Sgc multipliers?
 

I bought some sgc graded modern cards recently.
They are 9.5- how does that equate to psa and bgs value-wise in your opinion? How would a 9 or 10 equate?
My first sgc cards so I appreciate the input.

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i'd say in the PSA 8 to 9 area, depending on how low the cards numbering is

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;18656604]i'd say in the PSA 8 to 9 area, depending on how low the cards numbering is[/QUOTE]

I would concur with this, probably closer to 8 though.

I did a piece on this a while back where I tried to calculate an average multiplier over raw per grade by each company by looking at a lot of comparable sales (time, wording, and day accounted for). I'll pull up the exact numbers when I get home but I think it was 1.9x or 2.1x for a SGC 9.5 with PSA 9 being the other number. I remember they were very close.

Crack them and submit to PSA. If you get 10s you're rich. If you get 9s you'll probably break even.

[QUOTE=Badgers0821;18656611]I would concur with this, probably closer to 8 though.[/QUOTE]

I hope people are stupid enough to value a SGC 9.5 like a PSA 8.

[QUOTE=jduds;18656616]I did a piece on this a while back where I tried to calculate an average multiplier over raw per grade by each company by looking at a lot of comparable sales (time, wording, and day accounted for). I'll pull up the exact numbers when I get home but I think it was 1.9x or 2.1x for a SGC 9.5 with PSA 9 being the other number. I remember they were very close.[/QUOTE]Thanks I'll try to take a look
Besides being less known, the cases are pretty nice.

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I cracked an SGC 9.5 Mahomes Prizm, sent to BGS and it came back a BGS 8.


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I read some completed sale listings just last week. An SGC 10 (just one) out-sold recent multiple PSA 10s. Not something I look at very often but to sell a card now it’s part of the homework. My guess was someone wanted the SGC flip specifically perhaps. Acuna 2018 TC Pink RC.

[QUOTE=noaskiecards;18656598]I bought some sgc graded modern cards recently.
They are 9.5- how does that equate to psa and bgs value-wise in your opinion? How would a 9 or 10 equate?
My first sgc cards so I appreciate the input.

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I busted a 2018 Soto Pink from a PSA 9 holder, sent it to SGC, and it came back a 10. There was a faint print line that I guess PSA didn't like but SGC didn't care about.

[QUOTE=wharfrat7624;18656682]I cracked an SGC 9.5 Mahomes Prizm, sent to BGS and it came back a BGS 8.


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Which subgrade sank the BGS grade? Surface?

Grading is subjective :)!

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Lmao PSA fanbois always out in force to devalue the superior company. An SGC 9.5 is certainly equal to a PSA 10 Certainly do not sell for less than a Psa 9. If you want to waste your time cracking to send to PSA rest assured odds are it will gem.

2018 Bowman Shohei Ohtani paper, recent auctions (past ~3-5 days):

SGC 9.5 - 28, 22.50, 23.01, 22.50, 20.50 (avg about [B]$23[/B])
PSA 9 - 21.50, 22.85, 22.35, 19.50, 14.02, 22.35, 13.83, 21.50, 22.35, 22 (avg about [b]$20[/b])
Raw: 20, 12, 11, 14.06, 12, 8.50, 21.50, 18, 11.50 (avg about [B]$14[/B])

I'd expect SGC 9.5 and PSA-9 to be pretty close, and both to be a notch above raw. I thought a relatively commonly graded low end Ohtani card was a good sample because a lot of people are buying & selling & collecting Ohtani cards. And a lot of Ohtani cards went to SGC when cheap options weren't available at PSA but Ohtani was playing well.

A recent PSA-8 auctioned for $11 and a recent SGC 8 auctioned for $8. Going back into December, some PSA-8s were close to $20, but also a couple in single digits.

[QUOTE=towerymt;18656726]2018 Bowman Shohei Ohtani paper, recent auctions (past ~3-5 days):

SGC 9.5 - 28, 22.50, 23.01, 22.50, 20.50 (avg about [B]$23[/B])
PSA 9 - 21.50, 22.85, 22.35, 19.50, 14.02, 22.35, 13.83, 21.50, 22.35, 22 (avg about [b]$20[/b])
Raw: 20, 12, 11, 14.06, 12, 8.50, 21.50, 18, 11.50 (avg about [B]$14[/B])

I'd expect SGC 9.5 and PSA-9 to be pretty close, and both to be a notch above raw. I thought a relatively commonly graded low end Ohtani card was a good sample because a lot of people are buying & selling & collecting Ohtani cards. And a lot of Ohtani cards went to SGC when cheap options weren't available at PSA but Ohtani was playing well.

A recent PSA-8 auctioned for $11 and a recent SGC 8 auctioned for $8. Going back into December, some PSA-8s were close to $20, but also a couple in single digits.[/QUOTE]

I just poked at 2018 prizm luka and this tracks pretty close to your example. 9.5s. SGC's half grades get a slight bump up from the PSA counterpart - 9.5/9. SGC equivalent grades get a slight bump down from the PSA counterpart -9/9.
PSA 10 gets a large bump from SGC 10 (still a big bump up from PSA 9/SGC 9.5).

I cracked a bunch of SGC 9.5s and sent to PSA - Regrets a plenty.

[QUOTE=pete2345;18656710]Lmao PSA fanbois always out in force to devalue the superior company. An SGC 9.5 is certainly equal to a PSA 10 Certainly do not sell for less than a Psa 9. If you want to waste your time cracking to send to PSA rest assured odds are it will gem.[/QUOTE]

Says the SGC fanboi. :rolleyes:

Sorry but an SGC 9.5 will not outsell a PSA 10…that doesn’t even make sense, even if the company values were equal which they aren’t…take your meds Pete.

[QUOTE=sickmantz;18656665]I hope people are stupid enough to value a SGC 9.5 like a PSA 8.[/QUOTE]

Me too, goodness gracious.

plain and simple: market will not pay for the SGC slab like it will the PSA slab. I've gotten smoked on SGC 10 sales and won't ever send to them again unless that market reality somehow changes for the better, not to mention I do not personally like their slab and especially their label.

[QUOTE=Badgers0821;18656611]I would concur with this, probably closer to 8 though.[/QUOTE]

If you'd rather have a PSA 8 of a card than a SGC 9.5, then the market really is dumber than I thought.

[QUOTE=towerymt;18656704]Which subgrade sank the BGS grade? Surface?

Grading is subjective :)!

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Especially with modern cards, there is nothing particularly special about a PSA 10. And there's definitely been grade bumps and otherwise going both ways with cracking.

Been working on post-war Hall of Fame and Superstar RC's with my son as he doesn't find the same joy in working on signed 1980's and 90's sets as I do. We settled on SGC 9.5 for all 1983 and newer cards. I've been able to pick up SGC 9.5 cards at an average of 70%-75% of PSA 10 examples. There are outliers though. Sometimes we can snag a card at 45%-50% of PSA 10. Sometimes it's closer to 90%. The average is definitely around 75%. The more rare the card, the closer they are in comparison. I'm not a dealer so I absolutely don't mind getting 25% more bang for my buck. As far as I'm concerned PSA can outsell all it wants. It's the same card...


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I know I’m losing some value, but I’ve sent a lot of cards to SGC lately because:
1. Super fast turnaround
2. Cheaper
3. Awesome customer service
4. Slabs are just as nice (maybe nicer?) as PSA

If I get SGC 10 of someone that gets really hot I can send to PSA for crossover in hopes I get a bump in revenue if it gems.

[QUOTE=towerymt;18656726]2018 Bowman Shohei Ohtani paper, recent auctions (past ~3-5 days):

SGC 9.5 - 28, 22.50, 23.01, 22.50, 20.50 (avg about [B]$23[/B])
PSA 9 - 21.50, 22.85, 22.35, 19.50, 14.02, 22.35, 13.83, 21.50, 22.35, 22 (avg about [b]$20[/b])
Raw: 20, 12, 11, 14.06, 12, 8.50, 21.50, 18, 11.50 (avg about [B]$14[/B])

I'd expect SGC 9.5 and PSA-9 to be pretty close, and both to be a notch above raw. I thought a relatively commonly graded low end Ohtani card was a good sample because a lot of people are buying & selling & collecting Ohtani cards. And a lot of Ohtani cards went to SGC when cheap options weren't available at PSA but Ohtani was playing well.

A recent PSA-8 auctioned for $11 and a recent SGC 8 auctioned for $8. Going back into December, some PSA-8s were close to $20, but also a couple in single digits.[/QUOTE]

Makes sense -- good work. It's how I'd value SGC 9.5s. It potentially carves out a nice market share for them with modern cards.

[QUOTE=atk825;18657043]Especially with modern cards, there is nothing particularly special about a PSA 10. And there's definitely been grade bumps and otherwise going both ways with cracking.[/QUOTE]

I've been seeing a higher number of blatantly undeserving modern cards get 10 grades from PSA. I'm talking obvious things like centering and damaged corners. I think it's incompetence from graders -- PSA hired new graders to deal with the pandemic backlog.

I can’t believe multiple people thought an sgc 9.5 was a PSA8 value.