Insane theft at the Dallas Card Show
 

Just saw this posted on twitter/x earlier. The amount of stuff is insane.

Insane theft at the dallas card show today… just a fraction of what was in the stolen slab box. Contact @cardzzzzz4u if you see anything
[url]https://x.com/rohanscards/status/1810110021797097631?s=46[/url]

[url]https://www.instagram.com/p/C9I__QYsIFD/?igsh=MTQwNmw4cmV5aTlmdw==[/url]

Dealer is on instagram and Twitter explaining the situation

[url]https://x.com/cardzzzzz4u/status/1810127936864797129?s=46[/url]

[url]https://www.instagram.com/p/C9I-8rpSzip/?igsh=MTg2MXN4OXA0NnFnbQ==[/url]

Dallas is a great illustration of the worst the hobby has to offer.

Four guys to steal one case of cards. What a racket.

[QUOTE=3124508 on COMC;19529734]Dallas is a great illustration of the worst the hobby has to offer.

Four guys to steal one case of cards. What a racket.[/QUOTE]


it was quite a case though [emoji15]

they should be strung up!

Given the value of stuff I saw at the Philly show the last time I was there, I really wondered about the security arrangements.

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Any statement from the promoter?

[QUOTE=Archangel1775;19529749]Any statement from the promoter?[/QUOTE]

Nope, just a share from the person who’s stuff got stolen.

Do dealers not keep an list of cert #'s that they can contact the grading companies and have the slabs decertified ? Now days anyone buying a graded card should do a cert # check to make sure the card isn't stolen especially cards of the value we are talking about in this case. I realize it's not fool proof but it would at least potentially make it harder for the thieves to quick flip the cards to another legit dealer or collector.

Definitely gotta let all the heavy hobby hitters know about this. This is just bad.

Honestly, I'm surprised that there isn't more theft at card shows.....many dealers are very careless about protecting their cards and get easily distracted.

[QUOTE=Cracktoast;19529781]Do dealers not keep an list of cert #'s that they can contact the grading companies and have the slabs decertified ? Now days anyone buying a graded card should do a cert # check to make sure the card isn't stolen especially cards of the value we are talking about in this case. I realize it's not fool proof but it would at least potentially make it harder for the thieves to quick flip the cards to another legit dealer or collector.[/QUOTE]

I doubt most dealers are that organized.....especially given the volume of cards they often have in their display cases.

[QUOTE=mfw13;19529818]Honestly, I'm surprised that there isn't more theft at card shows.....many dealers are very careless about protecting their cards and get easily distracted.[/QUOTE]

The dealer should have had someone with him ready to engage with the thieves. Thats about 2 million dollars worth of inventory. There are pawn shops that have armed security that have less overhead than what those cards are worth :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=mfw13;19529818]Honestly, I'm surprised that there isn't more theft at card shows.....many dealers are very careless about protecting their cards and get easily distracted.[/QUOTE]
Fortunately, there are very few thieves amongst us. However, I agree that these dealers are very easy marks.

These thieves were not particularly smart though. Great job stealing a bunch of easily identifiable massive cards. Good luck doing anything with them without getting caught.

I mean this is a huge deal and should hopefully get a serious look from law enforcement. From a quick glance, this is nearly 1 million dollars worth of cards.

One of the criminals were stacking chairs for an hour to scope it out. It was a planned heist....

[url]https://youtu.be/obr2SUda5Rs?si=G2-sa-Or8Orv8o8i[/url]

Very sad to see however with the value of those cards why didn’t the owner keep a better eye on those cards? I mean if it was me and I had a box of those cards I wouldn’t take an eye off if them not even for a second. Too many thiefs and bad people in our hobby.

[QUOTE=rudan007;19529830]The dealer should have had someone with him ready to engage with the thieves. Thats about 2 million dollars worth of inventory. There are pawn shops that have armed security that have less overhead than what those cards are worth :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

From the video that was released there were at least 3 people working the table. 3 of the 4 guys involved distracted them so the 4th could grab the case. It's amazing how calmly he grabbed the case and casually walked off. They clearly have worked this scheme many times before. An amateur would have been shaking and likely would have ran with the case.

Neo posted a good video as well and said it appears they had been casing the table all day and even changed clothes a couple of times so as not to look suspicious.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;19529833]Fortunately, there are very few thieves amongst us. However, I agree that these dealers are very easy marks.

These thieves were not particularly smart though. Great job stealing a bunch of easily identifiable massive cards. Good luck doing anything with them without getting caught.[/QUOTE]

And it looks like their faces are on camera. Probably seen in different parts of the day. I would hope PSA/SGC are going to have 52 mantles flagged. Or do we think these guys are going to try to move them and keep the serial numbers intact? You could do private sales, but putting any of these out on social media is a big risk.

I would put RFID tags or something in my case if I had that kind of inventory.

[QUOTE=Scottish Punk;19529867]And it looks like their faces are on camera. Probably seen in different parts of the day. I would hope PSA/SGC are going to have 52 mantles flagged. Or do we think these guys are going to try to move them and keep the serial numbers intact? You could do private sales, but putting any of these out on social media is a big risk.

I would put RFID tags or something in my case if I had that kind of inventory.[/QUOTE]

Or non numbered stuff like that do you simply crack and sell Raw ? Sure you are losing value but at the same time they have no money into them so whatever they might get is pure profit.

[QUOTE=rudan007;19529830]The dealer should have had someone with him ready to engage with the thieves. Thats about 2 million dollars worth of inventory. There are pawn shops that have armed security that have less overhead than what those cards are worth :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

True....but I bet that at the National, there will be tons of booths with 6/7-figures worth of cards in a single, poorly secured case.

There's no escaping the fact that cards are easy to steal and are attractive targets because of their small size and high value.

[QUOTE=Cracktoast;19529869]Or non numbered stuff like that do you simply crack and sell Raw ? Sure you are losing value but at the same time they have no money into them so whatever they might get is pure profit.[/QUOTE]

If the art world is anything to go buy, there are plenty of unscrupulous buyers out there happy to buy stolen items for their PC's. Given that the thieves were clearly targeting this dealer/table, it's even possible that they were stolen to order.

$2 million worth of cards and you have people just walking into your area like that?

People need to get a lot smarter with how they protect their stuff. Feel bad for the guy but feels like dealers

1)Need to invest in store security and training for staff on shop lifting
2)Need to invest in show security for their booths
3)Need to invest in training for themselves for shows on security and shoplifting

The people who are stealing whether it's breaking in or what these guys pulled have clearly been thinking more about this than stores who at best put up a camera in their stores or have a safe there can do it alone. You go to shows and the thieves are thinking about their mission like these guys were. Meanwhile you've got exhausted dealers away from home who are tired, talking to customers, running all over the show, checking their phones, talking to friends.

Unfair match.

Someone is going to make a ton of $$$$$$$ of this teaching dealers how to avoid these situations-staff training videos etc. Big business opportunity for some cop or law enforcement official reading this who knows cards.

[QUOTE=rudan007;19529852]One of the criminals were stacking chairs for an hour to scope it out. It was a planned heist....

[url]https://youtu.be/obr2SUda5Rs?si=G2-sa-Or8Orv8o8i[/url][/QUOTE]

These guys will be caught.

Hopefully cops lifted prints from the guy stacking chairs.

Even with the graded cards, they could easily crack them and resubmit them throughout the rest of the year and get a new cert on the cards to have it harder to trace. Granted I am not sure these guys are that smart.

[QUOTE=Raleigh504;19529995]Even with the graded cards, they could easily crack them and resubmit them throughout the rest of the year and get a new cert on the cards to have it harder to trace. Granted I am not sure these guys are that smart.[/QUOTE]

That's what I assume they would do. Still would be easy to trace the high end ones like the 52 mantles.

[QUOTE=JRX;19530016]That's what I assume they would do. Still would be easy to trace the high end ones like the 52 mantles.[/QUOTE]

Yup. Just like golden age comics, a some of those big vintage cards can be tracked by their imperfections.

[QUOTE=MiamiMarlinsFan;19530022]Yup. Just like golden age comics, a some of those big vintage cards can be tracked by their imperfections.[/QUOTE]

New copies just surfacing especially after a big heist is an obvious red flag as well.

Way too much scrutiny to crack and send anywhere to regrade. But like I said, these thieves weren’t very smart.

Police should check video from previous shows if available. They were probably casing the show and facility before setting this up…


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To pull off a job like this with no secondary plan is foolish. Can't resell, can't regrade, can't snake away until later because the memory of these cards will be long. The only thing that would make sense of such an effort is if they already have a buyer who doesn't care about the heat.

[QUOTE=Triple B;19530080]To pull off a job like this with no secondary plan is foolish. Can't resell, can't regrade, can't snake away until later because the memory of these cards will be long. The only thing that would make sense of such an effort is if they already have a buyer who doesn't care about the heat.[/QUOTE]

Any chance its an inside job insurance scam? Let's say they already have a buyer, what's that person going to do just hold forever?

[QUOTE=Triple B;19530080]To pull off a job like this with no secondary plan is foolish. Can't resell, can't regrade, can't snake away until later because the memory of these cards will be long. The only thing that would make sense of such an effort is if they already have a buyer who doesn't care about the heat.[/QUOTE]

Maybe they are “collectors”.

All for the PC…. :)

Hobby is filled with so much garbage.

So awful .. these d bags will get caught.

But WTF are you leaving those cards unattended

[QUOTE=mfw13;19529818]Honestly, I'm surprised that there isn't more theft at card shows.....many dealers are very careless about protecting their cards and get easily distracted.[/QUOTE]

I agree, [I]a million percent[/I]! Far too many dealers have a "lackadaisical demeanor" at shows. I mean, it's not like they might have[B][I][U] SIX TO SEVEN FIGURES[/U][/I][/B] of merchandise within a stones-throw, right...?!!? Oh...!?! Wait a minute...!??!

When my buddy & I used to do shows, regularly,....regardless of how big or small the show was, my wife-then girlfriend, was always (and I literally mean; [I][U]ALWAYS[/U][/I]!) at the shows, with us. She had...."one job" to do, throughout the entirety of the show; SIT THERE AND OBSERVE THE POTENTIAL CLIENTELE! She never caught anyone "red handed", stealing or trying to steal from us, however; I like to imagine that she likely deterred some folks who may have been contemplating the thought! While I'm virtually certain that we never escaped...."unscathed"....I'm fairly-confident that (if, any) the thievery which we incurred, was out of our $.25-$10 boxes, and nothing, from our display cases/shelves

Not trying to play the preachy police, here, and I'm sure that most people who set up at shows, already [I]DO[/I], but, nevertheless; you should certainly entertain the thought of bringing a loved one/trustworthy person with you, to do the exact same thing: SIT THERE, AND DO NOTHING ELSE BESIDES ATTENTIVELY-OBSERVE THE MERCH! Especially,...at high-traffic/high profile shows, where....unfortunately,....it's a [I]guarantee[/I] that there will be more unscrupulous scoundrels in attendance!

Who leaves a 175k Mantle unattended?

From the tape, it looks like a well executed attack. They took the time to evaluate and plan the heist. They knew which case was the target, as they only grabbed one and quite easily could have grabbed 2. They knew how many employees to distract and how to lure them away from the target. The security cams are not great and the thieves wore hats to help reduce camera visibility. The thief stacking chairs could be a weak point as he is leaving possible fingerprints, but he could be wearing clear vinyl gloves as the film is not real clear. Most people would not bat an eye at a custodian wearing gloves, even if he is stacking chairs.

As far as the case itself, I imagine it is in a trashcan or side of the road somewhere. It was probably trashed within a few minutes of the theft. The cards will be easy to track with their unique damage, but I imagine a buyer for some of the items is already lined up.

There are plenty of people out there that would care less if a card is stolen. They will put it in their collection and it will stay there till they die. If they show off the card to friends and family, nobody is going to check the PSA cert to see its status after seeing the card at a party or a family get together.

Note: My analysis only comes from what you see on the tape. I am extrapolating a worst case scenario from that tape and my own experience. Anybody claiming these thieves are stupid is making a mistake. This was clearly planned and executed well. The plan was simple and effective. It does not have to look like a movie heist to be effective. Up to this point, the thieves have been intelligent and calculated. What happens next may change that assessment.

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[QUOTE=njsportscardguy;19530132]I agree, [I]a million percent[/I]! Far too many dealers have a "lackadaisical demeanor" at shows. I mean, it's not like they might have[B][I][U] SIX TO SEVEN FIGURES[/U][/I][/B] of merchandise within a stones-throw, right...?!!? Oh...!?! Wait a minute...!??!

When my buddy & I used to do shows, regularly,....regardless of how big or small the show was, my wife-then girlfriend, was always (and I literally mean; [I][U]ALWAYS[/U][/I]!) at the shows, with us. She had...."one job" to do, throughout the entirety of the show; SIT THERE AND OBSERVE THE POTENTIAL CLIENTELE! She never caught anyone "red handed", stealing or trying to steal from us, however; I like to imagine that she likely deterred some folks who may have been contemplating the thought! While I'm virtually certain that we never escaped...."unscathed"....I'm fairly-confident that (if, any) the thievery which we incurred, was out of our $.25-$10 boxes, and nothing, from our display cases/shelves

Not trying to play the preachy police, here, and I'm sure that most people who set up at shows, already [I]DO[/I], but, nevertheless; you should certainly entertain the thought of bringing a loved one/trustworthy person with you, to do the exact same thing: SIT THERE, AND DO NOTHING ELSE BESIDES ATTENTIVELY-OBSERVE THE MERCH! Especially,...at high-traffic/high profile shows, where....unfortunately,....it's a [I]guarantee[/I] that there will be more unscrupulous scoundrels in attendance![/QUOTE]

And the thing is, at a show like the National, many, if not most, dealers are going to have $1 million+ of merchandise at their booths.

Really shocked someone has yet to organize some type of flash mob to hit bigger shows and hit several vendors at once. Overwhelm them with numbers and boom gone before they know what happened. You might catch 1 or 2 but the majority would likely get away. You don't have to know what to do after just hit the cases because anybody and everybody knows that's where the good stuff is.

The last show I was at, dealers had littler HD cameras at their tables attached to stands pointing at the table and those who would come up to the table.

Smart move for sure.

The acts I’m concerned about are those that are tied into groups. I had roughly 50 high end Brady rookies that I let go that were graded by a SW Company. The guy interested in my Brady cards was friends with the guys grading my Brady Rookies. I received the grades and they were what I thought I would receive since I didn’t do much grading. I didn’t sell to the individual wanting my Brady Rookies but I did keep the itinerary of what the cards were graded at and have shown a Blowout Member or 2 the sheet.

The same guy who was interested ended up not being able to do the next show in Chicago because he was given a huge amount of 9 1/2 graded. Not only was he not there multiple members within the Company were no longer there as well. I do know that the person that I sold to did regrade multiple cards for better grades probably gaining hundreds of thousands of dollars.

If those in the hobby believe those not in groups that receive better grades where those of us are not in these groups are then forced to receive lower grades due to the percentages that are graded. The only way a Company can be seen as legitimate is by having certain grades having certain percentages. Who takes the hit when a few people are receiving inflated grades on their cards, those of us not in those groups. How much is stolen in fraudulent grading, I would estimate MILLIONS, but it’s kept to a hush.

If that group of people who are involved in the theft were not actually working for any of the tables at the show in some way, it definitely doesn't help the people who feel that they should be able to buy dealer passes for the National or being able to pre-VIP admittance

[QUOTE=JRX;19530083]Any chance its an inside job insurance scam? Let's say they already have a buyer, what's that person going to do just hold forever?[/QUOTE]


My thoughts exactly.


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[QUOTE=Cracktoast;19530221]Really shocked someone has yet to organize some type of flash mob to hit bigger shows and hit several vendors at once. Overwhelm them with numbers and boom gone before they know what happened. You might catch 1 or 2 but the majority would likely get away. You don't have to know what to do after just hit the cases because anybody and everybody knows that's where the good stuff is.[/QUOTE]

To be honest it would be a great target for one of those. Unless dealers can conceal carry at these events, there's no way to stop a flash mob.

Anyone ever thought to handcuff a case like that to your arm or leg? You know, like in the movies when someone hands over a "top secret" briefcase?

I mean, it's ridiculous to even think of such things, but I was trying to think of relatively easy ways to make a quick grab difficult.

[QUOTE=SmokeyJ;19530361]Anyone ever thought to handcuff a case like that to your arm or leg? You know, like in the movies when someone hands over a "top secret" briefcase?

I mean, it's ridiculous to even think of such things, but I was trying to think of relatively easy ways to make a quick grab difficult.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Stifle;19530247]The acts I’m concerned about are those that are tied into groups. I had roughly 50 high end Brady rookies that I let go that were graded by a SW Company. The guy interested in my Brady cards was friends with the guys grading my Brady Rookies. I received the grades and they were what I thought I would receive since I didn’t do much grading. I didn’t sell to the individual wanting my Brady Rookies but I did keep the itinerary of what the cards were graded at and have shown a Blowout Member or 2 the sheet.

The same guy who was interested ended up not being able to do the next show in Chicago because he was given a huge amount of 9 1/2 graded. Not only was he not there multiple members within the Company were no longer there as well. I do know that the person that I sold to did regrade multiple cards for better grades probably gaining hundreds of thousands of dollars.

If those in the hobby believe those not in groups that receive better grades where those of us are not in these groups are then forced to receive lower grades due to the percentages that are graded. The only way a Company can be seen as legitimate is by having certain grades having certain percentages. Who takes the hit when a few people are receiving inflated grades on their cards, those of us not in those groups. How much is stolen in fraudulent grading, I would estimate MILLIONS, but it’s kept to a hush.[/QUOTE]

This post is maybe 5 years outdated. You are correct that at one point there were groups who knew the percentage of 10's they would get before even submitting. I am aware of one prominent dealer/owner of a large card business who didn't even look at his cards before sending them in. He already knew the percentage of 10's.

BUT, my understanding is that all came to a screeching halt once PSA was under the microscope. Now grading is as tough as it's ever been and there is no preferential treatment any longer. Obviously those cards previously graded will forever have asterisks, but I'm not aware of any guys who are currently getting those same deals unless it's through a smaller company. If anything, people have recently complained that PSA is TOO strict on their criteria.

[QUOTE=hammerva;19530257]If that group of people who are involved in the theft were not actually working for any of the tables at the show in some way, it definitely doesn't help the people who feel that they should be able to buy dealer passes for the National or being able to pre-VIP admittance[/QUOTE]

I actually think it's the opposite. The lack of dealer badges, while possibly keeping out non-dealers, is also going to hurt the dealers who are used to having more hands and eyes working the booth. If you normally bring 8 employees and now you have 3, it's gonna be harder to keep eyes on everything. Especially considering that most will drive-in and drive out to setup. Now you have one guy in the vehicle and maybe two to keep an eye out. You'd like to think you can trust other dealers, but with 400+ dealers, do you really know that none of them are capable of committing theft? Something to think about.

Man that's unfortunate and disgusting all in one, I was at the show yesterday.

Why is the video so grainy? I mean it's 2024 my s24 takes better videos than this.

What are these idiots thinking, are they going to try to flip these at another show? crack them out and sell raw? crack and sub them?

[QUOTE=JRX;19530083]Any chance its an inside job insurance scam? Let's say they already have a buyer, what's that person going to do just hold forever?[/QUOTE]

Lots of people asking those questions and getting dragged by the owner’s pals.

[QUOTE=Triple B;19530474]Lots of people asking those questions and getting dragged by the owner’s pals.[/QUOTE]

Regardless, he seems to be pretty negligent leaving a case like that unattended.

[QUOTE=Triple B;19530474]Lots of people asking those questions and getting dragged by the owner’s pals.[/QUOTE]

I've only dealt with Ashish a few times, but he's a major, major player and does a ton of business. He and his team are also incredibly friendly and professional, which is also probably why he is getting a ton of support from the community.

It would be the shock of the century if this was an inside job based on what is known.

One of the perps almost knocked a kid over as he beelined out of the room. No way that this was an inside job; this isn’t Hollywood.

[QUOTE=MattRoc;19530530]I've only dealt with Ashish a few times, but he's a major, major player and does a ton of business. He and his team are also incredibly friendly and professional, which is also probably why he is getting a ton of support from the community.

It would be the shock of the century if this was an inside job based on what is known.[/QUOTE]

Yeah everything I've seen also points to him being well respected in the card show community. Plus if it was a simple money grab for insurance why make a huge deal about it and not just settle with the insurance company behind the scenes ?

Everyone knows there is scum in this world, but many in this hobby choose to look at the victim with suspicion before even considering the more obvious possibilities.

We see it every time there is a fire or theft. If it's a fire, "the owner started it". If it's a theft, "inside job". The least likely becomes the most likely and it's only, in my opinion, because so many want to see the hobby burn. It starts at the top with hatred for Panini/Fanatics and goes down from there. The actual scumbag/thief who shows up to pull off the crime is the last one considered. It's not newsworthy if the local meth head does the crime. People actually want to see the good guy turn heal. Strange world we live in.

[QUOTE=auctionjmm;19530555]Everyone knows there is scum in this world, but many in this hobby choose to look at the victim with suspicion before even considering the more obvious possibilities.

We see it every time there is a fire or theft. If it's a fire, "the owner started it". If it's a theft, "inside job". The least likely becomes the most likely and it's only, in my opinion, because so many want to see the hobby burn. It starts at the top with hatred for Panini/Fanatics and goes down from there. The actual scumbag/thief who shows up to pull off the crime is the last one considered. It's not newsworthy if the local meth head does the crime. People actually want to see the good guy turn heal. Strange world we live in.[/QUOTE]

Well for those of us that don't deal with or have hundreds of thousands worth of cards, we find it hard to believe that someone would leave a case like that unattended. We joke about handcuffing it, but how is there not someone whose sole job is to basically sit on it?

[QUOTE=MattRoc;19530530]I've only dealt with Ashish a few times, but he's a major, major player and does a ton of business. He and his team are also incredibly friendly and professional, which is also probably why he is getting a ton of support from the community.

It would be the shock of the century if this was an inside job based on what is known.[/QUOTE]

Yeah he's regularly posting a few hundred thousand - million of new pickups

[QUOTE=MattRoc;19530530]I've only dealt with Ashish a few times, but he's a major, major player and does a ton of business. He and his team are also incredibly friendly and professional, which is also probably why he is getting a ton of support from the community.

It would be the shock of the century if this was an inside job based on what is known.[/QUOTE]

For the record, I don’t think it is a scam or inside job. I think this guy was cased for a while and this was the day. I feel for him but what a colossal mistake.

[QUOTE=JRX;19530556]Well for those of us that don't deal with or have hundreds of thousands worth of cards, we find it hard to believe that someone would leave a case like that unattended. We joke about handcuffing it, but how is there not someone whose sole job is to basically sit on it?[/QUOTE]

I've never had anywhere close to that value with me at any show, but I could see it happening. Even if it were me unloading my own cart. Say some guy calls out and says hey I wanna show you something. I walk away for what seems like 10 seconds to see what he wants. Dude behind me sneaks up and grabs a box right off my cart. It's never happened to me thankfully, but I could at least see the scenario where it could.

Especially early in the morning when it looks like most of the dealers haven't even gotten there yet. It's easy to lose awareness in those early hours of setting up a show, especially if you've done hundreds of them and never had an issue. I've left my table completely unattended to use the bathroom before. Most of us aren't conditioned to have our guard up in the morning of setup day. Maybe we should, but to us (dealers) it's just a bunch of other dealers running in and out with carts and dealing with setup. That's what we see at least.

It's certainly a lesson for all of us to be careful at all hours.

[QUOTE=auctionjmm;19530596]I've never had anywhere close to that value with me at any show, but I could see it happening. Even if it were me unloading my own cart. Say some guy calls out and says hey I wanna show you something. I walk away for what seems like 10 seconds to see what he wants. Dude behind me sneaks up and grabs a box right off my cart. It's never happened to me thankfully, but I could at least see the scenario where it could.

Especially early in the morning when it looks like most of the dealers haven't even gotten there yet. It's easy to lose awareness in those early hours of setting up a show, especially if you've done hundreds of them and never had an issue. I've left my table completely unattended to use the bathroom before. Most of us aren't conditioned to have our guard up in the morning of setup day. Maybe we should, but to us (dealers) it's just a bunch of other dealers running in and out with carts and dealing with setup. That's what we see at least.

It's certainly a lesson for all of us to be careful at all hours.[/QUOTE]

I'm not a dealer, so I don't know that world, but if I had one case with all my high end stuff, I would try to have a family member guard it. Even if you have an employee, I probably wouldn't trust them unless I knew them really well and even then.

Brazen....

[QUOTE=JRX;19530556]Well for those of us that don't deal with or have hundreds of thousands worth of cards, we find it hard to believe that someone would leave a case like that unattended. We joke about handcuffing it, but how is there not someone whose sole job is to basically sit on it?[/QUOTE]

Unattended? There were three people that were supposed to have been watching the dealers items.:)!

[QUOTE=mc1;19530633]Unattended? There were three people that were supposed to have been watching the dealers items.:)![/QUOTE]

And at least from the video it appeared the case was stored under a table. It's not like it was left wide open unlocked on top of the table. The show was already ended or very close to ending as most had already closed up shop so a lot of stuff had already been put away.

The owner of the cards is offering a $70,000 reward for the "return of the missing box".

[QUOTE=Cracktoast;19529781]Do dealers not keep an list of cert #'s that they can contact the grading companies and have the slabs decertified ? Now days anyone buying a graded card should do a cert # check to make sure the card isn't stolen especially cards of the value we are talking about in this case. I realize it's not fool proof but it would at least potentially make it harder for the thieves to quick flip the cards to another legit dealer or collector.[/QUOTE]

Its not a bad idea I just never think to check when I look to buy graded cards, after this one though Id say a lot of people will probably start checking their purchases.

How does any crime exist when everyone is so perfect and mitigates all risk 100% of the time?

People #@#@#@#@ up. Criminals commit crimes.

Obviously it should have been protected better but that doesn’t negate the fact a piece of #@#@#@#@ stole something.

At the very least this will be a good wake up call to everyone attending shows. Never leave your valuables unprotected EVER.

I can't imagine having that much money of anything and letting it leave my sight unprotected.

Folks gonna start bolting their shatter proof cases down to the tables I guess

I've seen a guy wheeling in one some sort of cart like they use to move money to the cashier's office at casinos. At some point someone is going to get carjacked, or robbed at gunpoint in a parking garage.

I was at the show Friday and Saturday. Anytime I am at a large gathering like that I am on high alert for pick pockets and other sorts of thieves. I carry a backpack to those shows and any time I take it off and set it on the floor to work a deal or go through a box I will always put one foot through one of the straps so if someone tries to distract me so someone else can pick up my bag they will have a really hard time getting it without me knowing it. The funny thing is dollar boxes are my thing so very rarely is there ever a single card card worth more than a buck in my bag but I am still very protective of that bag.

Cant even imagine how sick this guy is about losing that case. I am sure he has run it over time and time again in his mind about how it could have been prevented but the bottom line is thieves will always find a way. You can take all the precautions you want but they will still find a way to get what they want. You just have to try to make it as difficult for them as possible so that hopefully they look for a softer target.

[QUOTE=Cracktoast;19530221]Really shocked someone has yet to organize some type of flash mob to hit bigger shows and hit several vendors at once. Overwhelm them with numbers and boom gone before they know what happened. You might catch 1 or 2 but the majority would likely get away. You don't have to know what to do after just hit the cases because anybody and everybody knows that's where the good stuff is.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Twalk1975;19530713]I've seen a guy wheeling in one some sort of cart like they use to move money to the cashier's office at casinos. At some point someone is going to get carjacked, or robbed at gunpoint in a parking garage.[/QUOTE]



In 2021, Texas passed a “constitutional carry” bill. This bill changed the law to eliminate the need for a License to Carry (LTC) for some people. Now, if you can legally possess and carry a firearm, you no longer need an LTC to carry a handgun in a public place.

In liberal states like California, its much easier for business people that deal in jewelry and I would imagine items like cards to attain a CCW. It really depends on the County but some are much more lenient than others.

[QUOTE=Archangel1775;19530728]In 2021, Texas passed a “constitutional carry” bill. This bill changed the law to eliminate the need for a License to Carry (LTC) for some people. Now, if you can legally possess and carry a firearm, you no longer need an LTC to carry a handgun in a public place.
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The problem with that is there are signs at the main entrance to the hotel that prevents constitutional carry. If you have a LTC you can still carry there, but unlicensed you cant. I can tell you for 100% fact that people are doing it anyway though because those signs are not posted at every entrance.

[QUOTE=JUNKWAX;19530732]The problem with that is there are signs at the main entrance to the hotel that prevents constitutional carry. If you have a LTC you can still carry there, but unlicensed you cant. [B] I can tell you for 100% fact that people are doing it anyway though because those signs are not posted at every entrance[/B].[/QUOTE]

The hotel appeased both halves of their customer base. Smart business.

[QUOTE=Archangel1775;19530728]In 2021, Texas passed a “constitutional carry” bill. This bill changed the law to eliminate the need for a License to Carry (LTC) for some people. Now, if you can legally possess and carry a firearm, you no longer need an LTC to carry a handgun in a public place.

In liberal states like California, its much easier for business people that deal in jewelry and I would imagine items like cards to attain a CCW. It really depends on the County but some are much more lenient than others.[/QUOTE]

Legally though how would that stand up in court if you were to pull out said gun and shoot and/or kill someone trying to steal a bunch of cardboard ? Are you in fear of your life or being a vigilante ? There is a reason a lot of establishments have a strict policy about stopping shoplifters now days. The risk and liability is just more than they want to deal with.

For the record I'm not for or against LTC or CCP just curious