Your 2025 AL MVP will be....?
 

Who will be the 2025 AL MVP?

From the chatter here, it seems split down the middle....

Lets take an official poll.

ALL RISE!!

No disrespect to Raleigh's amazing season, it's Judge. He's leading in just about every offensive category.

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;20027953]Who will be the 2025 AL MVP?

From the chatter here, it seems split down the middle....

Lets take an official poll.[/QUOTE]

...like this pole, its most certainly NOT split down the middle. :flex:

I give it to Cal, breaking a bunch of records for the position has historic relevance and I think that's more important to the legacy of the sport than another to Judge based on being better in a bunch of other categories

Also Cal does play a more difficult position defensively

the .247 vs .326 BA does it for me. Judge.

[QUOTE=scotthenrichs;20028219]the .247 vs .326 BA does it for me. Judge.[/QUOTE]

I agree, even though not a Judge/Yankees fan, the BA is what does it for me as well. Just too hard to accept the low batting average for MVP.

[url]https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1617953&page=8[/url]

If they are going to give Raleigh the MVP solely based on having 10 more homeruns than Judge, then they have to go back to the archaic times when the pitcher with the most wins predominantly won the Cy Young.

[QUOTE=JustinVerlander07;20028227][url]https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1617953&page=8[/url][/QUOTE]

Great for the people who waited to bet on Judge.

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;20028228]If they are going to give Raleigh the MVP solely based on having 10 more homeruns than Judge, then they have to go back to the archaic times when the pitcher with the most wins predominantly won the Cy Young.[/QUOTE]

Max Fried, come on down!!!

BIG DUMPAH failing behind in the poll!

[QUOTE=scotthenrichs;20028219]the .247 vs .326 BA does it for me. Judge.[/QUOTE]


OBP: .360 vs .451

OPS: .949 vs 1.123

It's Judge.

Best player in baseball.

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Judge also has 130 runs to lead the league.


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[QUOTE=kipgen;20028058]I give it to Cal, breaking a bunch of records for the position has historic relevance and I think that's more important to the legacy of the sport than [B][I]another to Judge based on being better in a bunch of other categories[/I][/B]

Also Cal does play a more difficult position defensively[/QUOTE]

This made me chuckle. Also, I don’t think player A should win it over player B just because player B has won it before.

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Judge also has 130 runs to lead the league.


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Why aren't we sharing the fangraphs version of this ever? I know why for 2 reasons, I just want you to answer it.

Feel free.

I never use fangraphs


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[QUOTE=corndog;20028281]It's Judge.

Best player in baseball.[/QUOTE]

In the American league, yes.

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;20028308]Feel free.

I never use fangraphs


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fangraphs and BR calculate WAR differently (specificly defense), so the large WAR gap is non existent via fangraphs. 9.2 fWAR Judge 8.8 fWAR Cal.

The betting odds in the other thread cited as the tale that this is a dead race in the other thread also being a dead tie is just more telling this race is going either way. (and I still would personally say Cal)

Regular greatness vs. historic greatness at the toughest position on the field. Judge is awesome, but Raleigh's season is one for the ages.

[QUOTE=corndog;20028281]It's Judge.

Best player in baseball.[/QUOTE]

Best hitter in baseball.

Shohei is the best player.

Luckily they have the Hank Aaron award for best hitter to give to Judge this season.

So many hills to die on, some pick them all!

Judge in a landslide. Stats don't lie.

[QUOTE=SaveMeTheGum;20028315]Regular greatness vs. historic greatness at the toughest position on the field. Judge is awesome, but Raleigh's season is one for the ages.[/QUOTE]

Historic greatness for home runs for sure, I’m not sure you can say the same with the .247 average with a high amount of Ks…

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Judge also has 130 runs to lead the league.


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And Judge leads the league in total bases at 350.

He also leads the league in intentional walks which tells you that when the game is on the line, teams don't want Judge swinging. :)!

[QUOTE=Badgers0821;20028665]Historic greatness for home runs for sure, I’m not sure you can say the same with the .247 average with a high amount of Ks…[/QUOTE]

22 more Ks than Judge. And one of the main reasons given for Judge not winning MVP in 2017 was his high K rate. :coffee:

[QUOTE=cnewby;20028382]So many hills to die on, some pick them all!

Judge in a landslide. Stats don't lie.[/QUOTE]

Your obsession with me Chad is so bizarre.

Maybe since it's too close to call (for some people), voters should go with team overall record or head to head. Yankees have a 1 game advantage over the Mariners for the better record and they whooped the Mariners 5 - 1 head to head. :D

Or head to head stats in those 6 games.

Judge went 8 for 23 with 2 home runs, 5 runs, 6 RBIs, and 5 walks.

Raleigh went 5 for 23 with 2 home runs, 2 runs, 5 RBI's, and 2 walks.

[QUOTE=JustinVerlander07;20028726]Your obsession with me Chad is so bizarre.[/QUOTE]

Whoa now, stay on topic pal. We dont want the mods 'trimming the fat' from this thread...

[QUOTE=cnewby;20028382]So many hills to die on, some pick them all!

Judge in a landslide. Stats don't lie.[/QUOTE]

Stats don't tell the full story of value either. Catcher > Outfielder.

If Cal gets to 60 HRs, he wins a close race. If he doesn't, Judge wins. Either way, there will be a lot of grown men crying.

[QUOTE=Big35Hurt;20028848]If Cal gets to 60 HRs, he wins a close race. If he doesn't, Judge wins. Either way, there will be a lot of grown men crying.[/QUOTE]

If Big Dumper does win, gonna be lots and lots of Judge 25 TC MVP buyback bag holders crying in here. LOL

[QUOTE=Big35Hurt;20028848]If Cal gets to 60 HRs, he wins a close race. If he doesn't, Judge wins. Either way, there will be a lot of grown men crying.[/QUOTE]

Raleigh gets Robbed either way. Catch position takes it out of a player.

Hey everyone!
This is definitely going to be a very tough decision for the committee, but I am going with Cal. I feel that Cal has had a more of a historical season that Judge, and I feel that Judge just does not cut it for this year as the AL MVP, not saying that Judge does not deserve it, just that I feel Cal has had the better overall season. If you are a statistical person, you could say that the batting average and WAR and everything are low for Cal, but in my opinion those statistics don’t matter when it comes to the amazing season Cal has had over Judge.

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

Raleigh shouldn’t be close.

[QUOTE=JustinVerlander07;20028313]fangraphs and BR calculate WAR differently (specificly defense), so the large WAR gap is non existent via fangraphs. 9.2 fWAR Judge 8.8 fWAR Cal.

The betting odds in the other thread cited as the tale that this is a dead race in the other thread also being a dead tie is just more telling this race is going either way. (and I still would personally say Cal)[/QUOTE]

Yeah bwar doesn’t takes pitch framing into consideration

Which war takes into account low pitches called for strikes because you are 6'7"?

Get in my contest about this....

[url]https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1618109[/url]

Which war takes into account fake throws down to 2nd on Tuesday day games after the 5th inning?

Co-mvps.

[QUOTE=Bosoxfan5990;20028885]I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

Raleigh shouldn’t be close.[/QUOTE]

Aside from HR and RBI (and SB), Judge is far ahead of Dumper in just about all other counting stats:

bWAR: Judge 9.0 vs Raleigh 6.9
Hits: 170 vs 141
BA: .326 vs .247
OBP: .451 vs .360
SLG: .672 vs .589
OPS: 1.123 vs .949
OPS+: 209 vs 169

The whole last 2 rows of BRef's batting leaders page (lots of obscure metrics) is all Judge: RE24, WPA, WPA/LI, cWPA, REW, rOBA, Rbat+. Most traditional counting stats, obscure statcast-era stats....Judge is #1 in just about all of them.

[QUOTE=BoSoxFan1999;20028981]Aside from HR and RBI (and SB), Judge is far ahead of Dumper in just about all other counting stats:

bWAR: Judge 9.0 vs Raleigh 6.9
Hits: 170 vs 141
BA: .326 vs .247
OBP: .451 vs .360
SLG: .672 vs .589
OPS: 1.123 vs .949
OPS+: 209 vs 169

The whole last 2 rows of BRef's batting leaders page (lots of obscure metrics) is all Judge: RE24, WPA, WPA/LI, cWPA, REW, rOBA, Rbat+. Most traditional counting stats, obscure statcast-era stats....Judge is #1 in just about all of them.[/QUOTE]

BuT dOeS hE fRaMe PiTcHeS?!?!?!

[QUOTE=BoSoxFan1999;20028981]Aside from HR and RBI (and SB), Judge is far ahead of Dumper in just about all other counting stats:

bWAR: Judge 9.0 vs Raleigh 6.9
Hits: 170 vs 141
BA: .326 vs .247
OBP: .451 vs .360
SLG: .672 vs .589
OPS: 1.123 vs .949
OPS+: 209 vs 169

The whole last 2 rows of BRef's batting leaders page (lots of obscure metrics) is all Judge: RE24, WPA, WPA/LI, cWPA, REW, rOBA, Rbat+. Most traditional counting stats, obscure statcast-era stats....Judge is #1 in just about all of them.[/QUOTE]

Boog Powell beat out Yaz for the MVP in 1970. Ted Williams lost the MVP one of the years he won the triple crown and the year he hit .406. There will always be a subjective nature to MVP voting. That's why Raleigh will win.

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[QUOTE=Baseballcards81;20028865]Hey everyone!
This is definitely going to be a very tough decision for the committee, but I am going with Cal. I feel that Cal has had a more of a historical season that Judge, and [B]I feel that Judge just does not cut it for this year as the AL MVP,[/B] not saying that Judge does not deserve it, just that I feel Cal has had the better overall season. If you are a statistical person, you could say that the batting average and WAR and everything are low for Cal, but in my opinion those statistics don’t matter when it comes to the amazing season Cal has had over Judge.[/QUOTE]

Your avatar says it all.:coffee:

And the bolded seems like a ridiculous statement.

I'm just here to watch the world burn.

:popcorn:

[QUOTE=NYRE2PECT;20029106]I'm just here to watch the world burn.

:popcorn:[/QUOTE]

Image if Judge and Ohtani were back in the same league!

[QUOTE=Baseballcards81;20028865]Hey everyone!
This is definitely going to be a very tough decision for the committee, but I am going with Cal. I feel that Cal has had a more of a historical season that Judge, and I feel that Judge just does not cut it for this year as the AL MVP, not saying that Judge does not deserve it, just that I feel Cal has had the better overall season. If you are a statistical person, you could say that the batting average and WAR and everything are low for Cal, but in my opinion those statistics don’t matter when it comes to the amazing season Cal has had over Judge.[/QUOTE]


Okay so Cal has had the better overall season as long as we don't consider and compare player stats for awards.... :coffee:

[QUOTE=duwal;20029120]Okay so Cal has had the better overall season as long as we don't consider and compare player stats for awards.... :coffee:[/QUOTE]

Sometimes you just gotta toss out all the facts and just go with your gut.
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[QUOTE=duwal;20029120]Okay so Cal has had the better overall season as long as we don't consider and compare player stats for awards.... :coffee:[/QUOTE]

If stats determined MVP, why is there a vote?

[QUOTE=Bosoxfan5990;20028885][B]I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.[/B]

Raleigh shouldn’t be close.[/QUOTE]

Same. This whole thread feels like a ESPN taking heads segment where people just pick different sides for the sake of debate and “entertainment.”

The pole hath spoken

[QUOTE=cnewby;20029160]The pole hath spoken[/QUOTE]

Shocking a sports card hobby forum has picked judge to win. Wonder why lmao

Guess cals lucky not one of us has a mvp vote

[QUOTE=jraarmy;20029163]Shocking a sports card hobby forum has picked judge to win. Wonder why lmao

Guess cals lucky not one of us has a mvp vote[/QUOTE]

If Trout was in the pole, he probably would have run away with it :D

[QUOTE=jraarmy;20029163]Shocking a sports card hobby forum has picked judge to win. Wonder why lmao

Guess cals lucky not one of us has a mvp vote[/QUOTE]

careful, your salt is showing.

[QUOTE=jraarmy;20029163]Shocking a sports card hobby forum has picked judge to win. Wonder why lmao


because cards > sports

[QUOTE=SaveMeTheGum;20029165]If Trout was in the pole, he probably would have run away with it :D[/QUOTE]

I saw a write-in vote for Mahomes. That means Delta will be here soon

[QUOTE=SaveMeTheGum;20028315]Regular greatness vs. historic greatness at the toughest position on the field. Judge is awesome, but Raleigh's season is one for the ages.[/QUOTE]

Exactly correct

Heart whispers Raleigh but brain shouts Judge.

Judge and I don't think it will be that close.


Cal will get a few sympathy votes.



I don't collect either player.

Cal will do better than a few "sympathy" votes, but if the season ended today, Judge should (and I think would) win by a 2:1 ratio

[QUOTE=jraarmy;20029163]Shocking a sports card hobby forum has picked judge to win. Wonder why lmao

Guess cals lucky not one of us has a mvp vote[/QUOTE]

Says the completely unbiased member…

[QUOTE=blackbears86;20029373]I don't collect either player.[/QUOTE]

But your sealed wax has skin in the game.

where is the NL poll?

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;20029573]where is the NL poll?[/QUOTE]

I thought that MVP was decided on March 18th. :coffee:

[QUOTE=fulltritty;20029669]I thought that MVP was decided on March 18th. :coffee:[/QUOTE]

Was that when the Schwarber a HOF thread started?

[QUOTE=dodgerfanjohn;20029986]Was that when the Schwarber a HOF thread started?[/QUOTE]

Hard to believe that thread has been around since 6/9/2023. :eek:

[QUOTE=Badgers0821;20029548]Says the completely unbiased member…[/QUOTE]

You got me man cats out the bag now. Of course I’m biased cal is leading my home team to their first divisional title in 24 years duh

For those that think it's Judge and not close, I would go place your next paycheck on the even odds you're getting at -115 for Judge vs Raleigh. These odds sometimes bait action, but they're not baseless.

Personally, I think if Cal hits 60, he has the slight edge and he may just squeak it out. A modern top 12 catcher is 450-500 plate appearances with a .220 average and 20-25 homeruns.

[QUOTE=Trueblue;20030212]For those that think it's Judge and not close, I would go place your next paycheck on the even odds you're getting at -115 for Judge vs Raleigh. These odds sometimes bait action, but they're not baseless.

Personally, I think if Cal hits 60, he has the slight edge and he may just squeak it out. A modern top 12 catcher is 450-500 plate appearances with a .220 average and 20-25 homeruns.[/QUOTE]

I'm not betting Jack sh*t. Voters don't have a history of making good decisions.

[QUOTE=Trueblue;20030212]For those that think it's Judge and not close, I would go place your next paycheck on the even odds you're getting at -115 for Judge vs Raleigh. These odds sometimes bait action, but they're not baseless.

Personally, I think if Cal hits 60, he has the slight edge and he may just squeak it out. A modern top 12 catcher is 450-500 plate appearances with a .220 average and 20-25 homeruns.[/QUOTE]

I also think 60 HRs does it for Cal. I have no skin in the game even with owning a small handful of Judge RCs (and none of Cal).

Homerun #50 for Judge. 4 seasons with 50 or more homeruns now.

1st player ever to hit 4, 50 homerun seasons within his 1st 10 seasons.

[QUOTE=fulltritty;20030456]1st player ever to hit 4, 50 homerun seasons within his 1st 10 seasons.[/QUOTE]

How's that for records!

MVP!

It's already been over, but its OVER!!!