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Originally Posted by kukocitb
It seems with fakes being in the market it has not affected the value of real ones in the market. I mean 90s stuff is hotter than ever I would say but I think anything basketball is this way currently.
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This is true for some sets, but many others have been adversely affected. The most obvious one is the 1998-99 Thunder Rave set /150. These are some of the toughest 90s cards in existence (boxes were rumored to have been destroyed by Fleer/insurance companies during the lockout). Many popular players don't even have ANY sales records on ebay, at least according to Worthpoint and PWCC. When I looked into it, I was only able to find a single sale of a real Kobe (going back to when the records started in 2004). The only real photo of one I've ever been able to find on the internet is from Nat Turner's Flickr page. And yet fake Kobe raves are listed on ebay all the time, creating an illusion of abundance. They regularly sell for less than $500 despite being arguably Kobe's rarest 90s issue. The Jordan is a similar story.
If I had to guess the next most affected set, I'd say it's the 1996-97 Platinum Medallions. ~75% of the Kobes and Jordans I see listed on ebay are fake, which again, creates an illusion of abundance and drives down prices. I can only imagine how expensive '96 PMs would be if they had never been counterfeited.
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Originally Posted by blinkme323
Well it's interesting, using the 96-97 PM as an example, there are less than 100 combined on the BGS / PSA pop reports, yet it is around a $1200-1300 card. So either it is extremely undervalued (which may very well be the case) or there is some hesitance due to fakes.
In terms of how counterfeiters pick their spots, yeah that's a great question... maybe it is the tooling or something that we aren't even privy to.
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Yes, and keep in mind many of the cards listed in the pop report are fake. PSA and BGS have graded many.
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Originally Posted by libruary
I understand from this thread that the stamping of serial numbers is relatively easy to fake, but how is the platinum foil etc faked, like for 96 ultra platinum?
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Fleer didn't create the foil patterns used on their cards. They bought patterns that were mass produced and available to anyone. The forgers simply source the original (or matching) foil patterns.