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Originally Posted by fabiani12333
The problem is it's not really being debated or discussed -- people are just making the claim without supporting it.
The GOAT label is both subjective and objective -- you need the statistics as well as the perception. And they mostly go hand in hand -- no one is going to claim a player is the GOAT without at least having the skills and accomplishments to enter the conversation.
Ohtani has the skills and accomplishments mid-career to at least enter the conversation for GOAT. But does it hold up under the scrutiny of the pertinent facts and comparative analysis? Can an argument successfully be made to prove he is indeed the GOAT?
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This is why people get annoyed when you make thread after thread after thread. It's not that it promotes debate, it's because you've nominated yourself to be the board daddy of the baseball section. No one has successfully convinced you, so that means they aren't doing it right. Ohtani has been debated endlessly here and will continue to be, but it's not being done by your rules.
The GOAT label (which I have been tired of almost since it started) is nothing but an opinion. The only time it feels non-subjective is when it's obvious to everyone (IE: Jerry Rice). It's never going to be that with 150+ years of baseball.
Having said all that, allow me to throw out the one thing you left out of your OP, just to get it out there and then I'm moving on. 4 unanimous MVPs when no one else has more than 1. Seems like GOAT stuff to me!