Panini to eliminate player-specific redemptions and add patch database

[NoleinJax]

Love the database Panini. Well done.

[Rogue]

For as much money Panini is making now, it's really crappy that we keep buying and they keep pissing it all away. $1000 FOTL releases and dutch auctions now, I'm sure the prices have been upped for everyone and they've got an unreal amount of variations now with fast breaks and what not, Panini is getting the money while it's hot just like the collectors, big bubble is about to pop.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by Stat Monsters

I hate Panini having a monopoly and then issuing so many releases for the same sport every year.

I wish that the sports leagues would issue non-exclusive licenses to Upper Deck, Panini and Topps, then limit the number of releases (produce lines) per year to a max of 3 (which includes a Series 1, Series, 2 or any Updates), forcing the card companies to be competitive with each other, come up with better products and earn hobby business from the consumer.

I'm glad redemptions are on the way out, so we get points to redeem for live product rather than continue waiting for years only to get offered inferior substitutions for the original redemption.

I think Digital cards as I understand them to be are fairly stupid if they carry any value yet can't be redeemed/converted to a real physical card.

Comes down to money, Panini was willing to pay it and Topps/UD were not. The leagues want exclusive Tire Company, Exclusive Card Company and the licensing arms have regulated how many products a year. Dont like so many talk to NFL Licensing, not Panini.

[hockeyman]

isnt (rewards)another money stream?think about it.youu pay for a pack.find the card you want but now have to pay again for shipping?

[Grid]

Originally Posted by hockeyman

isnt (rewards)another money stream?think about it.youu pay for a pack.find the card you want but now have to pay again for shipping?

If you think the $4 they charge is a money stream, I got news for you. Its not like they don't have to pay to ship things, get supplies for free and have people work to fulfill redemption's without pay.

They aren't making money by doing this.

If you actual pull a redemption for a specific card, they still send that out for free, as they always have, right?

Not to give them a thumbs up by charging you to get your IOU fulfilled. But, points turned into more of a form of credit than an actual redemption card. With people buying and selling points as if they are currency. If Panini had to absorb all that, I bet they would claim it isn't fair.

[jdhaugh11]

Originally Posted by Grid

If you think the $4 they charge is a money stream, I got news for you. Its not like they don't have to pay to ship things, get supplies for free and have people work to fulfill redemption's without pay.

They aren't making money by doing this.

If you actual pull a redemption for a specific card, they still send that out for free, as they always have, right?

Not to give them a thumbs up by charging you to get your IOU fulfilled. But, points turned into more of a form of credit than an actual redemption card. With people buying and selling points as if they are currency. If Panini had to absorb all that, I bet they would claim it isn't fair.

This is true, but when point cards replace one of the guaranteed hits, then it should be counted as a redemption and thus not charge us additional money to get the card we were promised. Points should be extra hits, otherwise it's like we were shorted a hit.

[Skybase]

Originally Posted by jdhaugh11

This is true, but when point cards replace one of the guaranteed hits, then it should be counted as a redemption and thus not charge us additional money to get the card we were promised. Points should be extra hits, otherwise it's like we were shorted a hit.

Agreed. Points cards are inserted randomly at a rate that can easily be adjusted if they're feeling they're really losing that money anyhow. But seriously, c'mon....do we really feel they're being cheated in the first place?

[Zahadum]

It is frustrating with the change Panini has made with redemption's as all the outstanding redemption's I have in have passed the 120 days and now they sit with the only option to get points. Just makes you angry when you have seen the redemption live but the only options you have are points.
Thankfully none are 1/1 but most are #/5 and #10 with a couple #/25 but even so I want the cards the redemption are for not points..

[airforce21one]

Originally Posted by Grid

If you think the $4 they charge is a money stream, I got news for you. Its not like they don't have to pay to ship things, get supplies for free and have people work to fulfill redemption's without pay.

They aren't making money by doing this.

If you actual pull a redemption for a specific card, they still send that out for free, as they always have, right?

Not to give them a thumbs up by charging you to get your IOU fulfilled. But, points turned into more of a form of credit than an actual redemption card. With people buying and selling points as if they are currency. If Panini had to absorb all that, I bet they would claim it isn't fair.

No, but Panini can come out ahead by simply ensuring the points cost of the cards you can buy with rewards rises, thereby being less valuable, potentially, than the card you should have received in the pack in the first place.

I mean, I get a 600 points reward card out of Panini Prizm. 600 points might get me a manufactured patch from Yadier Molina. I think I speak for the crowd when I say I'd rather roll the dice on a prizm auto over 600 reward points any day of the week.

[Riversoule]

I have an entirely other issue with Panini Redemptions pending from 2010
But this is a Topps Redemption question to the group.
I have a pending redemption for a 1/1 superfractor. I asked the Topps rep about how they value the card for a possible substitution. The site says a mix of eBay sales & Beckett valuations. When I asked what the value would be for this card, she said “we don’t tell you that. We just send you a replacement card. That blew me away that someone will arbitrarily decide the value without sharing it with the consumer. The process is broken. This is wrong both with Topps & Panini. Should I trust that Topps will get me close to equal value for the 1/1 superfractor that I paid $1800 for (since that’s eBay) and Beckett doesn’t have a value.

[Riversoule]

Pending Panini Redemptions from 2010-2013 of star player auto, some limited #/5 & #/10 National Treasures. Since 2018, once per year I send in the same letter, printout of my redemption queue and send it for 5 different Panini associates. I still have never received a response by mail, email, or of the multiple voicemails left. If only they had a fax line.
Has anybody had some recent luck with Panini redemptions from as far back 2010?

[IndySportsCards]

Originally Posted by Riversoule

Pending Panini Redemptions from 2010-2013 of star player auto, some limited #/5 & #/10 National Treasures. Since 2018, once per year I send in the same letter, printout of my redemption queue and send it for 5 different Panini associates. I still have never received a response by mail, email, or of the multiple voicemails left. If only they had a fax line.
Has anybody had some recent luck with Panini redemptions from as far back 2010?

Same here, going back to 2013. They ignore me. Have tried multiple times. F Panini

[Beavers98]

I have some going on for over a decade now too. Very little hope I will ever get them or have any resolution. Now that they're a lame duck company I have even less faith that anything will happen. How can companies do this??, such bullsh*t. I haven't redeemed a card in years, even ones I'd really like, it's just not worth the hassle. I sell them right away and let someone else worry about them. Don't see that changing anytime soon either. smh

[1992UDFootball]

Had a Panini rep that was switching out a bunch of old redemptions that weren't moving for white boxes prepandemic and well, that's gone absolutely nowhere since. They went from replying to emails and working along the process in a timely manner to absolutely nothing.

Emily hasn't responded to the couple emails I sent either.

[CxL]

Originally Posted by 1992UDFootball

Had a Panini rep that was switching out a bunch of old redemptions that weren't moving for white boxes prepandemic and well, that's gone absolutely nowhere since. They went from replying to emails and working along the process in a timely manner to absolutely nothing.

Emily hasn't responded to the couple emails I sent either.

They seem to be just cruising until they are bought out.

[derbykaren400]

Originally Posted by 1992UDFootball

Had a Panini rep that was switching out a bunch of old redemptions that weren't moving for white boxes prepandemic and well, that's gone absolutely nowhere since. They went from replying to emails and working along the process in a timely manner to absolutely nothing.

Emily hasn't responded to the couple emails I sent either.

Hmmm hey

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[M4YH3M1]

People need to get together and confront them at the NSCC or some other similar show they attend.
Their redemption AND customer service department has been abhorrent for years.
They rarely return emails at all if ever.

I'd seriously be furious, I mean, I AM FURIOUS about the non replies to all of my emails asking about 3 year old redemptions or swaps etc. But I'm in Australia, you USA guys get shows and conventions where Panini have representation.

Especially the NSCC. Myself, I would need to be physically removed from the show cause I'd stand and yell at them about redemptions on main stage whilst they're showing off their new product or doing a break. F-them. Seriously. They are p1ss1ng in our faces and laughing about it.

It will come to 4 years from now and Panini don't do cards anymore and the hobby community will be left out of pocket for millions of dollars in value of un-redeemed cards.
The time to act is now.

[Gidtheson]

Panini has been slowly turning my expired redemptions (expired when redeemed) into Panini points the last few months. Better than nothing, I mean not by much but hey.

Still waiting for 2 Kyle Pitts autos tho....

[admiraladama]

Panini has something to eliminate ? They eliminated customer service decades ago

[Triple B]

Shout out to everyone that still supports these jokers.

[cardia10]

It is truly shocking that a product can be advertised while they either never had or intend to fulfill redemptions. I understand the timing of releases and player signing items, but it is simple, don't advertise it as existing until you have the cards to put in packs.

[SacKingsR1]

Last few times I requested a replacement due to being more than 120 days, I have either requested sparkle packs for lower end cards or replacements. What happens, they wait a month or two to send out the replacement card only to be the card itself.

It seems like Panini is lazy as crap and it takes push comes to shove to send the actual card out that you redeemed. Example, I just received my replacement for my 2023-24 Obsidian Jalen Williams Deep Blue Sea Autograph /5 yesterday, and it was the card itself! Not the first time I have had to push them to take care of a redemption or damaged card replacement in order for them to complete it on their end.

[JBCrane]

Originally Posted by IndySportsCards

Same here, going back to 2013. They ignore me. Have tried multiple times. F Panini

Seems to me a class action may be possible. Or start telling them you'll sue for fraud. A $20 card, they know you wont, but an $1800 card?

A little different scenario But years ago I sent Probstein $1500 worth of baseball cards to sell on ebay. Sold them w/ no hitch.

Later sent him a $1000 in football cards. Would not list.....would not list. After 3 months I finally told him I would sue for fraud if he didn't sell them or return them to me. I made it very clear that I was in the position to show up to any and all court dates. And I was. It wasn't an empty threat. The next week I had my cards in hand. I was only missing 1 Bledsoe jersey match card worth probably $20. I figured that was a cheap lesson.

I refuse to buy anything he sells. There have been a few times I was tempted. But I figure it'll come back around sooner or later.

The manufactures are so big a single fraud case would probably make them chuckle. But a class action?......................?

Thankfully the few redemptions I've had came back.

[RedLabelRecords]

Originally Posted by Triple B

Shout out to everyone that still supports these jokers.

They were the only game in town for WWE for a while there. They still owe me a card.