Jayden Daniels Auto, hold or sell?
 

What do you guys think Daniels future looks like? I didn't follow him much his rookie season. It seems even though unlicensed, there is a decent following for his autos.

Asking guys far more knowledgeable than I here (minus slyguy).

[QUOTE=Ninotores;19872036]What do you guys think Daniels future looks like? I didn't follow him much his rookie season. It seems even though unlicensed, there is a decent following for his autos.

Asking guys far more knowledgeable than I here (minus slyguy).[/QUOTE]

There's a decent following for his unlicensed autos because it's the shiny new thing. Look at stroud unlicensed junk. I'd stay away from his unlicenced card and rather buy his prizm if you're into him

[QUOTE=Ninotores;19872036]What do you guys think Daniels future looks like? I didn't follow him much his rookie season. It seems even though unlicensed, there is a decent following for his autos.

Asking guys far more knowledgeable than I here (minus slyguy).[/QUOTE]

If you can get his autos at a reasonable price they should be a good investment. He had the greatest year for a rookie QB in NFL history and is already one of the two best QBs in the NFC. His only autographs are from Topps and contrary to many of the opinions expressed here they are not "unlicensed junk". The cards look good though they are only partially licensed (like the Topps football cards from the 1970s). With Topps obtaining the exclusive license to issue NFL cards in 2026 (?), I think that eventually collectors will largely ignore the fact that there are no team logos on the 2024 cards.

[QUOTE=Natsfan32;19872080]If you can get his autos at a reasonable price they should be a good investment. He had the greatest year for a rookie QB in NFL history and is already one of the two best QBs in the NFC. His only autographs are from Topps and contrary to many of the opinions expressed here they are not "unlicensed junk". The cards look good though they are only partially licensed (like the Topps football cards from the 1970s). With Topps obtaining the exclusive license to issue NFL cards in 2026 (?), I think that eventually collectors will largely ignore the fact that there are no team logos on the 2024 cards.[/QUOTE]

Unlicensed is actually a big drawback. It hinders a lot of people who cares about the licensing (me included) to not own the card or even care at all. Just look at wemby price on his unlicenced auto, compare that to the recently sold 500k of wemby logoman from NT non auto and non associated with anything. Massive difference

[QUOTE=Ninotores;19872036]What do you guys think Daniels future looks like? I didn't follow him much his rookie season. It seems even though unlicensed, there is a decent following for his autos.

Asking guys far more knowledgeable than I here (minus slyguy).[/QUOTE]

I you want to flip and make max profit, Strike now while the player is hot/hyped! He already has 'successful/future star value' built into the pricing, the only way his values go up more is if he wins MVPS and Rings. If he slacks off or has a terrible season, his value will drop.

On the other hand, if it's a card for your PC and you like it, collect what YOU want, and NOT what someone else tells you to collect (licensed or not)

Well, it is a rookie year auto. It will always mean something. The significance will depend on the product though.

sell

they're going to come out with way more 2024 products with his autos

I appreciate the suggestions.

I bought one box of inception and hit his rpa /150 auto yesterday. It's a really nice looking card. Part of me wouldnt mind keeping it for the pc. But then the other part of me is like...well...will you regret holding it? I know everything is based on how he plays over anything else. But with these being unlicensed, I'm just thrown off a bit. Sure it's unlicensed. But at the same time, it's all there is if you want his auto if he does stay consistent. So that has to count for something?

Yep, sell the hype...

I think Wash is the 3rd best team in their own division.
Phila is a SB winner, so they'll be good. Dallas historically is good and a playoff team.
I don't see the Skins having continued success. They are not a good team, sorry.

They took advantage of Dallas 2024 injuries and bad year, but they normally won't make playoffs. Without playoffs, they won't do much. Sure, they surprised a few teams with the "triple option" stuff (rookie Jayden ran wild or was able to hit wide open WRs downfield after extending plays).

Look at reality, though: the Saints would've beaten them if not for going for 2pt. They won another game on a hail mary jump ball (deflection). One win was vs Phi with Hurts knocked out first quarter. They struggled to narrowly beat Bears and NYG with no QB (both times).

2024 will be an outlier, not the norm.
Defenses adjust. We've seen much better passers (Mahomes, Herbert, Stroud, Purdy, Love, etc) regress in their soph year - or 2nd year as starter. Teams have pro film on them, and they learn the tells and tendencies of the QB.

Also, Commanders didn't get much of quality in FA... they spent $$, but I would say they lost more (quality DT) than they gained (washed up WR). The got a good but older [I]pass blocking[/I] LT when they have a [I]running QB[/I]? Many vets on their roster are very old and past their prime. Some stuff Wash does doesn't make sense.

So yeah, preseason is the time to sell Jayden Daniels cards.
They may never be worth more, no joke.
Unless he's in playoffs + ProBowl 2025, the cards will be down. (I doubt he does either one of those)

[QUOTE=hche;19872170]Well, it is a rookie year auto. It will always mean something. The significance will depend on the product though.[/QUOTE]

This is my thinking as well.

[QUOTE=slyguy;19872189]
So yeah, preseason is the time to sell Jayden Daniels cards.
They may never be worth more, no joke.
Unless he's in playoffs + ProBowl 2025, the cards will be down. (I doubt he does either one of those)[/QUOTE]

I hate that I agree with this, but preseason seems to be when football cards peak based on everyone building hype for their teams or players.

[QUOTE=Ninotores;19872187]I appreciate the suggestions.

I bought one box of inception and hit his rpa /150 auto yesterday. It's a really nice looking card. Part of me wouldnt mind keeping it for the pc. But then the other part of me is like...well...will you regret holding it? I know everything is based on how he plays over anything else. But with these being unlicensed, I'm just thrown off a bit. Sure it's unlicensed. But at the same time, it's all there is if you want his auto if he does stay consistent. So that has to count for something?[/QUOTE]

I would not keep an inception auto unless you want to keep 1 of his auto for PC and will never buy single (like me :p)

[QUOTE=hche;19872195]I would not keep an inception auto unless you want to keep 1 of his auto for PC and will never buy single (like me :p)[/QUOTE]

Inception no good? I enjoyed it in the old licensed days.

[QUOTE=Ninotores;19872194]I hate that I agree with this, but preseason seems to be when football cards peak based on everyone building hype for their teams or players.[/QUOTE]It's the time when everyone thinks their team can win the SuperBowl.

Coverage and hype is at a high point.
People are drafting for FFB leagues.
That's the best time to sell / worst time to buy typically.

Look at it this way. Of the recent hyped rookie QB's. How many of these players sold better at the end of year 2. Then they were during or by the end of year 1?

Johnny Manziel, Blake Bortles, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Mitchell Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Tua Tagovailoa, Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Kenny Pickett, Desmond Ridder, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson

For every Mahomes, Lamar and Josh Allen. There are 5 times as many Justin Fields and Trey Lances.

You have some tweeners. Like Joe Burrow or CJ Stroud. Both sell decent. But still not as well as they did heading in to year 2.

How much faith do you have in JD? Mack Jones and Mitch Trubisky played solid at first. Made the Pro Bowl and lead their team to the playoffs. Then *poof*

[QUOTE=Grid;19872220]Look at it this way. Of the recent hyped rookie QB's. How many of these players sold better at the end of year 2. Then they were during or by the end of year 1?

Johnny Manziel, Blake Bortles, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Mitchell Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Tua Tagovailoa, Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Kenny Pickett, Desmond Ridder, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson

For every Mahomes, Lamar and Josh Allen. There are 5 times as many Justin Fields and Trey Lances.

You have some tweeners. Like Joe Burrow or CJ Stroud. Both sell decent. But still not as well as they did heading in to year 2.

How much faith do you have in JD? Mack Jones and Mitch Trubisky played solid at first. Made the Pro Bowl and lead their team to the playoffs. Then *poof*[/QUOTE]

Fair points. You've made my decision, sir. Thank you!

[QUOTE=slyguy;19872189]Yep, sell the hype...

I think Wash is the 3rd best team in their own division.
Phila is a SB winner, so they'll be good. Dallas historically is good and a playoff team.
I don't see the Skins having continued success. They are not a good team, sorry.

They took advantage of Dallas 2024 injuries and bad year, but they normally won't make playoffs. Without playoffs, they won't do much. Sure, they surprised a few teams with the "triple option" stuff (rookie Jayden ran wild or was able to hit wide open WRs downfield after extending plays).

Look at reality, though: the Saints would've beaten them if not for going for 2pt. They won another game on a hail mary jump ball (deflection). One win was vs Phi with Hurts knocked out first quarter. They struggled to narrowly beat Bears and NYG with no QB (both times).

2024 will be an outlier, not the norm.
Defenses adjust. We've seen much better passers (Mahomes, Herbert, Stroud, Purdy, Love, etc) regress in their soph year - or 2nd year as starter. Teams have pro film on them, and they learn the tells and tendencies of the QB.

Also, Commanders didn't get much of quality in FA... they spent $$, but I would say they lost more (quality DT) than they gained (washed up WR). The got a good but older [I]pass blocking[/I] LT when they have a [I]running QB[/I]? Many vets on their roster are very old and past their prime. Some stuff Wash does doesn't make sense.

So yeah, preseason is the time to sell Jayden Daniels cards.
They may never be worth more, no joke.
Unless he's in playoffs + ProBowl 2025, the cards will be down. (I doubt he does either one of those)[/QUOTE]

Ok I read 3rd best team in division and was like wtf

then I saw who posted it. makes sense.

DALLAS IS TRASH EVERY YEAR BRO

[QUOTE=Delta5;19872091]Unlicensed is actually a big drawback. It hinders a lot of people who cares about the licensing (me included) to not own the card or even care at all. Just look at wemby price on his unlicenced auto, compare that to the recently sold 500k of wemby logoman from NT non auto and non associated with anything. Massive difference[/QUOTE]

did wemby wear the patch?

[QUOTE=patchgenie;19872304]did wemby wear the patch?[/QUOTE]

The current Panini disclaimer? It is a piece of authentic jersey, but then again, it might not even be a Wemby jersey!

anybody that paid 500,000 for a wemby logoman he may have touched for 2 seconds needs to have their head checked immediately

[QUOTE=Grid;19872220]Look at it this way. Of the recent hyped rookie QB's. How many of these players sold better at the end of year 2. Then they were during or by the end of year 1?

Johnny Manziel, Blake Bortles, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Mitchell Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Tua Tagovailoa, Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Kenny Pickett, Desmond Ridder, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson

For every Mahomes, Lamar and Josh Allen. There are 5 times as many Justin Fields and Trey Lances.

You have some tweeners. Like Joe Burrow or CJ Stroud. Both sell decent. But still not as well as they did heading in to year 2.

How much faith do you have in JD? Mack Jones and Mitch Trubisky played solid at first. Made the Pro Bowl and lead their team to the playoffs. Then *poof*[/QUOTE]

Burrow sold higher in year 2 (Superbowl) than his rookie year (torn acl/mcl)

Also, to those who are against unlicensed cards and I agree the missing logo is an eye sore but if it’s coming from a brand like Topps and not a wannabe like Leaf, what’s the problem? Also, if you want a rookie year auto, there’s really nothing out there but Topps, right?


Let’s assume the best for JD and say he reaches Mahomes status, if you want a RC auto, what other option do you have?

[QUOTE=Antman5;19872389]...to those who are against unlicensed cards and I agree the missing logo is an eye sore but if it’s coming from a brand like Topps ...[/QUOTE]There will be a whole lot of LICENSED autos for those same players soon.

The unlicensed stuff is garbage.
It does have a bit of value for the moment as the licensed stuff is not here yet (for those certain 2024 rooks).

Nobody wants Caleb auto with him playing on "blue team" once you can have Caleb auto Chicago Bears. There is no mystery there.

[QUOTE=slyguy;19872447]There will be a whole lot of LICENSED autos for those same players soon.

The unlicensed stuff is garbage.
It does have a bit of value for the moment as the licensed stuff is not here yet (for those certain 2024 rooks).

Nobody wants Caleb auto with him playing on "blue team" once you can have Caleb auto Chicago Bears. There is no mystery there.[/QUOTE]

But those LICENSED autos won’t be rookie autos. That’s the whole conversation.

Is it better to sell these fast due to other products coming out or wait until preseason hype builds? Off-season usually sucks for selling right?

[QUOTE=Siberian13;19872468]Is it better to sell these fast due to other products coming out or wait until preseason hype builds? Off-season usually sucks for selling right?[/QUOTE]

That’s a good question. Topps chrome seems to be holding up decently so far.