as a 7? Or do I crack and submit with the Hail Mary it stays an 8? I know I could crossover and min grade an 8 on my submission, but then I really risk it not getting slabbed by PSA in the first place since I'm just so torn when looking at the card and thinking PSA would keep it the same as Beckett.
Thoughts?

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1986-87 BASK Fleer Michael Jordan BGS 8 Front by SportsCardGuys LakesideZ, on Flickr[/IMG]

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1986-87 BASK Fleer Michael Jordan BGS 8 Back by SportsCardGuys LakesideZ, on Flickr[/IMG]

REGGIE206 · 01-02-2025, 06:08 PM

Have you thought about selling that BGS 8, then use the money on a PSA MJ RC?

PSA has been very strict with the MJ RC. If you crack that open and submit it, you’ll take a risk of getting that back in a PSA 6?

Looks like a BGS 8 has been selling around $5000 to $5800? PSA 7’s have been selling around that same price.

I would suggest selling that BGS 8 and use the money on a nicely centered MJ RC in a PSA slab?

towerymt · 01-02-2025, 06:18 PM

I'd try min grade 7 cross before I cracked it.

Look for actual crossover success (not just grade, but getting it holdered at all by PSA on a cross)....the point of this thread, I hope.

If you put min 7 and it didn't cross, I'd have to think that PSA sees something they don't like. So probably not much benefit to crack & sub raw at that point.

I'd personally rather risk the added cost of a wasted sub over the risk of getting it back raw or lower than 7.

Good luck. Card looks sharp, seems 8-worthy to me.

Bosoxfan5990 · 01-02-2025, 06:25 PM

You have the 7.5 grade on the subgrade PSA is most lenient with, fwiw.

GuacamoleCards · 01-02-2025, 06:30 PM

Those don't look like 9 edges to me... that would be my biggest concern - that they get graded lower and you come back with grade you didn't want.

RAV2773 · 01-02-2025, 06:32 PM

Ibwould definitely not crack it. I would sell it and then look to buy a better centered PSA 7. Even if you have to pay a little more, you will still have the PSA 7 that you want if you crossed this one over, but it would be a better centered copy

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RKH916 · 01-02-2025, 06:33 PM

Why do you need to cross it to PSA? Looking to flip it?

Otherwise I don't see the point. I'd be keeping it BGS.

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Originally Posted by GuacamoleCards

Those don't look like 9 edges to me... that would be my biggest concern - that they get graded lower and you come back with grade you didn't want.

Yes, they'd love the centering, but I think they'd kill him on edges.

bloodwings19 · 01-02-2025, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RKH916

Otherwise I don't see the point. I'd be keeping it BGS.

+1. People buying this card will be looking at the card first before dropping money. Re-submitting, you run the risk of losing the card, or lowering the grade even if you put minimum grade.

ThatGuyPal · 01-02-2025, 07:30 PM

Stop being a hypebeast and keep it BGS. If you wanted it in a PSA holder you would of bought that in the first place or graded with them. You just want to switch as PSA has overtaken BGS as the cute girl at the party lol

lakesidez · 01-02-2025, 07:53 PM

I really do appreciate all of your thoughts and insights, maybe I do just need to get over my own personal mental blockade around only wanting PSA cards in my collection. I did have a PSA 9 Jordan, sold it when the hype was kinda in the tail-end, but it still command decent $. I had always planned on buying a lower grade Jordan to replace my 9, which is when the BGS 8 ended at a decent price, I think $4200 ish when I bought it. For me I care more about having cards with decent eye appeal versus needing a 9 or 10. If you look ay my flickr page this is the only non-PSA card I have........but as I type I'm leaning towards and really asking myself why I feel so negative about BGS, LOL.

waulk11 · 01-02-2025, 08:32 PM

Reslab to the silver bgs label then auction?

REGGIE206 · 01-02-2025, 10:03 PM

I actually did the same and upgraded my off-centered BGS 5 for a centered PSA 5. I paid cash for the difference. I am very satisfied with my MJ RC.

You do what makes you happy. If you definitely want a PSA MJ RC and have the means to make it happen, do it. Collect how you want.

Beavers98 · 01-02-2025, 11:44 PM

I couldn't find it, but someone posted a similar question recently All the PSA stans are like that will be PSA 5-6 and other oblivious comments, It came back just as high or higher from PSA. OP I'd keep it as is unless you're really looking to cash out with the absurd amount of PSA love.

MJGOAT23 · 01-03-2025, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Beavers98

I couldn't find it, but someone posted a similar question recently All the PSA stans are like that will be PSA 5-6 and other oblivious comments, It came back just as high or higher from PSA. OP I'd keep it as is unless you're really looking to cash out with the absurd amount of PSA love.

not sure about that one but this one actually does look closer to a PSA 6 with the amount of white that is showing and how strict PSA seems with that type of wear.

mjohnatgt · 01-03-2025, 10:10 AM

The 9 edges was a gift grade from BGS; this set is not known for that level of chipping/rough cut.

PSA may not even crack out an 86 Fleer Jordan on crossover because of the sheer number that were originally put in screwdown holders and it being unlikely to check the width of the card through the slab.

stanmarsh · 01-03-2025, 10:47 AM

Buy the stuff from kurts cards on ig and clean and repair your card. I did it and my grade went up 1.5 points.

mc1 · 01-03-2025, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beavers98

I couldn't find it, but someone posted a similar question recently All the PSA stans are like that will be PSA 5-6 and other oblivious comments, It came back just as high or higher from PSA. OP I'd keep it as is unless you're really looking to cash out with the absurd amount of PSA love.

Did you even look at the card in OP? Those edges are horrible. Clearly overgraded.

Beavers98 · 01-03-2025, 12:16 PM

I knew the PSA defenders would come out in full force. Yes I looked at the card. Just a quick search first PSA-8 that comes up for sale on ebay (seller:4sharpcorners) has similar chipping on the left side and horrible centering. To say this card has no shot at at 8 is laughable IMO, but I said keep it as is.

Promethius88 · 01-03-2025, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Beavers98

I knew the PSA defenders would come out in full force. Yes I looked at the card. Just a quick search first PSA-8 that comes up for sale on ebay (seller:4sharpcorners) has similar chipping on the left side and horrible centering. To say this card has no shot at at 8 is laughable IMO, but I said keep it as is.

LOL... a lot of 4SC cards are over graded. That doesn't make your argument any better.
The only way that card crosses to a PSA 8 is if 4SC submits it or Stevie Wonder is your grader the day it shows up.

DaveedTO · 01-03-2025, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beavers98

I couldn't find it, but someone posted a similar question recently All the PSA stans are like that will be PSA 5-6 and other oblivious comments, It came back just as high or higher from PSA. OP I'd keep it as is unless you're really looking to cash out with the absurd amount of PSA love.

Here's the post from 11-24-2022

I predicted a PSA9!! (11-27-2022, 8:23 PM)

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1539843

https://www.psacard.com/cert/70200577

mc1 · 01-03-2025, 03:02 PM

Buy the card, not the label. I see two BGS 8 Jordan RCs but one looks better than the other.

MJGOAT23 · 01-03-2025, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mc1

Buy the card, not the label. I see two BGS 8 Jordan RCs but one looks better than the other.

Exactly. The second BGS 8 was limited by BGS for centering but it passes the threshold for 9 centering at PSA. The rest of the card is clean. The one in the OP is not. It has soft(ish) corners and a lot of white showing. People aren't "PSA defenders", everyone is just explaining how PSA would view the card.

Also, fwiw, a crossover game I used to play when the prices were in the 100's, not 1000's, was buying centered PSA 6's and 7's and sending them to BGS knowing they could get an 8+ because of how much whitening BGS allows at those levels (i.e 8-8.5, even most BGS 9's have clear whitening on a corner and/or edge)

kipgen · 01-03-2025, 03:08 PM

Yeah are we really gonna act like that BGS 8 looks like OP's? There are some serious glaring issues with OP's card that yours doesn't have (the edges are the biggest one)

I don't think people are trying to say that PSA is some bastion of integrity when it comes to grading but they're way way more likely to downgrade you than upgrade you

The smartest solution in this thread so far has been to sell the BGS 8 and use that to finance the PSA 8, that should get you most of the way there and then add some cash on top if you need to

mc1 · 01-03-2025, 03:14 PM

BGS is more strict on centering, PSA is more strict on corners. The second BGS 8 posted looks ok except for centering. I think the OP 8 is also harshly graded due to bad centering on the back.

Beavers98 · 01-03-2025, 10:21 PM

Thanks DaveedTO for finding that....Yes I agree that one is better than the OP, the subgrades and my eyes see that. BUT this one went from a BGS 8 - to a PSA-9. Not 8 to 8. the lowly BGS-8 became a mighty PSA-9... HAHA Again the OP card is not at that level, It might be 7 but if an 8 can become a 9 I don't know why this one has no chance of an 8. Looks like I had it right back in this post too.

"Congrats on the crossover. PSA fanbois in a tizzy trying to explain the BGS 8 To PSA 9. When will people realize the PSA hype is just that. hype. The pumpers really did a number on a lot of people"

01-02-2025, 05:05 PM	#1
lakesidez Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 6,745	Jordan RC Crossover or crack and submit Looking for some advice, honestly I'm only wanting to crack because I want my Jordan rookie slabbed in a PSA holder. I guess I'm torn; do I just do a crossover submission and put a minimum grade of a 7, ensuring it should get (hopefully) slabbed at least as a 7? Or do I crack and submit with the Hail Mary it stays an 8? I know I could crossover and min grade an 8 on my submission, but then I really risk it not getting slabbed by PSA in the first place since I'm just so torn when looking at the card and thinking PSA would keep it the same as Beckett. Thoughts? [IMG]1986-87 BASK Fleer Michael Jordan BGS 8 Front by SportsCardGuys LakesideZ, on Flickr[/IMG] [IMG]1986-87 BASK Fleer Michael Jordan BGS 8 Back by SportsCardGuys LakesideZ, on Flickr[/IMG] __________________ Twitter @sportscardguys My collection: https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAowdx

01-02-2025, 06:08 PM	#2
REGGIE206 Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Mukilteo, WA (hometown: Vallejo, CA) Posts: 9,785	Have you thought about selling that BGS 8, then use the money on a PSA MJ RC? PSA has been very strict with the MJ RC. If you crack that open and submit it, you’ll take a risk of getting that back in a PSA 6? Looks like a BGS 8 has been selling around $5000 to $5800? PSA 7’s have been selling around that same price. I would suggest selling that BGS 8 and use the money on a nicely centered MJ RC in a PSA slab? Last edited by REGGIE206; 01-02-2025 at 06:13 PM.

01-02-2025, 06:18 PM	#3
towerymt Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: VA Posts: 8,793	I'd try min grade 7 cross before I cracked it. Look for actual crossover success (not just grade, but getting it holdered at all by PSA on a cross)....the point of this thread, I hope. If you put min 7 and it didn't cross, I'd have to think that PSA sees something they don't like. So probably not much benefit to crack & sub raw at that point. I'd personally rather risk the added cost of a wasted sub over the risk of getting it back raw or lower than 7. Good luck. Card looks sharp, seems 8-worthy to me. __________________ In search of... 2018 Topps Chrome Update Max Scherzer #HMT77: Superfractor 2019 Topps Update Carter Kieboom #US109: Platinum

01-02-2025, 06:25 PM	#4
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01-02-2025, 07:53 PM	#10
lakesidez Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 6,745	I really do appreciate all of your thoughts and insights, maybe I do just need to get over my own personal mental blockade around only wanting PSA cards in my collection. I did have a PSA 9 Jordan, sold it when the hype was kinda in the tail-end, but it still command decent $. I had always planned on buying a lower grade Jordan to replace my 9, which is when the BGS 8 ended at a decent price, I think $4200 ish when I bought it. For me I care more about having cards with decent eye appeal versus needing a 9 or 10. If you look ay my flickr page this is the only non-PSA card I have........but as I type I'm leaning towards and really asking myself why I feel so negative about BGS, LOL. __________________ Twitter @sportscardguys My collection: https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAowdx

01-02-2025, 06:30 PM	#5
GuacamoleCards Member Join Date: Aug 2024 Posts: 195 guacamolecards	Those don't look like 9 edges to me... that would be my biggest concern - that they get graded lower and you come back with grade you didn't want.

01-02-2025, 06:32 PM	#6
RAV2773 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: NJ Posts: 4,837 baseballking973	Ibwould definitely not crack it. I would sell it and then look to buy a better centered PSA 7. Even if you have to pay a little more, you will still have the PSA 7 that you want if you crossed this one over, but it would be a better centered copy Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk

01-02-2025, 07:30 PM	#9
ThatGuyPal Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 4,150	Stop being a hypebeast and keep it BGS. If you wanted it in a PSA holder you would of bought that in the first place or graded with them. You just want to switch as PSA has overtaken BGS as the cute girl at the party lol

01-02-2025, 08:32 PM	#11
waulk11 Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 3,795	Reslab to the silver bgs label then auction? __________________ PC:Adrian Gonzalez. Antoine Walker. A&G gu/relic mini frame https://www.flickr.com/photos/151259016@N03/albums/with/72157688510778762 http://s1094.photobucket.com/albums/i454/waulk11/

01-02-2025, 10:03 PM	#12
REGGIE206 Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Mukilteo, WA (hometown: Vallejo, CA) Posts: 9,785	I actually did the same and upgraded my off-centered BGS 5 for a centered PSA 5. I paid cash for the difference. I am very satisfied with my MJ RC. You do what makes you happy. If you definitely want a PSA MJ RC and have the means to make it happen, do it. Collect how you want.

01-02-2025, 11:44 PM	#13
Beavers98 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ames, IA Posts: 11,046 beavers98	I couldn't find it, but someone posted a similar question recently All the PSA stans are like that will be PSA 5-6 and other oblivious comments, It came back just as high or higher from PSA. OP I'd keep it as is unless you're really looking to cash out with the absurd amount of PSA love.

01-03-2025, 10:10 AM	#15
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,660 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	The 9 edges was a gift grade from BGS; this set is not known for that level of chipping/rough cut. PSA may not even crack out an 86 Fleer Jordan on crossover because of the sheer number that were originally put in screwdown holders and it being unlikely to check the width of the card through the slab.

01-03-2025, 10:47 AM	#16
stanmarsh Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: mianus Mass Posts: 808	Buy the stuff from kurts cards on ig and clean and repair your card. I did it and my grade went up 1.5 points. __________________ Release the Epstein files

01-03-2025, 12:16 PM	#18
Beavers98 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ames, IA Posts: 11,046 beavers98	I knew the PSA defenders would come out in full force. Yes I looked at the card. Just a quick search first PSA-8 that comes up for sale on ebay (seller:4sharpcorners) has similar chipping on the left side and horrible centering. To say this card has no shot at at 8 is laughable IMO, but I said keep it as is.

01-03-2025, 03:02 PM	#21
mc1 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 11,208	Buy the card, not the label. I see two BGS 8 Jordan RCs but one looks better than the other. __________________ B.I.D.

01-03-2025, 03:08 PM	#23
kipgen Member Join Date: May 2024 Posts: 1,316	Yeah are we really gonna act like that BGS 8 looks like OP's? There are some serious glaring issues with OP's card that yours doesn't have (the edges are the biggest one) I don't think people are trying to say that PSA is some bastion of integrity when it comes to grading but they're way way more likely to downgrade you than upgrade you The smartest solution in this thread so far has been to sell the BGS 8 and use that to finance the PSA 8, that should get you most of the way there and then add some cash on top if you need to

01-03-2025, 03:14 PM	#24
mc1 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 11,208	BGS is more strict on centering, PSA is more strict on corners. The second BGS 8 posted looks ok except for centering. I think the OP 8 is also harshly graded due to bad centering on the back. __________________ B.I.D.

01-03-2025, 10:21 PM	#25
Beavers98 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ames, IA Posts: 11,046 beavers98	Thanks DaveedTO for finding that....Yes I agree that one is better than the OP, the subgrades and my eyes see that. BUT this one went from a BGS 8 - to a PSA-9. Not 8 to 8. the lowly BGS-8 became a mighty PSA-9... HAHA Again the OP card is not at that level, It might be 7 but if an 8 can become a 9 I don't know why this one has no chance of an 8. Looks like I had it right back in this post too. "Congrats on the crossover. PSA fanbois in a tizzy trying to explain the BGS 8 To PSA 9. When will people realize the PSA hype is just that. hype. The pumpers really did a number on a lot of people"