Blowout Dynasty League: Year 1

[cromartie3145]

ESPN League Home Page: http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/leagueo...&seasonId=2015

Hey everyone. One member gave me the great idea to get this thread going so that we can all view each other's input and work together to get this league going.

Here's a reiteration of what I sent out to everyone:

Hello everyone! Thank you for your interest in starting a dynasty league.

Before I get into the details as well as pose questions to each of you in order to shape this league, I need to emphasize the importance of being an 'active owner'. What makes a dynasty league so appealing is the idea that the year essentially never ends as trades can happen at any point throughout the year. Therefore, in order to get the best results for this league, we need members that will be committed to this league for the long term and be active on a weekly basis. Nothing kills a dynasty league faster than when members of the league are not engaged.

So first and foremost PLEASE confirm with me that you will be an active owner!

Now it's time to get down to the details.

1. Payouts and Payments: Here's what I have in mind:

We commit to 3 years to begin, with payments being as follows:

A. Year One Payments- $35
B. Year Two Payments- $25
C. Year Three Payments- $15

This way, people have an incentive to play into year 2 as they would have already put a sort of 'down payment' for future years. By doing this, the payouts would be as follows:


League Champion- $150
Runner Up- $75
3rd Place Team- $25
Team With Most Overall Points- $50

So that's what I have in mind as far as payouts/payment. Again, I am open to suggestions on this so if a number of people want something different that's fine. I've used this payment system in a keeper league here on blowout and it has worked well.

2. Draft Date:

Which date and time should we hold the draft? I was thinking the sooner the better so that we'd have the whole offseason to work any trades and whatnot, but this is up to the group. So just let me know.

3. What site should we host the league on?

I've never been a part of a dynasty league, so not sure which site would be the best. I was thinking either ESPN or Yahoo but based off some quick research I came across a few dynasty specific sites in myfantasyleague.com and fleaflicker.com.

So just lmk what your preferred site would be. And if you have been a part of a dynasty league or know of a good site that supports dynasty leagues, I'd appreciate hearing about it.

4. Will trades be allowed in our initial draft?

I am in favor of allowing pre-draft trades for our initial draft, but I'd like to know where everyone stands on it. We'll go with the majority on this.

5. How big should the rosters be?

Since this is a dynasty league, I was thinking the rosters should be about 30 players with 26-28 keepers (the unclaimed spots would be for the rookie draft the following year). I don't think we should drop below 20 players or go above 40. So just lmk what your preference is here and we'll get a sense of what the group wants.

6. League Rules:

As far as scoring goes, I was thinking standard scoring with PPR.

Just lmk if that works for you and we'll again go majority on this.

I think this should be a adequate overview for now, but if you think I missed something pressing (which is pretty likely haha), PLEASE do not hesitate to contact me about it. Obviously there are many nuances and rules we need to discuss as a group, but I figured these could wait until after we have a definitive group.

And again, please don't feel obligated to join this league just because you posted you were interested. By committing to join this league you agree that you will be an active owner. If you can't do this then please let me know now and I can contact a back up.

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For those of you have not yet responded to my pm, please instead comment in here with your replies. That way we can work together to hammer out the details of the league.

As far as what site to use, I was toying around with a number of different sites today and ESPN looks like it would be able to offer us almost everything we're looking for.

ALSO, I forgot to mention this in the pms but we need to agree on what our lineups are going to look like. As of now, I was thinking something like this:

1 QB
2 RBs
3 WRs
1 TE
2 Flex
1 D/ST
1 K
19 Bench slots
1 IR slot (I feel like we need at least 1 if not more since this is a dynasty league. Don't want to further penalize those who lost a keeper player for the year by making them eat a bench slot)

Anyways, I look forward to hearing from all of you and getting this league underway

[cromartie3145]

First, here are the final standings along with draft order:

Just a reminder on how its determined:

-Picks 1-6 (the non-playoff teams) are determined based on regular season standings with points scored serving as the tie breaker (team with the lower points scored would draft higher in any cases of same record).
-Picks 7-12 (the playoff teams) would be determined based on how they finished in the playoffs (with league champion getting last pick and team that lost first round who scored the lowest points getting 7th pick, team that lost in the 1st round and scored the 2nd lowest points getting 8th pick, etc)

2018 Draft Pick Tracker:

Addicted

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1st Round Pick (Originally cromartie3145's. Acquired in trade outlined in post #1934)
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2nd Round Pick (Originally cromartie3145's. Acquired in trade outlined in post #1934)
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3rd Round Pick (Originally chittychitty844's. Acquired in trade outlined in post #1889)
3rd Round Pick (Originally cromartie3145's. Acquired in trade outlined in post #1934)
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4th Round Pick (Originally cromartie3145's. Acquired in trade outlined in post #1934)

Chittychitty844

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Collectable

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Highroller

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packersfan7918

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Welker83

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TheFrenzy

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silverandblack

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Sleeper

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freethrowtommy

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farley120br

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Cromartie3145

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[cromartie3145]

League Rules/Notices:


1. League Payments

A. Year One Payments- $35
B. Year Two Payments- $25
C. Year Three Payments- $15

2. League Payouts

A. Years One-Three
League Champion- $150
Runner Up- $75
3rd Place Team- $25
Team With Most Overall Points- $50

3. Trade Protocol and Deadlines

A. Trade Review Period: Trades are automatically processed once agreed upon (unless collusion)
B. Season Trade Deadline- A Trade Freeze will be implemented after Week 12.

Note: A Trade 'Freeze', simply means that trading would stop after Week 12 and then resume once the championship game concludes. This would prevent trading from occurring during playoff and championship games.

4. Draft Order and 'Tanking' Punishments

Draft order will be determined by inverse standings at the end of the season (team with the worst record gets first pick and team with the best record gets last pick).

Punishment for tanking will be the following:


If a team is caught 'tanking' by any member of the league, and we get a majority vote that the infraction was in fact 'tanking', the member moves to the back of the draft order.

A second time offense will result in the loss of their 1st round pick.

A 3rd Time offense will result in banishment from the league and 11 negatives left.

[cromartie3145]

2017 League Payment Tracker:

** Denotes member has agreed to participate in another 3 year cycle
~ Denotes member has indicated they do not plan on returning

PAID:

**SleeperCards (12/27/2016)
**Cromartie3145 (12/27/2016)
**chittychitty844 (12/27/2016)
**addicted36 (6/12/2017)
~farley120br (6/12/2017)
**freethrowtommy (6/12/2017)
~TheFrenzy (6/14/2017)
**silverandblack (6/29/2017)
**packersfan7918 (6/30/2017)
**Collectable (6/30/2017)
~Highroller
~Welker83


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Blowout Username : Team Name Key

Cromartie3145: Team Cromartie3145

chittychitty844: MR. SANDMAN

SleeperCards: Sleeper's Delusions

freethrowtommy: Team freethrowtommy

Highroller: Team Hixson

Collectable: Team Levy

silverandblack: team silverandblack

farley120br: Bernies Rednecks

Welker83: Attleboro Kingpins

TheFrenzy: The Fantastic Mr. Frenzy

packersfan7918: Sailing Donkeys

[cromartie3145]

League Opening Letter:

After listening to everyone's input, here is where we stand right now:

-Site: ESPN

-Draft: Through Blowout

-Roster size: 30 with 11 Starters (1 QB, 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE, 2 Flex, 1 D/ST, 1 K), 19 Bench Spots, 2 IR slots. 28 Keepers (the last 2 slots will be used in our 2 round rookie draft each year)

-Scoring: ESPN standard scoring settings with the addition of 0.5 ppr

-Payments and Payouts: A. Year One Payments- $35
B. Year Two Payments- $25
C. Year Three Payments- $15

League Champion- $150
Runner Up- $75
3rd Place Team- $25
Team With Most Overall Points- $50

Draft Details:

Date: Rounds 1-15 will be conducted on June 30th (a Tuesday) beginning at 9:30 PM EST (8:30 CT, 6:30 PST)

Beginning the morning of July 1st, Round 16 will begin. Rounds 16-30 will feature a 24 hour clock per pick. At the end of the first week, if we haven't finished at least 4 rounds, I will shorten the time.

Trading:

I contacted Kyle Kraft from clickydraft and he informed me that you can not alter the draft order once the draft has started (Although, he did inform me that next year they will have a feature that allows you to trade players and pick during the draft). HOWEVER, I do have the ability to set a custom draft order BEFORE we start the draft.

Therefore, this is how trading will work. Everyone will be able to make trades prior to the draft. All trades should be posted in the league thread and confirmed by both parties. The trade deadline for pre-draft trades will be 1 hour before the draft start time. Once a trade is completed, I'll be able to change the draft order to reflect the trade.

After the first 15 rounds are completed on June 30th, I will re-open trading since we have 24 hours per pick. Since I won't be able to edit the draft order, Kyle from clickydraft suggested the following work arounds:

"As a workaround for trades during the draft a lot of leagues will communicate the trade with the commissioner and either make the selection for the other team, or have the commissioner do it."

So if a trade is made during rounds 16-30, just post them in the thread or pm me to make the selection. For example, if Member A trades Member B the picks 155 and 360 for picks 180 and 210, first post it in the thread. Then, it is the responsibility of both parties of the trade to communicate with each other in order for the other party to make their selection. So in this example Member B would have to Contact Member A and tell them who they want selected at pick 155 and then again for pick 360. Member A would have to contact Member B to have them select the player they want at picks 180 and 210. Then after that's done, post the player you drafted for another member in the thread and I will make sure to upload the correct players to the correct teams when I transfer the rosters to ESPN.

Part of me feels like allowing trading during rounds 16-30 is a bad idea, but I believe I should at least give it a chance. Should 1 problem arise from this, I will pause the draft, fix the problem, and then prohibit trading in rounds 16-30 for the remainder of the draft (as well as void any trades that have been made but not yet selected).

Scoring:

We will be using ESPN standard scoring WITH THE EXCEPTION of 1 point per reception. All Rules can be located under Settings and then selecting scoring. It is your responsibility to review the scoring settings prior to drafting. Again, they are all the standard ESPN settings EXCEPT for the 1 point per reception. If you can not find it the scoring settings, please contact me and I will link you to them.


Clickydraft:

Once I receive the final 3 payments, I will send out the link to everyone that grants them entry into our clickydraft draft room.

If you have not already signed up for clickydraft, please do so. It is very simple. You just click the link below. Enter a username, email address, and password. Then check your email for a confirmation, clink the link and you're done! If you have any questions, please contact me.

https://clickydraft.com/draftapp/users

[TheFrenzy]

Looking forward to this! I'm pretty good about staying active.

[SleeperCards]

Commenting so I can access later.

[farley120br]

I'll have more to add later but excited for this been looking for another solid league to join, always very active

[TheFrenzy]

I should warn everyone: I won the last BO league I was in.....

.....so I'm probably all out of luck and will be happy just to stay out of the cellar!

[addicted36]

Does everyone who wants to sign up for this type of league understand the differences of Dynasty Leagues vs normal redraft leagues? The worst thing that can happen in something like this is turnover in the ranks.

Show of hands who has/is now playing in a dynasty league? If you have at one time but aren't now, why not?

I'm hesitant to join this, it sounds like fun to me but considering that dynasty leagues should be looked at "forever" leagues I'm naturally concerned and it's not as if you guys need me to join this but I think that we need to discuss this before rushing into something that could result in a failure if people aren't ready for it.

[cromartie3145]

Originally Posted by addicted36

Does everyone who wants to sign up for this type of league understand the differences of Dynasty Leagues vs normal redraft leagues? The worst thing that can happen in something like this is turnover in the ranks.

Show of hands who has/is now playing in a dynasty league? If you have at one time but aren't now, why not?

I'm hesitant to join this, it sounds like fun to me but considering that dynasty leagues should be looked at "forever" leagues I'm naturally concerned and it's not as if you guys need me to join this but I think that we need to discuss this before rushing into something that could result in a failure if people aren't ready for it.

Great points. As I stated in the pms and reiterated in the OP, this type of league above all others requires active, committed owners to make it as enjoyable as possible for all involved.

The only part of your post I'd have to disagree with is the part where you say this should be looked at as a "forever league". I think the payment structure I laid out in the OP helps to put a definitive structure to this league. As of now, by joining this league you are committing to 3 years for sure. At the end of those 3 years, the payment plan runs out and we can come together as a group to determine if we'd like to keep it going (hopefully we do as the best part of a dynasty league is longevity).

So basically we have a fantasy football 'CBA' in place that will have to be renewed after 3 years.

[TheMosh]

Id like to get in on this if you have spots open

[Welker83]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I should warn everyone: I won the last BO league I was in.....

.....so I'm probably all out of luck and will be happy just to stay out of the cellar!

Good luck I am a 3 year running champ in another keeper league I'm in

[cromartie3145]

Alright, I just updated post #2 with the people whom have confirmed entry along with their corresponding answers to the questions. If I have something marked as "Haven't heard", please post your response to that portion of the question in here so I can update it.

As for the members we have yet to hear from, I will give them until tomorrow night at 9 PM EST to respond and then I will start contacting backups if necessary.

[packa7x]

Hey if there are any openings I'd be interested. It seems I'm a bit too late but perhaps people may decide not to do it. Please see below for my thoughts on the rules:

1). Payouts are fine, it's reasonable for playing with relative strangers while also making it worthwhile.

2). For the draft, I'd prefer sooner rather than later and definitely a weekend over weekdays.

3). No preference, I've done it on ESPN before and it works just fine so that seems to be the consensus and i would be good with that.

4). I like trades for current players or current draft picks only. I think that it gets murky trading future picks for current players - we avoid people throwing their seasons for picks.

5). 30 players would be good, that's about 11-12 players per NFL franchise so we wound be getting pretty deep into the rosters but the other dynasty leagues I'm in are similar size and it tends to work out pretty well. It's weird having so many low-key guys on your roster.

6). My only real preference here is that QB TD passes are 6 rather than 4. Other than that I like standard scoring w/ PPR.

[Highroller]

I confirm. I am in a dynasty league now that will be entering our 3rd season and I love it.

[cromartie3145]

@packa7x: Thanks for the interest! I have you down as a backup for now. I set the deadline for people to get back to me for tomorrow night at 9 so I'll let you know if something opens up.

Originally Posted by Highroller

I confirm. I am in a dynasty league now that will be entering our 3rd season and I love it.

That's awesome! If you have anything to share as far as what has made it a great league or what has been a problem in your league please share!



I'm sending out a final reminder to those who have yet to respond now. If someone decides they don't want to do it, I'll be in contact with the backups.



ALSO, I was trying to think of ways to ensure that everyone stays engaged throughout the life of the league and I may have come up with something.

What do you guys think about paying for all 3 years up front? That way no one would want to just drop out or stop trying at any point. Totally understand if you guys rather just stick to my original payment option that I outlined in the first post. Any feedback on that idea would be appreciated!

[addicted36]

I'm in just haven't had much time to reply yet sorry

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by addicted36

Show of hands who has/is now playing in a dynasty league? If you have at one time but aren't now, why not?

I have not yet participated in a dynasty league, but I have been a league manager for the past three seasons and our league (family and friends) is looking at taking the next step this year and become a "keeper" league.

I've got a pretty good gauge on my time and I can commit to two serious leagues and one "just for fun" league per year. So this will be one of my two serious leagues.

Originally Posted by Welker83

Good luck I am a 3 year running champ in another keeper league I'm in

Then we must battle to establish the Alpha! :eatit:

[addicted36]

1. Payouts and Payments: Here's what I have in mind:

Fine with it

We commit to 3 years to begin, with payments being as follows:

The problem with this is a dynasty league should be structured such that its a commitment for a long long time. Three year commitment doesn't guarantee that someone doesn't drop out next year. In my eyes someone dropping out is a killer to this, trying to get someone to take over a bad team who might not have a chance to win is an impossible task. I think we should consider a rule of leaving negative feedback if someone backs out next year as some sort of punishment but that's just me. It has to start somewhere though so hopefully no one will quit even if there team sucks

2. Draft Date:

Now this is an idea I personally think we should do with our initial draft. Instead of drafting in a room for 30 rounds one day (saw it suggested afternoon week day which would not work for me at all since I work 9-5) I highly suggest we finalize the participants, then do a random, and then do a slow draft here on the forum. When its your pick everyone has a 4 hour window to make a pick and if not the draft moves on to the next person. If someone misses a pick they can pick anytime and there is no autodraft. The biggest advantage of doing this is we could start the draft anytime, schedules for draft do not matter, it gives each of us more time to make a pick, and we get a historical record of the actual draft occurring. I think this is the way this should go

3. What site should we host the league on?

Doesn't matter but yahoo is preferred

Will trades be allowed in our initial draft?

They better be lol no seriously if we did the slow draft here trading becomes easier, add to the list of why we should do that

How big should the rosters be?

30 players, my question is will everyone's points count or will we only count the points of the starters? I've seen dynasty's run both ways if everyone counts then making a lineup and missing out on someone going off unexpectedly doesn't occur, on the other hand it means that you don't have to make weekly lineups making it easier

6. League Rules:
As far as scoring goes, I was thinking standard scoring with PPR.

Point value breakdown is necessary for us to understand what you mean, full 1 point ppr or half point ppr? And what do you mean by standard scoring? Is a a QB TD throw worth 4 points or worth 6 points? Before we draft we will all need to see how the scoring is setup

Just lmk if that works for you and we'll again go majority on this.

Honestly I think a majority vote should be in place for everything. Everything should be up for vote. Dynasty leagues need clearly defined guidelines and rules, bylaws if you will. I don't believe a commissioners powers in a dynasty league should exist, majority rules always. As a commissioner myself I believe in a rule that all trades once agreed on are passed, with no possibility of veto because everyone is assumed to be honest and not colluding. But that's just me and I know others won't agree, thats why majority rule works best.

I think this should be a adequate overview for now, but if you think I missed something pressing (which is pretty likely haha), PLEASE do not hesitate to contact me about it. Obviously there are many nuances and rules we need to discuss as a group, but I figured these could wait until after we have a definitive group.

Threw out some ideas for discussion if anyone wants to discuss

[farley120br]

Originally Posted by addicted36

Does everyone who wants to sign up for this type of league understand the differences of Dynasty Leagues vs normal redraft leagues? The worst thing that can happen in something like this is turnover in the ranks.

Show of hands who has/is now playing in a dynasty league? If you have at one time but aren't now, why not?

I'm hesitant to join this, it sounds like fun to me but considering that dynasty leagues should be looked at "forever" leagues I'm naturally concerned and it's not as if you guys need me to join this but I think that we need to discuss this before rushing into something that could result in a failure if people aren't ready for it.

I've never done a dynasty league but know how they work and have wanted to a long time just haven't found the people to make it happen with. Just ready to get it under way. I prefer nfl.com but whatever works. Are we gonna do PPR? How we determining draft order? I wanna trade picks already lol

[SleeperCards]

4. As far as trades on the initial draft, I'm actually against it as someone might screw up on a trade, hate their team, and bail. Of course that's a possibility no matter what, but I feel like less of a risk with everyone drafting normally. I wouldn't leave if trades were permitted, just would vote against it to protect people from themselves.

6. 1 QB
2 RBs
3 WRs
1 TE
2 Flex
1 D/ST
1 K
19 Bench slots
I'd do 2 IR Slots personally, but don't care that much.

[freethrowtommy]

I am okay with whatever is decided for line-up numbers.

I have never done a league like this so I have no clue what is typical.

[silverandblack]

I know im only the first backup but i have done many dynasty leagues and have 2 that have been going for almost 10 years. I would be very active and if or when a spot opens up slot me in for sure

[OKCThunder35]

I'm okay with whatever, but would really prefer it to be on ESPN. I also don't think we should be able to trade our draft picks in the first draft because of how someone could hate a trade and want to bail or whatever. basically what sleepercards said