Big issue with Chronicles FOTL
 

Wanted to give folks a heads up. I purchased a case and are through the first 9 boxes. All AUTOs (27 or so) are retail names (No 1st rounders) and only consists from the Score, Donruss Paper, Origins subsets. It may be that Panini didn't have time to insert AUTOs from other subsets.

Again this is my experience and a warning for all. I'm going to reach out to a Panini contact on my end to see what can be done

[QUOTE=leewei;17456063]Wanted to give folks a heads up. I purchased a case and are through the first 9 boxes. All AUTOs (27 or so) are retail names (No 1st rounders) and only consists from the Score, Donruss Paper, Origins subsets. It may be that Panini didn't have time to insert AUTOs from other subsets.

Again this is my experience and a warning for all. I'm going to reach out to a Panini contact on my end to see what can be done[/QUOTE]

Just want to make sure I'm reading right.

You bought boxes
Pulled the amount of autographs they said you should pull.

But are bitching it isnt the names you wanted.


I hope panini doesnt Give you anything....

[QUOTE=leewei;17456063]Wanted to give folks a heads up. I purchased a case and are through the first 9 boxes. All AUTOs (27 or so) are retail names (No 1st rounders) and only consists from the Score, Donruss Paper, Origins subsets. It may be that Panini didn't have time to insert AUTOs from other subsets.

Again this is my experience and a warning for all. I'm going to reach out to a Panini contact on my end to see what can be done[/QUOTE]

what is supposed to be in the boxes?

seems like you got what you should have gotten.

[QUOTE=leewei;17456063]Wanted to give folks a heads up. I purchased a case and are through the first 9 boxes. All AUTOs (27 or so) are retail names (No 1st rounders) and only consists from the Score, Donruss Paper, Origins subsets. It may be that Panini didn't have time to insert AUTOs from other subsets.

Again this is my experience and a warning for all. I'm going to reach out to a Panini contact on my end to see what can be done[/QUOTE]

That's Football, Man (well, breaking in general, just more FB in my experience) - Buy a case and *HOPE* to pull the one dude on the 150 card CL everyone wants

[QUOTE=Soxrule111;17456091]Just want to make sure I'm reading right.

You bought boxes
Pulled the amount of autographs they said you should pull.

But are bitching it isnt the names you wanted.


I hope panini doesnt Give you anything....[/QUOTE]

No, there's retail names and subsets when it comes to chronicles. The autos they places in FOTL are from the retail names and subsets.

[QUOTE=leewei;17456110]No, there's retail names and subsets when it comes to chronicles. The autos they places in FOTL are from the retail names and subsets.[/QUOTE]

Or at least this was my experience with literally all chronicles products

[QUOTE=leewei;17456110]No, there's retail names and subsets when it comes to chronicles. The autos they places in FOTL are from the retail names and subsets.[/QUOTE]

was there any specification as to which autos are included in these boxes.

plus it seems you have not opened all of the boxes, so how do you know what you are hoping for is not in one of those?

seems you have 7 unopened boxes


1ST OFF THE LINE CONFIGURATION·
8CARDS PER PACK·
6 PACKS PER BOX·
16 BOXES PER

CASEBOX BREAKCHRONICLES DRAFT PICKS CFB FOOTBALL2021 COLLEGIATE TRADING CARDS · 1ST OFF THE LINE3 AUTOGRAPHS1 MEMORABILIA12 OPTI-CHROME CARDS1 CRACKED ICE BASE PARLLEL

•Chronicles Draft Picks is back with a plethora of the best Panini brandsof the most sought-after players in the 2021 NFL Draft!
•Every box should have 3 autographs, 1 memorabilia and 12 opti-chrome cards per box on average!
•Chase on-card opti-chrome autographs of some of the top prospects!
•Find 12 different base sets from some of the most popular Panini brands to chase!
•Find one 1st Off the Line exlusive Cracked Ice Parallel #’d to 11

[QUOTE=glen87;17456125]was there any specification as to which autos are included in these boxes.

plus it seems you have not opened all of the boxes, so how do you know what you are hoping for is not in one of those?[/QUOTE]

Anyways just bringing this up as a warning to folks opening Chronicles FOTL, panini has done this in the past with other FOTL products, whether certain sets weren't ready for insertion or what not.

[QUOTE=leewei;17456063]Wanted to give folks a heads up. I purchased a case and are through the first 9 boxes. All AUTOs (27 or so) are retail names (No 1st rounders) and only consists from the Score, Donruss Paper, Origins subsets. It may be that Panini didn't have time to insert AUTOs from other subsets.

Again this is my experience and a warning for all. I'm going to reach out to a Panini contact on my end to see what can be done[/QUOTE]

So if you got 4 Trevor Lawrence Autos you would be complaining as well saying too many repeats, correct?

I get what you mean, the bigger hits are the silhouette and select types. Glad I didn't order then wanted to get in at floor and remembered it at like 12:15

[QUOTE=leewei;17456063]Wanted to give folks a heads up. I purchased a case and are through the first 9 boxes. All AUTOs (27 or so) are retail names (No 1st rounders) and only consists from the Score, Donruss Paper, Origins subsets. It may be that Panini didn't have time to insert AUTOs from other subsets.

Again this is my experience and a warning for all. I'm going to reach out to a Panini contact on my end to see what can be done[/QUOTE]
My case is on the way. You have my attention and now I’m worried. A FOTL case that’s better than regular hobby should not be guaranteed by any means but it absolutely should be AT LEAST on par plus have the FOTL exclusives.

How’s the collation for the various subsets? Hope you’re getting some variety. Are any of the subsets exclusive to retail? God I hope not since it’s a draft picks set but I would like to know.

Weird when someone is trying to give a heads up on a product maybe not being so great, and everyone jumps the guy to stick up for Topps and Panini.....always have found that odd.

[QUOTE=Dbacksbaseball;17456509]Weird when someone is trying to give a heads up on a product maybe not being so great, and everyone jumps the guy to stick up for Topps and Panini.....always have found that odd.[/QUOTE]

Not every box or case is going to be great is the point, you hit a Topps Triple Threads with two logomans, but I hit two scrub autos. Which is the norm? More likely mine than yours.

[QUOTE=Cavaliercards;17456516]Not every box or case is going to be great is the point, you hit a Topps Triple Threads with two logomans, but I hit two scrub autos. Which is the norm? Neither.[/QUOTE]

I agree, nothing personal. But I dont think its normal to receive a bunch of 'score' autos out of a case of Chronicles. There should be variation, in that and including of some higher end subsets.

Looking at the checklist it appears that there are 7 different auto "brands" in this.

Score
Origins
Mosaic
Donruss Rated Rookie
Flux
Limited
One

My assumption being the Limited/One autos are going to be tough to pull based on the checklist and the short printed numbering for those autos

[QUOTE=Dbacksbaseball;17456523]I agree, nothing personal. But I dont think its normal to receive a bunch of 'score' autos out of a case of Chronicles. There should be variation, in that and including of some higher end subsets.[/QUOTE]

Did not take it personal. Went back and looked at some cases we busted last year of this stuff and we got one first rounder out of our first 5 cases and three cases were no numbered autos and no autos above the basic chronicles one.

It is actually pretty standard and normal, to have cases like this across all products.

Heck Bowman Draft Baseball and 16 cases until we hit a current year first round Auto this year.

[QUOTE=Cavaliercards;17456537]Did not take it personal. Went back and looked at some cases we busted last year of this stuff and we got one first rounder out of our first 5 cases and three cases were no numbered autos and no autos above the basic chronicles one.

It is actually pretty standard and normal, to have cases like this across all products.

[B]Heck Bowman Draft Baseball and 16 cases until we hit a current year first round Auto this year[/B].[/QUOTE]


Bolded cant be played off as normal from a statistical or odds perspective.

I have seen individual boxes, of Chronicles yield multiple first rounder's and multiple numbered autos so I cant consider that normal either.

Just my 2 cents. Out of a 60 box run of TL Topps football I got 8 autos. Everyone act's like thats normal.....until it happens to them.

Its a gamble sure, but there are guidelines for the gamble that should come out in the wash.

[QUOTE=Dbacksbaseball;17456595]Bolded cant be played off as normal.

I have seen individual boxes, of Chronicles yield multiple first rounder's and multiple numbered autos so I cant consider that normal either.

Just my 2 cents. Out of a 60 box run of TL Topps football I got 8 autos. Everyone act's like thats normal.....until it happens to them.

Its a gamble sure, but there are guidelines for the gamble that should come out in the wash.[/QUOTE]

Normal no, but shouldnt be surprised when it happens. We did get them from 3 different sources before anyone asks.

Thing is as ya know there are few guidelines what to expect from cases anymore, which we have a problem with across the board.

[QUOTE=Cavaliercards;17456598]Normal no, but shouldntbe surprised when it happens. We did get them from 3 different sources before anyone asks.

Thing is as ya know there are few guidelines what to expect from cases anymore, which we have a problem with across the board.[/QUOTE]

Checklist was 72 autographs. I think just under half with 1st rounders. I open about 15 cases of draft a year. It would be statistical anomaly to open Jumbo, or SJ cases and not pull a single first round auto in 16 cases. (32 autos per case x 16= 512 autos.....would be just about the same as calling heads on 512 coin tosses and hitting every one)

Potentially better chances of winning the mega millions. Not saying it didnt happen, because it may well could of and thats not the point.

But it proves the point, we should expect better.

Apparently Mosaic Draft autos were originally signed to be inserted in Chronicles Draft but were shifted to a standalone product after the fact, which could have potentially left them short autos to fill both Chronicles Hobby and FOTL print runs.

[QUOTE=phil;17456642]Apparently Mosaic Draft autos were originally signed to be inserted in Chronicles Draft but were shifted to a standalone product after the fact, which could have potentially left them short autos to fill both Chronicles Hobby and FOTL print runs.[/QUOTE]

I don't think they were slated for this. It's just for the checklist. It was the same way with Obsidian draft last year... the checklist for that was included under the Chronicles brand. Just a standalone product. Unsure why they have them lumped together but I doubt there was ever any intention to have Mosaic as part of this Chronicles release.

[QUOTE=rmw10;17456662]I don't think they were slated for this. It's just for the checklist. It was the same way with Obsidian draft last year... the checklist for that was included under the Chronicles brand. Just a standalone product. Unsure why they have them lumped together but I doubt there was ever any intention to have Mosaic as part of this Chronicles release.[/QUOTE]



Still seems odd they ended up putting Chronicles Draft on the Mosaic redemptions.

[QUOTE=Cavaliercards;17456516]Not every box or case is going to be great is the point, you hit a Topps Triple Threads with two logomans, but I hit two scrub autos. Which is the norm? More likely mine than yours.[/QUOTE]

Outlier would be the whole case is just Unity and Phenoms subsets. But panini labeling mosaic as chronicles and running printing presses 24/7 could be pulling One into it's own college product too