Jumbo Patch Cards are 10x-200x rarer than autograph cards yet unappreciated
 

Just an opinion today:

I think most know that autographs are arguably mass-produced right now.
Star players nowadays have around [B] 5k-20k autograph cards every year[/B]
(see this thread: [url]https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1255827[/url])

Jumbo patch cards (of which I PC), on the other hand, typically have print runs of 10 or less (think 2020 Topps Tier One Prodigious Patches) and thus star players probably have around [B]100[/B] jumbo patch cards produced every year. [B]That's 10x-200x more rare than autographs.[/B]

Jumbo patch cards by no means sell for pennies, but you'd think that they'd trade for much, much more than autograph cards given the discrepancy in scarcity.

On a second note: post your favorite jumbo patch card in your PC?
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I don’t think there is a big of a discrepancy between a really nice jumbo patch like a team logo or something real nice and an auto. There is a big discrepancy between some of the manufacture for lesser jumbo patches though.

[QUOTE=Skeely;16136080]I don’t think there is a big of a discrepancy between a really nice jumbo patch like a team logo or something real nice and an auto. There is a big discrepancy between some of the manufacture for lesser jumbo patches though.[/QUOTE]


Are you questioning the discrepancy in scarcity? It’s 10x-200x based on my rough estimates


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[QUOTE=jjstock;16136084]Are you questioning the discrepancy in scarcity? It’s 10x-200x based on my rough estimates


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Prove it’s real

The newer ones are mostly player worn and not GU.

[QUOTE=jjstock;16136084]Are you questioning the discrepancy in scarcity? It’s 10x-200x based on my rough estimates


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No you are absolutely correct on scarcity I just don’t see the average players autograph selling for that much more than a really nice patch. I mean if you are comparing like an auto /10 and a patch /10 then you would be correct that the price difference is substantial. You would also be correct in the area of superstars like trout.

I guess all I’m trying to say is the discrepancy between many guys that are mid to low end isn’t huge. I do believe that jumbo itches are undervalued I just don’t think there is as big of a discrepancy as your post seems to imply. I might be wrong tho it’s just my opinion from what I have seen on eBay and stuff.

[QUOTE=jjstock;16136062]Just an opinion today:

I think most know that autographs are arguably mass-produced right now.
Star players nowadays have around [B] 5k-20k autograph cards every year[/B]
(see this thread: [url]https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1255827[/url])

Jumbo patch cards (of which I PC), on the other hand, typically have print runs of 10 or less (think 2020 Topps Tier One Prodigious Patches) and thus star players probably have around [B]100[/B] jumbo patch cards produced every year. [B]That's 10x-200x more rare than autographs.[/B]

Jumbo patch cards by no means sell for pennies, but you'd think that they'd trade for much, much more than autograph cards given the discrepancy in scarcity.

On a second note: post your favorite jumbo patch card in your PC?
[IMG]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49899562441_6ee187020f_m.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]


I think for a lot of people jersey cards of any type feel potentially illegitimate. Topps’ vague authenticity statement on most patches feels like a really broad legal brush that takes away from value. When they say “this relic isn’t from any particular game, event, or season” I tend to automatically assume it’s something they had the player throw on when they had a chance. That picture of Mark Ingram with a bunch of jerseys on from years ago comes to mind. I love when they do the authenticity stickers on them however, I think that started with 2015 Strata. I think the issue of clarity, combined with the multiple times they’ve inserted incorrect jerseys that a player could have never worn leads people to feel that even if a patch literally came off the shirt off someone’s back, an autograph is still more personal.

[QUOTE=BigL7370;16136091]The newer ones are mostly player worn and not GU.[/QUOTE]

This is huge. That’s what I’m saying. A nice game worn patch sells very well in comparison to an auto. Unless your saying that both are numbered the same at which point the scarcity argument becomes irrelevant

[QUOTE=Wiseguy917;16136087]Prove it’s real[/QUOTE]

Op is correct on scarcity if he is taking every auto from a player compared to all jumbo patches. That holds true for most players but the moment you compare a patch and auto numbered to the same amount the scarcity factor is null and void

Edit: just saw the pic in op and that card is sweet! Even with our disagreement here I can really appreciate a nice patch and would love to see more at some point.

[QUOTE=Wiseguy917;16136087]Prove it’s real[/QUOTE]

This was the first thought that came to me. I know at least Panini has been proven to use fakes.

[QUOTE=BigL7370;16136091]The newer ones are mostly player worn and not GU.[/QUOTE]


I’m not counting player worn jumbo patch cards like those too see in Select

There’s only roughly 100 jumbo patch game used cards produced every year (tier one, museum collection, flawless, national treasures)


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[QUOTE=gmarutiak;16136185]This was the first thought that came to me. I know at least Panini has been proven to use fakes.[/QUOTE]


Panini has had errant patches before, but they certainly weren’t proven to be normally using fake patches


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This changed in the new decade... Right? I was a much more involved collector as a teen in the 2000s and patches seemed to be all the rage, accompanied with the now cringe-inducing siiiiiiiick, NASTY, MOJO, etc. identifiers. I still have a lot of these and they were pricier than the associated autos.

Topps has never produced anything like 05 Donruss Prime Patches or UD's Exquisite. Autos seemed to be much more rare back then and were basically Sweet Spot or SP Authentic.

Back than, everything seemed to be much more likely to actually have been game used too. I think the current vague authenticity statements go hand in hand with the current issues.

[QUOTE=Skeely;16136103]This is huge. That’s what I’m saying. A nice game worn patch sells very well in comparison to an auto. Unless your saying that both are numbered the same at which point the scarcity argument becomes irrelevant[/QUOTE]


About your last point ...
When there’s 100 autograph sets every year all numbered to 25-200, is it really scarce?

My point is that jumbo patch cards in aggregate total 100 (probably less) per year, which is dwarfed by the 5000-20,000 autograph cards per player every year


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[QUOTE=Skeely;16136110]Op is correct on scarcity if he is taking every auto from a player compared to all jumbo patches. That holds true for most players but the moment you compare a patch and auto numbered to the same amount the scarcity factor is null and void

Edit: just saw the pic in op and that card is sweet! Even with our disagreement here I can really appreciate a nice patch and would love to see more at some point.[/QUOTE]


I have a lot of jumbo patch cards and at some point may share :)


I guess it’s hard for me to call any autograph card “scarce” even when it’s numbered to 10, simply because there’s 100 other similar looking autograph cards of the same player numbered to 10 every year


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[QUOTE=BigL7370;16136091]The newer ones are mostly player worn and not GU.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, in Panini products. Most of Topps products are game used. Only one that I know of that is player worn is inception

[QUOTE=jjstock;16136204]About your last point ...
When there’s 100 autograph sets every year all numbered to 25-200, is it really scarce?

My point is that jumbo patch cards in aggregate total 100 (probably less) per year, which is dwarfed by the 5000-20,000 autograph cards per player every year


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It’s why many of the autos from the “hit products” you are referring to sell for a large discount even if they might be a “1/1”

Essentially relevant autos are restricted to a smaller set of product...

FWIW my son loves patch cards: “dad, can I feel it???”

But the ones I love the most are game used with actual game referenced and relevant in the card, like this

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Are you not counting the In The Name relics in Topps Flagship?
Even if you're not...there are a lot of sets which combine really nice patches with autos:
Five Star, Museum, Flawless, National Treasures, Luminaries, Dynasty, Inception, Definitive, Diamond Icons to name a few. This isn't including Leaf cards, which oversaturate the patch market with products like Leaf Trinity etc
I don't know why people would pay premium for a jumbo patch when the market is flooded with (auto+patch) cards.

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Just because he's selling jumbo patches on his linked ebay account?

Purely a coincidence, I'm sure!

[QUOTE=DevonMPalmer;16136202]This changed in the new decade... Right? I was a much more involved collector as a teen in the 2000s and patches seemed to be all the rage, accompanied with the now cringe-inducing siiiiiiiick, NASTY, MOJO, etc. identifiers. I still have a lot of these and they were pricier than the associated autos.

Topps has never produced anything like 05 Donruss Prime Patches or UD's Exquisite. Autos seemed to be much more rare back then and were basically Sweet Spot or SP Authentic.

Back than, everything seemed to be much more likely to actually have been game used too. I think the current vague authenticity statements go hand in hand with the current issues.[/QUOTE]

This! It’s exactly what I think of when I hear “jumbo patch”. A frat boy breaker from 10 years ago saying “siiiiiccckkkk mojo”. I just can’t get into it.

[QUOTE=gmarutiak;16136311]Just because he's selling jumbo patches on his linked ebay account?

Purely a coincidence, I'm sure![/QUOTE]

He’s even selling the card in his profile pic LOL. Account is solely for pumping his cards.

I have no idea what is meant by jumbo patch card, but I do think there are future gains for many of the under appreciated relic type cards. I keep everything that is game used (not worth selling right now) and get rid of most of the manufactured relics although some of these will also be sought after when done right (such as this year's blaster medallions).

The only relics I actively go after are Topps Reverence and some of the rare Opening Day stuff.

My opinion may be in the minority, but I stay away from them because the certificates on them do not even say that they were ever touched by the player on the card. From a legal standpoint and using their certification on the card as it reads, they could purchase a single jersey of a scrub on the Angels and use it in Mike Trout patch cards. It would be "game used" and not from "any particular game, event, or season". This would save the companies a lot of money and I'd be willing to bet this is exactly what they do most of the time.

I miss the old Donruss and UD jersey/bat cards that read like
"You have just received a card that contains a piece of an authentic game-used bat, used by Babe Ruth, outfielder for the New York Yankees"
or
"on the front of this card is an authentic piece of a jersey worn by Ken Griffey jr in an official Reds Major League baseball game."

Why would they get rid of this language if it was still true?

I like jumbo patches but I want them to have the MLB Hologram on them or I'm confident they are real.