Hoping somebody can catch any easy tells if this is real vs fake

[RichardGasner]

Any help would be appreciated.

I’ve done research and cannot find anything that points to this being a counterfeit.

If I cannot find anything on here, I will send it to get graded/authenticated

Thanks
Richard





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[JustRachel]

Delete

[JustRachel]

Pretty sure this is no good. Sorry.

Deleting my above post stating why.

[RichardGasner]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Pretty sure this is no good. Sorry.

Deleting my above post stating why.

All good
Thanks

Read the post before you deleted it and looked into it. They were, so I can’t see that being a reason why not.

Trying to find a legit reason why it wouldn’t be, so just an opinion is nice, but I can’t go by that.

[JustRachel]

Okay, yeah, I get that. Fair enough, I'm not trying to argue. The only thing I can offer is my opinion. In my opinion, this is a Chinese counterfeit, and not even a particularly good one. If you feel differently, perhaps sending it for authentication will resolve whatever doubt there is, either way. Good luck.

[Retired hobbist]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Okay, yeah, I get that. Fair enough, I'm not trying to argue. The only thing I can offer is my opinion. In my opinion, this is a Chinese counterfeit, and not even a particularly good one. If you feel differently, perhaps sending it for authentication will resolve whatever doubt there is, either way. Good luck.

What is the rough value of this coin in this shape if it's authentic?

Thanks!

[JustRachel]

Okay, let me break this down...if I may. There are several tells present on this particular coin, but I'm just going to discuss the easiest to identify.

Trade dollars were made with one obverse from 1873-1876, and then in 1876 they changed it slightly. Type 1 and Type 2.
Trade dollars from 1873-1875 are all type 1. 1876 can be either. 1877 and later were only made with type 2.

Counterfeiters didn't exactly catch up right away. Many times they used the older obverse on 1878 fakes. It's an easy giveaway.

1878 trade dollars, both CC and S, were only made with type 2. This one is type 1.

Again, I'm just trying to help. If you feel differently, send it in.

[RichardGasner]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Okay, let me break this down...if I may. There are several tells present on this particular coin, but I'm just going to discuss the easiest to identify.

Trade dollars were made with one obverse from 1873-1876, and then in 1876 they changed it slightly. Type 1 and Type 2.
Trade dollars from 1873-1875 are all type 1. 1876 can be either. 1877 and later were only made with type 2.

Counterfeiters didn't exactly catch up right away. Many times they used the older obverse on 1878 fakes. It's an easy giveaway.

1878 trade dollars, both CC and S, were only made with type 2. This one is type 1.

Again, I'm just trying to help. If you feel differently, send it in.

I have done some research and found this not to be the case.

I found that, yes, some 1878 Trade dollars from the Carson City mint did have the Type 1 obverse design. The Carson City mint struck both Type 1 and Type 2 Trade dollars in 1878, with a total production of 1,787,000 coins. However, it's worth noting that Trade dollars from the Carson City mint are generally scarcer than those from other mints, making them more valuable to collectors.

If you can point me to where you found otherwise, that would be awesome.

Also, this "There are several tells present on this particular coin" is exactly what I originally asked in the post. So...if there are several that are present and you know them, it would be extremely helpful if you told me what they were before I waste my money trying to authenticate this.

[RichardGasner]

Originally Posted by Retired hobbist

What is the rough value of this coin in this shape if it's authentic?

Thanks!

Good reference here
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/...t-1-trade/7047

You're able to click the arrow to the right for the better condition prices

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by RichardGasner

I have done some research and found this not to be the case.

I found that, yes, some 1878 Trade dollars from the Carson City mint did have the Type 1 obverse design. The Carson City mint struck both Type 1 and Type 2 Trade dollars in 1878, with a total production of 1,787,000 coins. However, it's worth noting that Trade dollars from the Carson City mint are generally scarcer than those from other mints, making them more valuable to collectors.

If you can point me to where you found otherwise, that would be awesome.

Also, this "There are several tells present on this particular coin" is exactly what I originally asked in the post. So...if there are several that are present and you know them, it would be extremely helpful if you told me what they were before I waste my money trying to authenticate this.

I'm not sure where you got your information. 1878 CC Trade Dollars' mintage was 97,000.

Anyway, try THIS if you want.

[RichardGasner]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I'm not sure where you got your information. 1878 CC Trade Dollars' mintage was 97,000.

Anyway, try THIS if you want.

Thanks for the link
Very helpful

The circulation was based on the total trade dollars produced, worded badly, sorry.
Yes, the CC was much less.
I think the first run was 97k, but I think there were 2 smaller ones shortly after. A large amount of them were melted down/disposed of, so there is a low number remaining.

Doing more research, I feel this is a counterfeit. I think the giveaway is the arrow not going past the. Not sure if it only has 3 fingers and the 4th is worn? Seen some dialogue saying that this is even a debate anyway. And the ribbon is extremely hard to see on the bottom, but I think it's pointing to the left, not down, so I think that's another tell.

[smackvay]

Trade dollars are one of the most faked coins on market
Do research then buy coins or you will have to lose alot of money getting an education.
Dont ask me how i know lol

[jkk503]

A fake, and a pretty lousy one.