Anyone else watched Making of a Murderer?
 

We're halfway through as I type this and completely engrossed. My wife has already screamed and cried watching it - something similar to Dassey's situation happened to her brother.

I realize that any criminal documentary is going to slant the view one way or the other just through the simple process of editing. I'm waiting until we finish to go in and look at other sources. At this point though, the fact that Mantiwoc's PD investigated Halbach's scene after being told not to and were the ones that found the damning evidence days later while losing a civil suit to Avery just seems way too convenient.

Anyone else watching???

Yup and happened in my state not far from me at all. Alot if evidence was left out when we were all following the story back then. I believe they at least deserve a fair trial and they did not get one. The key was clearly planted so that alone should get something done but it hasn't.

Watched it happen on the local news over the course of years. It's nice to have it all put into a nice package, but none of it was a surprise to me.

If you're halfway through, you haven't even got to the good stuff yet.. :D

I watched it all in almost one sitting, got through it within a day, it is quite an emotion stirring piece of work indeed.

How long is it? Happened in my state and followed it fairly closely. Don't know if I should watch that or continue with Homeland and then watch if after a season.

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/3ynmi0/anonymous_will_publish_evidence_to_help_the/[/url]

I'm about half way through...I'm pretty sure at this point that he was framed

[QUOTE=GreatAlbert;10292736]How long is it? Happened in my state and followed it fairly closely. Don't know if I should watch that or continue with Homeland and then watch if after a season.[/QUOTE]

Watch. I'm not far from you and it condenses it all into one. The court scenes drag a bit, but it's worth it. You can't really get a good sense of the whole scope of the story just by seeing it on the news over the course of months/years even like we did being local.

[QUOTE=theacox;10292774]Watch. I'm not far from you and it condenses it all into one. The court scenes drag a bit, but it's worth it. You can't really get a good sense of the whole scope of the story just by seeing it on the news over the course of months/years even like we did being local.[/QUOTE]

Sounds good. Going to finish up the last episode of Season 1 of Homeland and hopefully get this done in a day or two.

Clicking the reddit link next.

For those of you who were local to this case and have seen the series - the presentation is somewhat evenhanded?

[QUOTE=TheFrenzy;10292838]Clicking the reddit link next.

For those of you who were local to this case and have seen the series - the presentation is somewhat evenhanded?[/QUOTE]

It was so long and drawn out that it was hard to judge. You just got numbed to it by the years-long timing. It really dragged until Brendan got involved. Then, it seemed to me like things accelerated, but everything felt really dirty.

A little slow at times but was totally engrossed. Fascinating look at the criminal justice system, at least from this perspective.

[QUOTE=longisland;10292879]A little slow at times but was totally engrossed. Fascinating look at the criminal justice system, at least from this perspective.[/QUOTE]

Anyone else watched the Kids For Cash prison scandal documentary that's been on Netflix? (I don't know if it still is)

[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal[/URL]

[QUOTE=GreatAlbert;10292736]How long is it? Happened in my state and followed it fairly closely. Don't know if I should watch that or continue with Homeland and then watch if after a season.[/QUOTE]

HOMELAND is freaking phenomenal... Finish homeland and then get ready for this Netflix roller coaster :)

Just finished it.

I didn't scream or cry like I did when watching Dear Zachary, but my blood is definitely boiling right now.

Just finished Ep 4 with the big reveal at the end about the evidence from 1985. Unbelievable.

Is this show appropriate for a 15 year old girl? Looking for a new show to watch with my wife and daughter and I have heard so much about this already. I love 20/20 type stuff, but wondering if the content might be a bit much for my teenage daughter? Appreciate the insight. Thanks!

[QUOTE=pejc300;10293704]Is this show appropriate for a 15 year old girl? Looking for a new show to watch with my wife and daughter and I have heard so much about this already. I love 20/20 type stuff, but wondering if the content might be a bit much for my teenage daughter? Appreciate the insight. Thanks![/QUOTE]

It's a lot. This is a "to each his own" question, but personally I wouldn't let my 15 yo daughter watch it.

[QUOTE=TheFrenzy;10292838]Clicking the reddit link next.

For those of you who were local to this case and have seen the series - the presentation is somewhat evenhanded?[/QUOTE]

No, it is not evenhanded.

Please don't jump to a conclusion based on what a documentary shows. If the documentary was evenhanded, there wouldn't be an appeal for Netflix to show it in the first place.

About to start the 6th episode now. I am trying to reserve judgement until I have finished the entire 10 episodes. While I feel that the film is remarkably cohesive considering it covers 10 years worth of subject matter it is blatantly one sided. I am enjoying it, I am thinking constructively, I am willing to listen, but I can't help but feel that the filmmakers went to the Michael Moore school of film making.

[QUOTE=pejc300;10293704]Is this show appropriate for a 15 year old girl? Looking for a new show to watch with my wife and daughter and I have heard so much about this already. I love 20/20 type stuff, but wondering if the content might be a bit much for my teenage daughter? Appreciate the insight. Thanks![/QUOTE]

well I'm a 15 year old boy and I'm fine...It depends on how sensitive she is to touchy subjects

20 minutes into episode 6 and the obvious slant continues. A lady who extracted DNA from a bullet fragment identified Theresa's DNA profile on the bullet. In the process of creating a control environment, which is used to identify anomalies, she realized that her DNA profile was also showing up in the results. This is not uncommon nor does it rarely if ever happen. The filmmakers and the defense would have you believe that this is an egregious error. It's not. The systems that were in place worked as they were designed to do.

[QUOTE=Ray27Ray52;10294638]About to start the 6th episode now. I am trying to reserve judgement until I have finished the entire 10 episodes. While I feel that the film is remarkably cohesive considering it covers 10 years worth of subject matter it is blatantly one sided. I am enjoying it, I am thinking constructively, I am willing to listen, but I can't help but feel that the filmmakers went to the Michael Moore school of film making.[/QUOTE]

Indeed, but you have to expect that. The title of the film is "Making a Murderer". The intent is to try to prove that the Manitowoc PD made a murderer out of a man who isn't.

[QUOTE=calculusdork;10294936]Indeed, but you have to expect that. The title of the film is "Making a Murderer". The intent is to try to prove that the Manitowoc PD made a murderer out of a man who isn't.[/QUOTE]

If that be the case, then you'd hope people would see this as entertainment...which it is, and not a basis for people to make a fully informed decision...which seemingly everyone is doing.

[QUOTE=nate3579;10295008]If that be the case, then you'd hope people would see this as entertainment...which it is, and not a basis for people to make a fully informed decision...which seemingly everyone is doing.[/QUOTE]

Agreed 100%.

EDIT: Even if it is slanted, and it is .... if you decide not to make any judgments about whether or not Avery is guilty, it's still an incredibly alarming look into one local criminal justice system. I think there's zero doubt that a handful of cops in that system wanted Avery to have done it.

Buting's questioning of the FBI laboratory/agent who tested the blood samples from the Rav4 was an abomination. The agent showed remarkable restraint from what was shown in the film. This guy had zero vested interest in this case. He had no connection to the deceased, the accused, or the local police department. The entire line of questioning was ridiculous and out of order in my opinion.

I'm an innocent man and everyone knows I'm innocent so I have no reason to testify. Ummmm... ok riggggghhhttttt.

At this point in the show, the only thing I'm nearly 100% sure about is that Steven Avery knows what happened to her.

[QUOTE=pejc300;10293704]Is this show appropriate for a 15 year old girl? Looking for a new show to watch with my wife and daughter and I have heard so much about this already. I love 20/20 type stuff, but wondering if the content might be a bit much for my teenage daughter? Appreciate the insight. Thanks![/QUOTE]

If you let her watch something like Law & Order SVU, this is not as bad as that.

[QUOTE=calculusdork;10295993]At this point in the show, the only thing I'm nearly 100% sure about is that Steven Avery knows what happened to her.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I was really perturbed initially but [URL="http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movies_and_tv/is-steven-avery-guilty-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php"]read a little more into it[/URL] - not sure what to believe and in what capacity; however, I agree with Dean Strang (one of the attorneys): I sure hope Steven Avery and Brandon Dassey are guilty.

[QUOTE=Ooosh;10296099]Yeah I was really perturbed initially but [URL="http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movies_and_tv/is-steven-avery-guilty-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php"]read a little more into it[/URL] - not sure what to believe and in what capacity; however, I agree with Dean Strang (one of the attorneys): I sure hope Steven Avery and Brandon Dassey are guilty.[/QUOTE]

Indeed. We are thru 6 episodes, and not having previously seen any of the additional evidence that is presented in that article, my assumption was already both that Avery is guilty and the PD planted evidence

The only aspect of the 10-part series that is 100% clear is that the primary characters (Lenk and Colton) in a multimillion dollar lawsuit planted evidence.

End of story.

That fact alone should necessitate a mistrial. Literally nothing else matters with the above being true. The accused's name could be Judas Hitler the Hun and the very legal foundation of our justice system would demand everything be reset and retried.

I'm on episode 4 as I type.

If it turns out this kid really didn't do anything then these grown men obviously manipulating him need to go to jail. It's really sad to watch.

I am 4 or 5 episodes in, and it is great entertainment.

2 episodes left. I have to credit Netflix. The way they put this together was amazing. Obviously, a lot of the story speaks for itself, but the way they built the story, and all the twists and turns is incredible. Can't wait to finish it tonight!

I'm sure that an investigation couldn't have been conducted any worse, the prosecutor was doing what he was supposed to, but there was a lot of information put out to the public that should not have been released.
I'm sure there's a lot of information not presented in the video, but man, I'm surprised there isn't some sort of repercussions for all that were involved.

i can't understand how this didn't end in a mistrial once the one juror had to leave after deliberations started. that doesn't seem fair to me, even if there exists an option to continue with a sub.



honestly, i don't know if the guy did it or not after watching. What I do know is that there are a ton of glaring inconsistencies that prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that evidence was planted and tampered with, and the local PD was definitely involved more than they should have been the 2nd time around.


this whole trial should have been conducted in another state with a better chance of jurors not already filled up with personal biases.

I am 6 episodes in and the PD is guilty. I havent seen any real evidence to confirm he did it. I do think its possible he did it though. Now the kid. Wow. They did him 3x as dirty. That lawyer he has should lose his right to practice.

Where is the blood?! Not a drop of her blood, up until ep. 6, was found??

[QUOTE=calculusdork;10295993]At this point in the show, the only thing I'm nearly 100% sure about is that Steven Avery knows what happened to her.[/QUOTE]

Just finished, and this above is really the only thing I can say to this point. Do I think he is guilty, absolutely without a doubt. But the way evidence was presented and the times it was found give me reason to think. I do think the Brendan had something to do with it, but to what extent I have no idea. I think his trial was severely mishandled.

Great documentary and sad to say this happened in my state, but the slant that was on the documentary was heavy and it is a good idea to do some holistic research on both sides before you form your own opinion not based solely off these ten episodes.

I just finished it and really don't know what to think.

I mean your supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. I don't know if he is guilty or not, but I thought the lawyers did a great job of creating reasonable doubt.

Im assuming nothing ever came of Lenk lying under oath. That prosecutor just aggravated me.

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i did read a press-release from the prosecutor stating that the doc leaves out a big piece of evidence- that the guy on trial had called AT office and specifically asked for the same girl that came the previous day, and used the *67 feature when calling her cell. Then, after the murder took place, tried to make an un-blocked call to give himself an alibi.


now, I also take everything that prosecutor says with a grain of salt, considering he had to resign due to a sexting scandal a few years ago.

I also felt that the defense did a great job of proving a reasonable doubt. I found the closing arguments of the prosecution to be confusing and misleading as well.

[QUOTE=Clarka3;10308338]i did read a press-release from the prosecutor stating that the doc leaves out a big piece of evidence- that the guy on trial had called AT office and specifically asked for the same girl that came the previous day, and used the *67 feature when calling her cell. Then, after the murder took place, tried to make an un-blocked call to give himself an alibi.


now, I also take everything that prosecutor says with a grain of salt, considering he had to resign due to a sexting scandal a few years ago.

I also felt that the defense did a great job of proving a reasonable doubt. I found the closing arguments of the prosecution to be confusing and misleading as well.[/QUOTE]

What made me sick was the prosecutor kept saying how horrible it was that they were accusing these cops of framing him. Like he wasn't sitting there accusing Steven of something so much worse.

He said " if you find him not guilty you are saying that these cops killed, and mutilated her"

The bone ash found in the rock quarry, that's the nail in the coffin for me.

Clearly she wasn't killed and burned on the property and then a small bit of her ashes taken to a rock quarry.

Clearly she was killed in the quarry and then the majority of her ashes taken to the property.

Changes everything.

[QUOTE=Sauceman;10307498]Where is the blood?[/QUOTE]

I'm with this...couldn't they have sprayed luminol throughout the trailer to detect blood splatter?? They couldn't possibly clean every drop up....and then what about any evidence of chains/cuffs being used on the bed?

[QUOTE=jlcherry2477;10311146]I'm with this...couldn't they have sprayed luminol throughout the trailer to detect blood splatter?? They couldn't possibly clean every drop up....and then what about any evidence of chains/cuffs being used on the bed?[/QUOTE]

It is my biggest problem with the whole thing. So much is based on the "confession", yet not one single drop of blood, let alone the GUYSER that would result from a sliced throat, was ever found in the trailer, or the garage. Just absolutely mind boggling. After watching all ten episodes my best guess is that someone residing on the Avery compound (quite possibly Steven) saw Theresa as an easy mark, and ended up killing her. I just hope some day the truth is uncovered.

[QUOTE=jbrandonw;10310573]What made me sick was the prosecutor kept saying how horrible it was that they were accusing these cops of framing him. Like he wasn't sitting there accusing Steven of something so much worse.

He said " if you find him not guilty you are saying that these cops killed, and mutilated her"[/QUOTE]

yeah that's the part that got me during the closing arguments. I was like "is he really trying to say that and the judge isn't checking him?"

Good show and all but seems they left a lot out, just minutes of research brings up:


[I]— Avery had purchased handcuffs and leg irons like the ones Dassey described holding Halbach only three weeks before (Avery said he’s purchased them for use with his girlfriend, Jodi, with whom he’d had a tumultuous relationship — at one point, he was ordered by police to stay away from her for three days). [/I]

[I]— Here’s the piece of evidence that was presented at trial but not in the series that I find most convincing: In Dassey’s illegally obtained statement, Dassey stated that he helped Avery moved the RAV4 into the junkyard and that Avery had lifted the hood and removed the battery cable. Even if you believe that the blood in Halbach’s car was planted by the cops (as I do), there was also non-blood DNA evidence on the hood latch. I don’t believe the police would plant — or know to plant — that evidence.[/I]

[I]In the months leading up to Halbach’s disappearance, Avery had called Auto Trader several times and always specifically requested Halbach to come out and take the photos. Halbach had complained to her boss that she didn’t want to go out to Avery’s trailer anymore, because once when she came out, Avery was waiting for her wearing only a towel (this was excluded for being too inflammatory). Avery clearly had an obsession with Halbach. On the day that Halbach went missing, Avery had called her three times, twice from a *67 number to hide his identity. Teresa’s camera and palm pilot were found in Avery’s burn barrel. [/I]

[I]M. Did he make you do this?
B. Ya.
M. Then why didn't you tell him that.
B. Tell him what?
M. That Steven made you do it. You know he made you do a lot of things.
B. Ya, I told them that. I even told them about Steven touching me and that.
M. What do you mean touching you?
[B]B. He would grab me somewhere where I was uncomfortable.[/B]
M. Brendan I am your mother.
B. Ya.
M. Why didn't you come to me? Why didn't you tell me? Was this all before this happened?
B. What do you mean?
M. All before this happened, did he touch you before all this stuff happened to you.
B. Ya.
M. Why didn't you come to me, because then he would have been gone then and this wouldn't have happened.
B. Ya
M. Yes, and you would still be here with me.
B. Yes, Well you know I did it.
M. Huh
[B]B. You know he always touched us and that.[/B]
M. I didn't think there. He used to horse around with you guys.
[B]B. Ya, but you remember he would always do stuff to Brian and that.[/B]
M. What do you mean.
B. Well he would like fake pumping him
M. Goofing around
B. Ya but, like that one time when he was going with what's her name Jessica's sister.
M. Teresa?
[B]B. Ya. That one day when she was over, Steven and Blaine and Brian and I was downstairs and Steven was touching her and that.[/B]
M. Really
B. Ya.
M. Oh, he makes me so sick[/I]

Obviously corrupt cops and there's that lady he claims her husband did it and stuff but hmm.

A petition to pardon Avery has reached 100,000 signatures. Ridiculous. An investigation perhaps? I'm all for it. But an outright pardon and release from prison based on a slanted documentary is just laughable. Just a sign of the times with the mindless sheep that make the world go round.

[QUOTE=xbignick;10312383]Good show and all but seems they left a lot out, just minutes of research brings up:


[I]— Avery had purchased handcuffs and leg irons like the ones Dassey described holding Halbach only three weeks before (Avery said he’s purchased them for use with his girlfriend, Jodi, with whom he’d had a tumultuous relationship — at one point, he was ordered by police to stay away from her for three days). [/I]

[I]— Here’s the piece of evidence that was presented at trial but not in the series that I find most convincing: In Dassey’s illegally obtained statement, Dassey stated that he helped Avery moved the RAV4 into the junkyard and that Avery had lifted the hood and removed the battery cable. Even if you believe that the blood in Halbach’s car was planted by the cops (as I do), there was also non-blood DNA evidence on the hood latch. I don’t believe the police would plant — or know to plant — that evidence.[/I]

[I]In the months leading up to Halbach’s disappearance, Avery had called Auto Trader several times and always specifically requested Halbach to come out and take the photos. Halbach had complained to her boss that she didn’t want to go out to Avery’s trailer anymore, because once when she came out, Avery was waiting for her wearing only a towel (this was excluded for being too inflammatory). Avery clearly had an obsession with Halbach. On the day that Halbach went missing, Avery had called her three times, twice from a *67 number to hide his identity. Teresa’s camera and palm pilot were found in Avery’s burn barrel. [/I]

[I]M. Did he make you do this?
B. Ya.
M. Then why didn't you tell him that.
B. Tell him what?
M. That Steven made you do it. You know he made you do a lot of things.
B. Ya, I told them that. I even told them about Steven touching me and that.
M. What do you mean touching you?
[B]B. He would grab me somewhere where I was uncomfortable.[/B]
M. Brendan I am your mother.
B. Ya.
M. Why didn't you come to me? Why didn't you tell me? Was this all before this happened?
B. What do you mean?
M. All before this happened, did he touch you before all this stuff happened to you.
B. Ya.
M. Why didn't you come to me, because then he would have been gone then and this wouldn't have happened.
B. Ya
M. Yes, and you would still be here with me.
B. Yes, Well you know I did it.
M. Huh
[B]B. You know he always touched us and that.[/B]
M. I didn't think there. He used to horse around with you guys.
[B]B. Ya, but you remember he would always do stuff to Brian and that.[/B]
M. What do you mean.
B. Well he would like fake pumping him
M. Goofing around
B. Ya but, like that one time when he was going with what's her name Jessica's sister.
M. Teresa?
[B]B. Ya. That one day when she was over, Steven and Blaine and Brian and I was downstairs and Steven was touching her and that.[/B]
M. Really
B. Ya.
M. Oh, he makes me so sick[/I]

Obviously corrupt cops and there's that lady he claims her husband did it and stuff but hmm.[/QUOTE]

Just seconds of research shows the main sources the person who wrote the article quoted is just Reddit threads, probably rife with trolling, misinformation, and fantasy fiction theories...the claims are not currently backed by any proven evidence not handled by potentially corrupt law officials. Phone conversations were shown to be all over the place, admitting and not admitting things.....shackles purchase if true could be said to be a source for the boy's story about her on the bed, if he had seen them, I mean, the murder scenario involving her being cut in there seems silly IF there wasn't any blood or DNA found in there. Camera and palm pilot found in barrel? No more damning than HER BONES FOUND THERE ha ha if someone dumped the bones there, might as well have dumped her phone and such too..IF. I've also read someone saying Avery's DNA was on the phone and such...but still, just Internet claims unless someone backs it with proof of some convincing sort, which maybe there is? Internet don't know currently...

Her body sure did get around though (according to show showing prosecution's case)...throat cut in the bedroom, then shot in the garage....then stored in the back of her vehicle(they said the blood in the rear was hers and the pattern was from her hair)...then burned in the burn pit...OR maybe killed somewhere by someone via one of the other theories and the police found her and her vehicle at the quarry (where pieces of her pelvis bones were found according to the show/ also it would explain the cop potentially calling to run the plate as shown in the show ala he was looking at it) and then relocated it to save their careers and avoid a 36 million lawsuit.

What a mess it all is....I wouldn't be surprised if he did it, wouldn't be surprised if he didn't. I say we let him out and see if he kills again just to better gauge the situation.:)! I mean, he has served 18 years++ already, not like people don't get less than that for murder from time to time.

There's also a Reddit discussion and I guess youtube videos from a guy claiming it was all a part of secret cult sex club thing that a lot of the town is involved in..lol..that one has a pretty good plot.

[QUOTE=Ray27Ray52;10313672]A petition to pardon Avery has reached 100,000 signatures. Ridiculous. An investigation perhaps? I'm all for it. But an outright pardon and release from prison based on a slanted documentary is just laughable. Just a sign of the times with the mindless sheep that make the world go round.[/QUOTE]

Ex freaking zactly. The power of social media (or any media) in general is grotesque. The damn sheep cannot even do their own research before spouting off and defending a subject like they are eyewitness experts. Scientific studies and unbiased reports are NEVER taken into account. I guarantee most people wouldn't even know where to look for scientific journals. So many jerkoffs on my FB sharing "studies" or "dangers" about this and that, makes me wanna go back to the damn stone age. End rant.

I finished the documentary a few days ago and looked at as a very biased documentary, but it did show some corrupt and very inept handlings of this case. I cannot have a valid opinion on the actual case without looking at court documents myself and further research. Very entertaining though, I'd recommend to someone for entertainment. Not a jackwagon looking for a blind crusade to support.

here's my thing- either the guy is a criminal mastermind or he isn't.


they tried to paint him as such, but then he would park her vehicle in PLAIN SIGHT in their own junkyard? sure.



I didn't sign that petition that went around, but i would definitely sign one to have a third party to go over the case.

so is it a episode thing or one big documentary thing?

[QUOTE=avjp87;10316920]so is it a episode thing or one big documentary thing?[/QUOTE]

it's 10 one hour-ish episodes

Man, this was an incredible roller coaster ride. So many questions, so many frustrating outcomes. Bravo to the people who put this thing together. It was absolutely riveting.

-Mom mentioned this the other day. Do they even try to make it a balanced view of the case or is the entire thing slanted? I don't know a lot about it, don't want to waste my time if it's got an agenda to sell.

lobo_hacker

[QUOTE=lobo_hacker;10318346]-Mom mentioned this the other day. Do they even try to make it a balanced view of the case or is the entire thing slanted? I don't know a lot about it, don't want to waste my time if it's got an agenda to sell.

lobo_hacker[/QUOTE]

I would say the slant is probably about 65/35. The first couple of episodes are slanted but with a justifiable reason. From then on, yes, the documentary aims to convince you that a man has been wrongfully imprisoned and therefore does not tell the entire story.

My advice to anyone watching the documentary would be to focus less on whether or not Steven Avery is guilty, and more on the corruption within the Manitowoc PD and the numerous mishandlings of the murder case.

I don't see how he can be convicted. Too much reasonable doubt. What they did to that kid is ridiculous. His first lawyer along with that investigator should be thrown in prison.

[QUOTE=babyfaceposey;10318694]I don't see how he can be convicted. Too much reasonable doubt. What they did to that kid is ridiculous. His first lawyer along with that investigator should be thrown in prison.[/QUOTE]

That was the hardest part of the series to watch IMO. The interrogation process in and of itself is entirely imprudent. I cannot BELIEVE that it is legal to interrogate a minor in ANY state without the presence of his/her legal guardian.

[QUOTE=calculusdork;10318747]That was the hardest part of the series to watch IMO. The interrogation process in and of itself is entirely imprudent. I cannot BELIEVE that it is legal to interrogate a minor in ANY state without the presence of his/her legal guardian.[/QUOTE]

It was hard to watch. When I finished the series I told my kids if they are ever arrested for anything. Do not say anything until they talk to my wife or me so we can get them a lawyer. No way in hell I would allow a public defender handle my childs case. I understand they could not afford it, but the lack of common sense of Brendens mother was mind boggling to allow him to be questioned without her in the room.

[QUOTE=babyfaceposey;10318694]I don't see how he can be convicted. Too much reasonable doubt. What they did to that kid is ridiculous. His first lawyer along with that investigator should be thrown in prison.[/QUOTE]

Thats what I'm saying. I don't know if he did it or not. I don't see how the jury could either. It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, but that clearly wasn't the case here.

[QUOTE=calculusdork;10318747]That was the hardest part of the series to watch IMO. The interrogation process in and of itself is entirely imprudent. I cannot BELIEVE that it is legal to interrogate a minor in ANY state without the presence of his/her legal guardian.[/QUOTE]

Let alone someone with his mental capacity.

During Brandons testimony in court he says he made it all up from a book called Kiss The Girls.I did a quick search for the book and its about a rapist serial killer. That got my attention. It didnt seem like they even questioned him any further about the book.

[QUOTE=tacoma34;10319234]Let alone someone with his mental capacity.[/QUOTE]

I teach special education and the first thing that stood out at the beginning of the movie was that his IQ was 70....that is well below average and just above what one would consider intellectually disabled. From that point, between he and Brendan, I found it hard to believe the accuracy and even truth in anything they said.

Watched it 10 hours straight, I had to watch the whole thing, I just could not believe what I was seeing and hearing. The lengths the police department & state went to just for Avery was just unreal and to have dragged Dassey into it was just sad. After watching that I then watched The Jinx, The Central Park Five and The Imposter which I recommend if anyone hasn't seen them.

I just watched the first episode. To exploit a man with an iq of 70 and 4 kids is sickening. He had a very solid alibi. I just don't get it.

I have no clue when I will get to watch the last 9.

OMG...on episode 3 and I can't stop yelling at the screen! It's a great show but I don't know if I can make it episode 10 without throwing the television out the window. The DA, the sheriff & the detectives who interview the slow 16 year old kid all deserve to be thrown in prison for life, some place where cop hating sexual offenders dominate the population. I honestly don't think I'll be able to finish the season because it's so damn infuriating!

If he is found guilty at the end I might just have stroke. (No spoilers please!)

[QUOTE=death2redemptions;10323385]OMG...on episode 3 and I can't stop yelling at the screen! It's a great show but I don't know if I can make it episode 10 without throwing the television out the window. The DA, the sheriff & the detectives who interview the slow 16 year old kid all deserve to be thrown in prison for life, some place where cop hating sexual offenders dominate the population. I honestly don't think I'll be able to finish the season because it's so damn infuriating!

If he is found guilty at the end I might just have stroke. (No spoilers please!)[/QUOTE]

I'm kinda stuck at episode 4 because I can't think clearly. Specifically how both accused are 2 pancakes short of a stack and the fact that if any of the kids story is correct how is there not blood anywhere and why would blood be in the vehicle if she was killed on site and burned there as well. Perplexing to say the least, I however, want to believe that the police have the best of intentions. At this point I'm at a stalemate.

[QUOTE=mrmojorisin71;10323596]I'm kinda stuck at episode 4 because I can't think clearly. Specifically how both accused are 2 pancakes short of a stack and the fact that if any of the kids story is correct how is there not blood anywhere and why would blood be in the vehicle if she was killed on site and burned there as well. Perplexing to say the least, I however, want to believe that the police have the best of intentions. At this point I'm at a stalemate.[/QUOTE]

The fact that the slow nephew was questioned without a lawyer or parent present boggles my mind. Isn't that completely illegal?

[QUOTE=death2redemptions;10323971]The fact that the slow nephew was questioned without a lawyer or parent present boggles my mind. Isn't that completely illegal?[/QUOTE]

Unethical, illegal and disgusting if you ask me. Don't we have a resident lawyer around here?

I currently live (34+ years) and grew up 30 miles from Manitowoc, I really do believe his fate "trial-wise" was set even before going to trial. The family even prior to this mess is [U]so[/U] disliked in the area, and there is no way in the world he would have ever received a fair trial in or near Manitowoc. It's a shame, guilty or not, that I don't have an opinion on, but trial wise he and anyone in a mess deserves a fair just trial, and that I do not believe he received.

This documentary has sure created an uproar in the near surrounding area, not sure if that's good or bad.

[QUOTE=death2redemptions;10323971]The fact that the slow nephew was questioned without a lawyer or parent present boggles my mind. Isn't that completely illegal?[/QUOTE]

I do agree with that (at least I think it would be true), and I also believe that if it were illegal, the information from that interrogation would be thrown out....the. Again, logic doesn't always unfold as it seems.