What will it take for Joker to be in top 10 conversation?
 

Guy is going to win his 3rd MVP and probably 2nd title. When will he be in the all time top 10 conversation?

A title this year gets him in the convo for bottom of the top 10. like 8-12ish.

[QUOTE=jcardstore;19401443]A title this year gets him in the convo for bottom of the top 10. like 8-12ish.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. A title this year will really get people talking. I will say though, consistency over time is going to be just as important. Let's say he gets another title and MVP this year. It's not like he can trail off next year and leave his lifetime titles to two. The top 10 maintained their greatness throughout their entire careers.

[QUOTE=jcardstore;19401443]A title this year gets him in the convo for bottom of the top 10. like 8-12ish.[/QUOTE]

Agreed - but he’s going to need a bit of additional hardware in his Trophy Case over the next 5-ish + Years to stay there…..

[QUOTE=oldgoldy97;19401439]Guy is going to win his 3rd MVP and probably 2nd title. When will he be in the all time top 10 conversation?[/QUOTE]

Not any time soon. Moses Malone has 3 MVPs, 1 FMVP and title and he is nowhere close to top 10. A title and MVP put him in the top 15-20, but he has only been a top player for 6 seasons (3 1st team All NBA and 2 2nd team). He needs to keep playing at a high level for several more years to be in the top 10 debate.

When he gets his fourth ring.

The bigger question is who is he going to bump out of the top 10?

Damn, I brought this up a few weeks ago and was mocked.

If that happens, you gotta start considering it, specially since it looks like he won't slow down. You can pencil what, 3 more All-NBA and 3 more All-Star appearances?

3x MVP, 1-2x FMVP, 9 All-NBA, 9 All-Star, 5-6 1st Team...he'll be in the neighborhood but I don't know if it's enough to pass Hakeem/Kobe.

Is he retiring? Or are we just ignoring how many more stats he will accumulate?

Gotta love the seething going on with the NeW mEdiA

If credibility wasn’t shot already…

He's got to get a sexier body, that's for sure. That's all that's holding him back at this point. That and being the world's biggest jockey in a Kentucky Derby. He'd be close to being goated then.

[QUOTE=ninjabum87;19401832]He's got to get a sexier body, that's for sure. That's all that's holding him back at this point. That and being the world's biggest jockey in a Kentucky Derby. He'd be close to being goated then.[/QUOTE]

It’s so bad, I can no longer tell the difference between Jokic and Doncic!

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19401845]It’s so bad, I can no longer tell the difference between Jokic and Doncic![/QUOTE]

These dad bod Euro bois all look the same. You're never gonna achieve greatness without some hot chiseled triceps and whatnot. You gotta make me reflexively bite my lower lip when I see you to be on my big board.

Longevity.

Great numbers in a short window. Now he just has to add to them.

[QUOTE=indyguy;19401869]Longevity.

Great numbers in a short window. Now he just has to add to them.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't seem to hurt MJ. I do take longevity into acct, which is why I have Kareem as #1 all-time, but most seem to not care that MJ isn't anywhere near the all-time leaderboards.

[QUOTE=daeve;19401888]Doesn't seem to hurt MJ. I do take longevity into acct, which is why I have Kareem as #1 all-time, but most seem to not care that MJ isn't anywhere near the all-time leaderboards.[/QUOTE]

I think with MJ there's a feeling that he isn't he because he didn't care much about it, not because he couldn't.

You tell MJ what LeBron is doing at 40 in the early 90s and his career would look differently.

If he wins the MVP and another title this year the conversation starts. It really depends on who your top ten is but in terms of big man, if he gets another MVP and title he passes Shaq and Tim Duncan in my eyes. That would leave him 4th to Russell, Wilt and Kareem.

[QUOTE=SandStoneSports;19402002]If he wins the MVP and another title this year the conversation starts. It really depends on who your top ten is but in terms of big man, if he gets another MVP and title he passes Shaq and Tim Duncan in my eyes. That would leave him 4th to Russell, Wilt and Kareem.[/QUOTE]

That would really push Lebron out of the top 10!

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19402009]That would really push Lebron out of the top 10![/QUOTE]

rent free

dumb me sez:
depends on Bubblemurray's health

smart me sez:
he'd probably have 2 or 3 titles already with a healthy Bubblemurray in '21 and '22, and he's arguably top 10 all-time already

winning 3 MVPs after the '80s is obviously really hard to do

since MJ's prime - a quarter century of NBA history - the top players are Bron, Timmy, Shaq, Joker, Kobe, Steph; only Bron and Timmy are ahead of Joker for sure

:flex:

[QUOTE=ninjabum87;19401850]These dad bod Euro bois all look the same. You're never gonna achieve greatness without some hot chiseled triceps and whatnot. You gotta make me reflexively bite my lower lip when I see you to be on my big board.[/QUOTE]

ridiculous efficiency just won't cut it. He has to jump high

[QUOTE=daeve;19401888]Doesn't seem to hurt MJ. I do take longevity into acct, which is why I have Kareem as #1 all-time, but most seem to not care that MJ isn't anywhere near the all-time leaderboards.[/QUOTE]

longevity counts but not for much in these discussions. The most important criteria are MVP Share and Finals accolades / playoff VORP, timeline-adjusted so that Kareem doesn't get overrated with all those MVPs either

[QUOTE=martymarty;19402016]rent free[/QUOTE]

Welcome back my man!

Where have you been?

14K in points 7K boards and less than 500 blocks for a 5 and people wanting to put him in top 10 already, man..most people on this board only been watching basketball since 2015 or above I see ..

2 regular season MVP + 1 ring and already in the top 10? lol

He needs way more

[QUOTE=daeve;19401888]Doesn't seem to hurt MJ. I do take longevity into acct, which is why I have Kareem as #1 all-time, but most seem to not care that MJ isn't anywhere near the all-time leaderboards.[/QUOTE]

MJ played 15 seasons. Jokic is finishing his 9th. I don't think he has to go until he is 40, but he has some catching up to do.

But, we are just talking top 10.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19402026]Welcome back my man!

Where have you been?[/QUOTE]

He has 5 posts! How does he get a "welcome back"?

[QUOTE=SandStoneSports;19402002]If he wins the MVP and another title this year the conversation starts. It really depends on who your top ten is but in terms of big man, if he gets another MVP and title he passes Shaq and Tim Duncan in my eyes. That would leave him 4th to Russell, Wilt and Kareem.[/QUOTE]

I think I've posted it here before but my top 10 is:

Kareem
MJ
Lebron
Wilt
Russell
Duncan
Magic
Shaq
Bird
Hakeem/Curry

The top 7 [Magic and up] will be tough, but I think if he gets another MVP/FMVP this year, then you can start to see him in the Shaq-Curry group.

Which of those guys listed did as much or more than Jokic with less? Maybe Hakeem gets closest... majority of them had multiple HoF teammates to get them to the top. Jokic still hasn't played with another all-star yet. If he ever gets a true '#2' who knows how long he'll go.