Shane Baz Is the PTBNL in the Chris Archer Trade!
 

Just revealed - [B]Shane Baz[/B] is headed to the Rays as the PTBNL in the Archer trade!

He, Meadows and Glasnow definitely constitute a blockbuster. Wow. :eek::eek::eek:

That is surprising

[url]https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/08/pirates-trade-shane-baz-rays-chris-archer-ptbnl.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;13819489]That is surprising[/QUOTE]

That was the rumor that had been going around on Twitter since the deal was made, but I agree it is still surprising.

Kicked the Pirates right in the junk.....

Future pitching looking promising.
Snell
McKay
Honeywell
Baz
Beeks
Glasnow
De Leon

Sure some questionable guys, but future looks bright

Turns out Rays were right to hold as long as they did. I think they did quite well, especially given Archer has really dropped off of late

Wooooaowwwww.

Don’t remember a PTBNL having that much juice in a long time

Doesn't Chris Archer only have one more year of control than Gerrit Cole? I don't really get trading Cole, then giving up a ton for Archer. I know they didn't happen like back to back, but close enough.

Way to go Rays!

[QUOTE=Orange October;13819585]Doesn't Chris Archer only have one more year of control than Gerrit Cole? I don't really get trading Cole, then giving up a ton for Archer. I know they didn't happen like back to back, but close enough.[/QUOTE]

the nuttings have to blow everything up when the pirates get close to having any real success. neal is a great gm though.

where are all of the pirates fans telling me this was a good deal. You traded for nothing more than a #4 starter.

[QUOTE=Orange October;13819585]Doesn't Chris Archer only have one more year of control than Gerrit Cole? I don't really get trading Cole, then giving up a ton for Archer. I know they didn't happen like back to back, but close enough.[/QUOTE]

I brought this up a few weeks ago and the pirates fans said I was dumb. lol so delusional

Not sure what the Pirates are doing here. Archer isn't enough to close the gap on the NL Central, and they sent the Rays a haul. Tampa did incredible though.

Gausman > Archer

Return of Gausman <<<<< return of Archer

Very good job Rays. I thought it was going to be a 1st or 2nd rounder from the 2018 draft (hence, the PTBNL), but may be even better.

Pirates have been pretty conservative with Baz (1 step/level per year) and assume the Rays may do the same. I am guessing he finishes the year at Princeton and starts 2019 in Bowling Green (unless they are uber conservative and have him go to XST/Hudson Valley).

[QUOTE=Chicharito;13819836]Gausman > Archer

Return of Gausman <<<<< return of Archer[/QUOTE]

Based on the returns in both, looks like O's were more intent on acquiring International slot $$ & dumping O'Day's contract on someone in the Gausman deal vs. return they got for Gausman as I think they now have the most International $$$ to try and sign Victor Victor Mesa

[QUOTE=Orange October;13819585]Doesn't Chris Archer only have one more year of control than Gerrit Cole? I don't really get trading Cole, then giving up a ton for Archer. I know they didn't happen like back to back, but close enough.[/QUOTE]



I think Cole was miserable in Pittsburgh and he was pitching like it. As a fan I was not sad to see him go.

Now was the Archer trade good? I think we will have to wait until next season to really see how good/bad it is.

[QUOTE=seanbros55;13819567]Wooooaowwwww.

Don’t remember a PTBNL having that much juice in a long time[/QUOTE]

Plenty of good talent go to teams as a PTBNL. The most recent was Turner from SD to WSH.

Baz has been killing it lately too. Not sure how to feel about this.

Thanks Pirates. I always wanted a Tampa Bay Rays PC.

Wow. A bad trade for the Pirates gets worse.

[QUOTE=Orange October;13819585]Doesn't Chris Archer only have one more year of control than Gerrit Cole? I don't really get trading Cole, then giving up a ton for Archer. I know they didn't happen like back to back, but close enough.[/QUOTE]

Pirates have two team options so he’s under control for three more years.

Reminds me of Indians trading Pomeranz and White for Ubaldo Jimenez

Seemed the Indians were fleeced at the time but both teams ended up getting a pile of poop

Pomeranz did turn it around once leaving the Rockies organization

Archer is a MUCH better pitcher

Pirates fans can’t make up their minds. They want the front office to make big moves and then when they do, they complain about it. But they do that about everything Pirates related, so I guess they are consistent.