Do Overpriced or Overhyped Players Bother You?
 

If so - why?

These concepts aren’t new to the hobby/business, but these boards (all sports) seem to be more and more full of people who appear angry when a player is thought to be overhyped or overvalued by others. They get mad about it, ridicule people who disagree with them, argue wholly subjective points with them, and label others as pumpers, flipperz, etc.

Can someone explain how another person who, in your opinion, is overvaluing or overhyping a player negatively impacts other people or the hobby/business?

If you aren’t a fan of a player, I would assume you wouldn’t be in the market to buy that player’s cards…. So what does it matter to you whether the player is priced or hyped appropriately? I don’t understand the anger and vitriol created by an opinion that, if you disagree with it, ultimately doesn’t impact you

Some of it can be very obnoxious (see what's going on in the Brock Purdy thread now) but never for me to the point where it makes me want the player to fail to spite the pumpers.

When risk/reward for active players is out of whack, the entire hobby is harmed.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;19062118]When risk/reward for active players is out of whack, the entire hobby is harmed.[/QUOTE]

No it’s not. For as long as I can remember, there have been tons of people who have bought into the hobby looking to pick up rookie cards of young players, thinking they’ll turn into superstars and hall of famers, and making themselves rich in the process. It’s the same thing, just on a bigger and more expensive scale now.

Envy, jealousness, pettiness. People don't like that someone else is making money where they personally aren't especially so when the money is seen as "too easy or too dumb".

There's an old Russian joke that captures the attitude “In my village, I have a neighbor who has a cow. I do not have a cow. I wish that my neighbor’s cow shall sicken and die.”

[QUOTE=BBases31;19062141]
There's an old Russian joke that captures the attitude “In my village, I have a neighbor who has a cow. I do not have a cow. I wish that my neighbor’s cow shall sicken and die.”[/QUOTE]

The real problem is people owning a chicken and trying to convince everyone it’s actually a cow then getting offended at anyone that points out they have a chicken.

The attitude that you are asking about jsut isn’t as prevalent as people make it out to be, it mroe closely resembles any crypto telegram/discord group where the mere mention of anything factual is considered FUD and bagholders want it censored before they complete their rugpull

It’s no different here, how dare you post this players stats before I’ve dumped my bags in retail

[QUOTE=ObanMontecristo;19062140]It’s the same thing, [B]just on a bigger and more expensive scale now.[/B][/QUOTE]
So it's not the same thing. Got it.

[QUOTE=ObanMontecristo;19062140]No it’s not. For as long as I can remember, there have been tons of people who have bought into the hobby looking to pick up rookie cards of young players, thinking they’ll turn into superstars and hall of famers, and making themselves rich in the process. [B]It’s the same thing, just on a bigger and more expensive scale now[/B].[/QUOTE]

That is exactly what is meant by it being out of whack...

wax costs more now.

prospect inserts cost more now.

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;19062188]wax costs more now.

prospect inserts cost more now.[/QUOTE]

It's truly this simple. The bigger the hyped player is in the release, the more the pc guy is going to have to pay (wether he's buying the hyped player or someone else). The costs gets pulled down the line to the final buyer. The hobbyist. Everyone else in the chain is a business. Its more expensive now than ever before for the end user.

I don't really care about individual players but irks me when another no name player I'm after is in the same set and I have to pay stupid prices for Wax to try and get those cards. Singles are fine but when you get to the /25 and less stuff it doesn't pop up as often. I have a guy in 2014 Bowman with a 2nd year prospect card that I've been trying to put the / 10 Purple auto set together. Nothing has popped up in over 2 years but buying cases of that stuff is not in the budget. I have 6 of the 10 so far.

Underhyped or Underrated players bother me more.

Like Desmond Ridder

“BBases31, the thread”

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;19062118]When risk/reward for active players is out of whack, the entire hobby is harmed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;19062188]wax costs more now.

prospect inserts cost more now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SupermanBrandon;19062198]It's truly this simple. The bigger the hyped player is in the release, the more the pc guy is going to have to pay (wether he's buying the hyped player or someone else). The costs gets pulled down the line to the final buyer. The hobbyist. Everyone else in the chain is a business. Its more expensive now than ever before for the end user.[/QUOTE]

But wouldn’t inflated expenses only be an irritant for people in the market to buy cards of the overhyped/overpriced players?

What I’m seeing are people who don’t collect player X complaining about how overpriced player X. I’m asking why that same person would care about player X’s inflated prices if they aren’t trying to buy.

The behavior I’m talking about is akin to walking into a steakhouse carrying a bucket of KFC and eating it while complaining to the staff about the cost of the Tbone’s that everyone else is eating. It just doesn’t make sense to me

[QUOTE=ScooterD;19062227]But wouldn’t inflated expenses only be an irritant for people in the market to buy cards of the overhyped/overpriced players?

What I’m seeing are people who don’t collect player X complaining about how overpriced player X. I’m asking why that same person would care about player X’s inflated prices if they aren’t trying to buy.

The behavior I’m talking about is akin to walking into a steakhouse carrying a bucket of KFC and eating it while complaining to the staff about the cost of the Tbone’s that everyone else is eating. It just doesn’t make sense to me[/QUOTE]

ahhh ok.

stuff like the Elly thread!

[QUOTE=ScooterD;19062227]The behavior I’m talking about is akin to walking into a steakhouse carrying a bucket of KFC and eating it while complaining to the staff about the cost of the Tbone’s that everyone else is eating. It just doesn’t make sense to me[/QUOTE]

Ya that's exactly the Russian joke I posted. If you don't have that attitude, it's impossible to understand. I personally don't, I can just see that it's pervasive on here

[QUOTE=ScooterD;19062227]But wouldn’t inflated expenses only be an irritant for people in the market to buy cards of the overhyped/overpriced players?

What I’m seeing are people who don’t collect player X complaining about how overpriced player X. I’m asking why that same person would care about player X’s inflated prices if they aren’t trying to buy.

The behavior I’m talking about is akin to walking into a steakhouse carrying a bucket of KFC and eating it while complaining to the staff about the cost of the Tbone’s that everyone else is eating. It just doesn’t make sense to me[/QUOTE]

I'm going to attempt to explain why.

I collect player Y. Player Y is in product ABC. Player X is also in that product. Player X's overhypedness drives up the price of product ABC. That mean I have to pay more to chase player Y. That also means that in the singles market, because sellers were paying open for boxes that the price of all their singles increases.

A rising tide lifts all boats. As a set collector, the overhyped players driving up prices makes the hobby more expensive for me.

[QUOTE=Nester99;19062223]“BBases31, the thread”[/QUOTE]

I laughed

[QUOTE=whitmm;19062244]I'm going to attempt to explain why.

I collect player Y. Player Y is in product ABC. Player X is also in that product. Player X's overhypedness drives up the price of product ABC. That mean I have to pay more to chase player Y. That also means that in the singles market, because sellers were paying open for boxes that the price of all their singles increases.

A rising tide lifts all boats[/QUOTE]

I understand this too - but the card companies price the product. While player X’s fans, pumpers, etc are part of the equation that the card companies use to justify price increases (as are breakers, etc), it’s the card company that sets the price.

Blaming and ridiculing player X or someone who likes and collects player X for the decisions and choices of the card company and THAT decision’s downstream impact on player Y’s cards seems off… misdirected.

[QUOTE=whitmm;19062244]
[B]A rising tide lifts all boats.[/B] As a set collector, the overhyped players driving up prices makes the hobby more expensive for me.[/QUOTE]

I was literally going to make this comment, until I read yours. There’s a few reasons my Topps Heritage sets stop at 2012, and this is the primary one.

[QUOTE=NYBBFAN;19062263]I was literally going to make this comment, until I read yours. There’s a few reasons my Topps Heritage sets stop at 2012, and this is the primary one.[/QUOTE]

i stopped in 2017 because i got bored.

having said that, how are the old sets doing now? ive not checked pricing

[QUOTE=ScooterD;19062227]But wouldn’t inflated expenses only be an irritant for people in the market to buy cards of the overhyped/overpriced players?[/QUOTE]
Are you denying that there’s any correlation between the price of singles and the price of wax? Do you not think that outrageous prospect/rookie prices leads to outrageous wax prices? Further, do you not think that player pricing is all relative? That even if I’m not interested in player X, he might lead to irrational pricing of player Y, who I am interested in?

All of these young players are being priced to perfection. The reality is that only a small handful will be hobby relevant a few years from now, and most will never be more expensive than they are today.

i could understand set builders being angry if they absolutely, positively MUST built it themselves.

but in 2023, it makes more sense to let the gamblers rip and you buy their fails (sets)

The qb thing is out of control.

Even in college. Anybody who has 1-2 good games is a top nfl pick

I swear I have seen 2024 mock drafts with a dozen different college qbs could be first round

But it makes it fun

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;19062271]i could understand set builders being angry if they absolutely, positively MUST built it themselves.

but in 2023, it makes more sense to let the gamblers rip and you buy their fails (sets)[/QUOTE]

My enjoyment comes from the process of completing the set, from the opening packs to the organization and collating. It's not from the finished product.