Players you thought were in the Hall of fame but are not.
 

This is not a discussion of who belongs, more a discussion of players who you THOUGHT were in the hall of fame but are not. Example for me is Don Mattingly. I thought he was actually in the hall. Another one was Lou Whitaker.

For some reason I always thought Vida Blue was in the Hall, but I found out fairly recently he wasn't.

I bought a Frank Howard jersey card for my HOF'er collection...whomp.whomp.

Dale Murphy, Thurman Munson, Dave Parker

As I am a student of the Hall there really isn't anyone not in who I thought was in. However, I did once forget that Alan Trammell was a Veteran's Committee selection rather than a BBWAA selection. Still blows my mind.

[QUOTE=rizzeedizzee;20050677]Dale Murphy, Thurman Munson, Dave Parker[/QUOTE]

Dave Parker was inducted this year. He died a month before the ceremony.

I always thought Roger Maris was in the Hall, I used to stare at the back of his 1965 Topps card and thought he was the greatest player ever.

Shohei Ohtani

Harold Baines

Pete Rose

Eddie Gaedel, Buddy Biancalana, Pedro Cerrano

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;20050705]Harold Baines[/QUOTE]

I was right about to be like wha? but I think I know what you're doing here.

[QUOTE=ottobord;20050701]I always thought Roger Maris was in the Hall, I used to stare at the back of his 1965 Topps card and thought he was the greatest player ever.[/QUOTE]



This post told me Roger Maris isn't in the hall of fame so does that count?

[QUOTE=jdandns;20050713]Eddie Gaedel, Buddy Biancalana, Pedro Cerrano[/QUOTE]
10 year rule ineligible. ;)

Sidd Finch

I still have to occasionally remind myself that Orel Hershiser isn’t in the Hall.

Barry Bonds

Lenny Dykstra

Willie Randolph.

[QUOTE=Skipscards;20050678]As I am a student of the Hall there really isn't anyone not in who I thought was in. However, I did once forget that Alan Trammell was a Veteran's Committee selection rather than a BBWAA selection. Still blows my mind.[/QUOTE]

Not as bad as Arky Vaughan or Johnny Mize.

[QUOTE=rizzeedizzee;20050677]Dale Murphy, Thurman Munson, Dave Parker[/QUOTE]

2 for Thurman Munson. I learned on here in the last 24-48 hours that he is not.

[QUOTE=Tarvan;20050871]Barry Bonds[/QUOTE]

Liberty Flames legend Sid bream

Luis Tiant - was a little before my time but people always spoke him reverently. Was surprised that he was on the outside looking in.

[QUOTE=rogueriver;20050652]Example for me is Don Mattingly.[/QUOTE]

Why? Just assume any half decent Yankee gets the call? That's understandable, so many unearned awards and plaques just because one donned pinstripes.

[QUOTE=Handsome Wes;20051034]Luis Tiant - was a little before my time but people always spoke him reverently. Was surprised that he was on the outside looking in.[/QUOTE]

Really? That surprises me too.

When I was much younger, I just assumed Roger Maris was in the Hall. Can't think of anyone else.

Jim Abbott.

Will Clark. Was having a conversations about SEC baseball players in the HOF. I asked, "Who are the 2?". Their reply was Frank Thomas and Will Clark. In reality, it's Thomas and Helton. I thought that Will Clark was a great guess though.

My confusion always comes with those who are honored in the HOF - rather than enshrined.

Example - Abbot and Costello both appear in pics and the gold record of “Who’s on First” - so there are in the HoF… but they aren’t enshrined

[QUOTE=ottobord;20050701]I always thought Roger Maris was in the Hall, I used to stare at the back of his 1965 Topps card and thought he was the greatest player ever.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=f2tornado;20051430]When I was much younger, I just assumed Roger Maris was in the Hall. Can't think of anyone else.[/QUOTE]

Definitely had this same exact thought in the past

Lou Whitaker and Kenny Lofton

[QUOTE=MiamiMarlinsFan;20050864]I still have to occasionally remind myself that Orel Hershiser isn’t in the Hall "[B]YET[/B]".[/QUOTE]

Fixed it for you ;-)

[QUOTE=rats60;20050949]Not as bad as Arky Vaughan or Johnny Mize.[/QUOTE]


Arky is an interesting back story. Sat out three years because he clashed with Durocher. Sits for three years and comes back and puts up a .325 BA at the age of 35. Died at 40 while trying to save his friend after their boat overturned. Can't be too many of his auto's floating around. I'm lucky to have his auto on a PCL SF Seals reunion ball.

Probably Roger Maris. Even recently I thought he was voted in through a committee.

[QUOTE=Handsome Wes;20051033]Liberty Flames legend Sid bream[/QUOTE]

Yes indeed. Our claim to fame!

[QUOTE=PuddleMonkey;20051048]Why? Just assume any half decent Yankee gets the call? That's understandable, so many unearned awards and plaques just because one donned pinstripes.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure "half decent" means what you think it means. That or you weren't alive in the 80s. From 1984 through 1989 he was one of the best hitters in the game. Injuries derailed what was clearly going to be a HOF career. Half decent doesn't do peak Mattingly justice. And I'm not a Yankees fan.

[QUOTE=OhioLawyerF5;20051888]I'm not sure "half decent" means what you think it means. That or you weren't alive in the 80s. From 1984 through 1989 he was one of the best hitters in the game. Injuries derailed what was clearly going to be a HOF career. Half decent doesn't do peak Mattingly justice. And I'm not a Yankees fan.[/QUOTE]

Correct. He was a star and face of the hobby until McGwire's rookie season followed by Canseco's 40/40 season. His 1984 Donruss PSA 10 is one of the most expensive cards from the 1980s. Crazy he never struck out more than 43 times in season. I could see the vets put him in some day. Had he stuck it out a little longer, could have landed a WS or four on those late 90s dominant Yankees teams.

[QUOTE=Handsome Wes;20051034]Luis Tiant - was a little before my time but people always spoke him reverently. Was surprised that he was on the outside looking in.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Tiant was a player who I assumed was in the Hall until I started looking over the names in Hall more closely in recent years.

Felix Hernandez is like a modern day Vida Blue. Both came up at 19 and were on an easy HOF trajectory their first 12 years. Both flamed out in their early 30s. If either could've just stuck around and been average through their mid-late 30s they'd be in.

The 1984 Donruss Don Mattingly is an iconic card. I could never afford a box.

[QUOTE=Tom Oates;20051834]Arky is an interesting back story. Sat out three years because he clashed with Durocher. Sits for three years and comes back and puts up a .325 BA at the age of 35. Died at 40 while trying to save his friend after their boat overturned. Can't be too many of his auto's floating around. I'm lucky to have his auto on a PCL SF Seals reunion ball.[/QUOTE]

That is one story, but his family says that he wanted to be with his family in California during World War II instead of on the other side of the country in Pittsburgh. Those three years cost him in counting stats like many other superstars of that era, Williams, DiMaggio, Musial, Greenberg, Feller, Mize.

Overall though, Vaughan was really underrated during his career. He led the NL in WAR in 1934, finishing 4th in BA, 1st in OBP and 6th in SLG and finished 23rd in MVP voting. He had what many consider the 2nd greatest season by a SS in 1935 and was robbed of the MVP, finishing third. He hit .385/.491/.607 OPS+190 all leading the league and was worth 9.8 WAR. He again led the league in WAR in 1936 and didn't get a single MVP vote. 5th in BA, 1st in OBP and 6th in OPS+. He had another huge season, 8.9 WAR, in 1938 and finished 3rd in MVP voting when he should have been at least second. His offernsive numbers for a SS were insane with a career OPS+ of 136, trailing only Honus Wagner and part time SS and full time steroid user Alex Rodriguez.

I have two of his autographs, on a 1935 Pirates team ball and a PSA slabbed cut. He is a tougher auto having died in 1952 and an overlooked autograph target during his career.

Orel Hershiser.

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[QUOTE=OhioLawyerF5;20051888]I'm not sure "half decent" means what you think it means. That or you weren't alive in the 80s. From 1984 through 1989 he was one of the best hitters in the game. Injuries derailed what was clearly going to be a HOF career. Half decent doesn't do peak Mattingly justice. And I'm not a Yankees fan.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=f2tornado;20051915]Correct. He was a star and face of the hobby until McGwire's rookie season followed by Canseco's 40/40 season. His 1984 Donruss PSA 10 is one of the most expensive cards from the 1980s. Crazy he never struck out more than 43 times in season. I could see the vets put him in some day. Had he stuck it out a little longer, could have landed a WS or four on those late 90s dominant Yankees teams.[/QUOTE]

Christ you two, do I not cheap shot the Yankees enough on this board for you to notice this is my thing?

And you don't dare bring up Mattingly and the HOF without mentioning Strawberry first.

[QUOTE=Phoneboy;20051469]Will Clark. Was having a conversations about SEC baseball players in the HOF. I asked, "Who are the 2?". Their reply was Frank Thomas and Will Clark. In reality, it's Thomas and Helton. I thought that Will Clark was a great guess though.[/QUOTE]

Will Clark and Buster Posey aren't allowed in until mfw13 gives up the cards I need for my 2008 Legendary Cuts set.

[QUOTE=rats60;20050949]Not as bad as Arky Vaughan or Johnny Mize.[/QUOTE]

True. There are plenty of them (Joe Gordon is another), but those two are way up there.

[QUOTE=Tom Oates;20051834]... Can't be too many of his auto's floating around. I'm lucky to have his auto on a PCL SF Seals reunion ball.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=rats60;20052053]
…I have two of his autographs, on a 1935 Pirates team ball and a PSA slabbed cut. He is a tougher auto having died in 1952 and an overlooked autograph target during his career.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=PuddleMonkey;20052124]Christ you two, do I not cheap shot the Yankees enough on this board for you to notice this is my thing?

And you don't dare bring up Mattingly and the HOF without mentioning Strawberry first.[/QUOTE]

They obviously didn't check out the Yankees thread during the playoffs to witness your epic trolling.

While I like that Steinbrenner gave Strawberry a second chance, no way a drug addict is getting into the Hall of Fame. This is the MLB, not the NFL. :coffee:

[QUOTE=fulltritty;20052308]They obviously didn't check out the Yankees thread during the playoffs to witness your epic trolling.

While I like that Steinbrenner gave Strawberry a second chance, no way a drug addict is getting into the Hall of Fame. This is the MLB, not the NFL. :coffee:[/QUOTE]

LOL, I can assure you that tons of drug addicts are already in the MLB HOF.

[QUOTE=PuddleMonkey;20051048]Why? Just assume any half decent Yankee gets the call? That's understandable, so many unearned awards and plaques just because one donned pinstripes.[/QUOTE]

Are you talking about the team that retired the same number [i]twice???[/i] :cry: :cry:

[QUOTE=fulltritty;20052308]They obviously didn't check out the Yankees thread during the playoffs to witness your epic trolling.

While I like that Steinbrenner gave Strawberry a second chance, no way a drug addict is getting into the Hall of Fame. This is the MLB, not the NFL. :coffee:[/QUOTE]

Tim Raines is in the HOF.

[QUOTE=PuddleMonkey;20052124]Christ you two, do I not cheap shot the Yankees enough on this board for you to notice this is my thing?

And you don't dare bring up Mattingly and the HOF without mentioning Strawberry first.[/QUOTE]

You can't take cheap shots and not expect shots back. That seems a bit cowardly don't you think?:)!

matt williams

[QUOTE=no10pin;20052363]Tim Raines is in the HOF.[/QUOTE]

As are Dave Parker and Orlando Cepeda.

[QUOTE=no10pin;20050666]For some reason I always thought Vida Blue was in the Hall, but I found out fairly recently he wasn't.[/QUOTE]

Quietly removes Vida Blue auto from HOF autos binder... :doh:

[QUOTE=StateEx;20051419]Really? That surprises me too.[/QUOTE]

This was in reference to Luis Tiant, and the fact that you said "really?" just made me question whether or not I was correct by saying he was out of the Hall.

[QUOTE=Handsome Wes;20052704]This was in reference to Luis Tiant, and the fact that you said "really?" just made me question whether or not I was correct by saying he was out of the Hall.[/QUOTE]

I just looked at Tiant's voting numbers, and it's really weird. He got 30.9% his first time on the ballot, which would lead you to believe that he'd slowly add votes until he eventually got in.

He never got higher than that number again, and barely survived the 4th ballot with 7.2%. I know his first ballot was fairly weak, with only Stargell going in on the first ballot that year, but I'm surprised he never got up to that number again.

This is a really weird thread.

If you can provide an honest answer to this thread, then I feel like you are one of the following: 1) really young (so haven't had time to learn about who is actually in the HOF), 2) a very casual baseball fan ("oh, baseball has a HOF? I wonder who's in it!"), 3) not a fan of the baseball HOF ("I don't care or even want to know who is a member of that godforsaken institution"), 4) someone without any intellectual curiosity ("I'm just going to pretend that I know who is in the HOF because I can't be bothered to actually look at a list of 200 or 300 names anytime I wonder... hey is that guy in the HOF"), 5) really old (can't remember anything).

It's not like I have the list memorized, but someone wrote "Dave Parker" FFS. If you didn't know he was a 2025 inductee (less than 3 months ago) then you have to fall in one of those categories above.

Sorry if I am insulting anyone.

[QUOTE=JoshMN;20052760].

Sorry if I am insulting anyone.[/QUOTE]

Not insulted, good observation I was thinking the same thing. I thought Maris was in when I was really young. 7 or 8 years old in the 1970's. Also information sources weren't as readily available back then. But then I was determined to learn as much as I could. But some of the answers are somewhat stunning.

[QUOTE=rats60;20052053]That is one story, but his family says that he wanted to be with his family in California during World War II instead of on the other side of the country in Pittsburgh. Those three years cost him in counting stats like many other superstars of that era, Williams, DiMaggio, Musial, Greenberg, Feller, Mize.

Overall though, Vaughan was really underrated during his career. He led the NL in WAR in 1934, finishing 4th in BA, 1st in OBP and 6th in SLG and finished 23rd in MVP voting. He had what many consider the 2nd greatest season by a SS in 1935 and was robbed of the MVP, finishing third. He hit .385/.491/.607 OPS+190 all leading the league and was worth 9.8 WAR. He again led the league in WAR in 1936 and didn't get a single MVP vote. 5th in BA, 1st in OBP and 6th in OPS+. He had another huge season, 8.9 WAR, in 1938 and finished 3rd in MVP voting when he should have been at least second. His offernsive numbers for a SS were insane with a career OPS+ of 136, trailing only Honus Wagner and part time SS and full time steroid user Alex Rodriguez.

I have two of his autographs, on a 1935 Pirates team ball and a PSA slabbed cut. He is a tougher auto having died in 1952 and an overlooked autograph target during his career.[/QUOTE]

I was looking at his career WAR. If you factor in the three missed years, he likely would have had a career WAR north of 90!

[QUOTE=ottobord;20052770]Not insulted, good observation I was thinking the same thing. I thought Maris was in when I was really young. 7 or 8 years old in the 1970's. Also information sources weren't as readily available back then. But then I was determined to learn as much as I could. But some of the answers are somewhat stunning.[/QUOTE]

I had the same thoughts when I was a kid; my little boy brain just assumed the single season home run king was a hall of famer. I remember being completely shocked when I learned he wasn't in the Hall; I couldn't have been older than 10 at the time.

Maury Wills