Is Jayson Tatum the best player on the Celtics?
 

I'm starting to wonder about this. 16 points and 6 turnovers last night. Jaylen Brown wins the Eastern Conference Finals MVP award. You've got guys like Josh Hart and others saying Derek White is the most impactful player on the team. I have thought Tatum is overrated for some time now, but now I'm not even sure he's the best player on the team.

Yes he is the best player on the Celtics

I thnk Tatum and Brown are pretty close right now. I think Tatum brings more with his rebounding and playmaking so he has the slight edge. But they are the best 1-2 combo in the NBA with maybe the exception of Lebron/AD. And White, Zingis and Jrue could be the best player on a lot of lesser teams in the NBA. It's the depth of the roster that makes the C's so good and probably about to sweep the finals

[QUOTE=nbahobbyaddict;19490167]I'm starting to wonder about this. 16 points and 6 turnovers last night. Jaylen Brown wins the Eastern Conference Finals MVP award. You've got guys like Josh Hart and others saying Derek White is the most impactful player on the team. I have thought Tatum is overrated for some time now, but now I'm not even sure he's the best player on the team.[/QUOTE]

I mean Tatum is a future hall of famer and one of the top 10 current players in the NBA. The reason the Celtics are in the finals and the best team is because they have multiple all star caliber players including Jaylen Brown. Jaylen Brown is playing his way on to the top 10 current NBA players list. He is a superstar like Tatum. On any gven night either one of them canbe the best player on the team

Another reason Tatum is so great is because he can let everyone else get theirs while he settles for 16 points and he has no complaints about not getting enough shots. He is a true a team first superstar. And he can still get 50 in a playoff game when he has to. He's 5th all time in 30-10-5 play off games behind LeBron, Jokic, Bird and Giannis so he's pretty good. But Brown is definitely earning the biggest contract in the NBA

Over the past few years my eyes tell me it’s brown, the numbers say Tatum. I know when things get tight I would rather have brown controlling the ball.

He is the most talented. But far too inconsistent to be considered the best. And it’s why he’ll remain a third tier hobby superstar.

the other guys flourish because Tatum initiates most of the offense and garners all of the defensive attention. It's not that complicated.

6 made baskets
6 turnovers

[QUOTE=AwesomeBrian;19490222]6 made baskets
6 turnovers[/QUOTE]

Celtics 107-Mavs 89.

It's amazing how people are still grasping at straws about why Tatum and the C's are overrated when this is litterally a historcially great team.

[QUOTE=rms13;19490285]Celtics 107-Mavs 89.

It's amazing how people are still grasping at straws about why Tatum and the C's are overrated when this is litterally a historcially great team.[/QUOTE]

Porzingis saved them from embarrassment. Tatum was trash. Brown is better.

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;19490218]He is the most talented. But far too inconsistent to be considered the best. And it’s why he’ll remain a third tier hobby superstar.[/QUOTE]

Last 4 seasons:

26.4 - 7.4 - 4.3
26.9 - 8 - 4.4
30.1- 8.8 - 4.6
26.9 - 8.1 - 4.9


24 - 8 - 4.8 career in the play offs

He's pretty consistant.

[QUOTE=pingbling23;19490213]Over the past few years my eyes tell me it’s brown, the numbers say Tatum. I know when things get tight I would rather have brown controlling the ball.[/QUOTE]

this x1000. i always see Brown make the big plays.

[QUOTE=AwesomeBrian;19490287]Porzingis saved them from embarrassment. Tatum was trash. Brown is better.[/QUOTE]

Whatever makes you feel better

Jaylen Brown is the bigger wing version of Klay Thompson.

Perfect system/situation for him, put him as the cornerstone of a team and you are stuck in the lottery for a long time.

Tatum is the hobby best player on the Celtics.

[QUOTE=yiguiri2002;19490321]Jaylen Brown is the bigger wing version of Klay Thompson.

Perfect system/situation for him, put him as the cornerstone of a team and you are stuck in the lottery for a long time.[/QUOTE]

I thnk Jaylen's comp is more Jimmy Butler. And I think he could be the #1 on the right playoff team like Butler has been in Miami.

[QUOTE=AwesomeBrian;19490287]Porzingis saved them from embarrassment. Tatum was trash. Brown is better.[/QUOTE]

Trash? Dude logged a double-double in the Finals.

He only took 16 shots and 2 FTs.

[QUOTE=nbahobbyaddict;19490167]I'm starting to wonder about this. 16 points and 6 turnovers last night. Jaylen Brown wins the Eastern Conference Finals MVP award. You've got guys like Josh Hart and others saying Derek White is the most impactful player on the team. I have thought Tatum is overrated for some time now, but now I'm not even sure he's the best player on the team.[/QUOTE]

You are obviously not an addict of the NBA.

Most Impactful does not equal best player.

Jaylon Brown deserved the ECF MVP. He was better in the series. And I actually picked Brown for Finals MVP.

Tatum is the best player on the team.
Brown is 1A.

guys: keep saying he's the second best on the team, inconsistent, etc.. I'm trying to pick up a few more of his cards for cheap.

The point was made by JJ Reddick (in ref to Nesmith) that the best defensive player on the team is always guarding Tatum.

so are we talking which Celtics player will get one of those bogus Finals MVP awards if they win, since no Celtics player is the best player on the floor in the Finals

Brown has moved closer but Tatum is still the best player on the team. He has averaged 25/10/6 this postseason and teams continue to scheme against him which opens up everything else for the C's. That and he is solid on the defensive end. You cannot pick on him like you can Luka for example. He expends a lot of energy on defense.

With that said I like Brown a bit more because of his athletic ability and aggressiveness which Tatum often lacks. JT relies more on refined skill. Either way Ainge knocked it out of the park with both those picks.

[QUOTE=pac213up;19490513]Brown has moved closer but Tatum is still the best player on the team. He has averaged 25/10/6 this postseason and teams continue to scheme against him which opens up everything else for the C's. That and he is solid on the defensive end. You cannot pick on him like you can Luka for example. He expends a lot of energy on defense.

With that said I like Brown a bit more because of his athletic ability and aggressiveness which Tatum often lacks. JT relies more on refined skill. Either way Ainge knocked it out of the park with both those picks.[/QUOTE]

Just think 'the process" of the 76ers could have had both instead they took Fultz and Simmons.

Embiid, Brown, and Tatum is a pretty lethal trio.

Tatum has the better 3 point shot and gets more ball.

I feel like Brown is the bigger difference maker though.

Nice problem to have. Especially when you can stack a team around these guys.

[QUOTE=rms13;19490332]I thnk Jaylen's comp is more Jimmy Butler. And I think he could be the #1 on the right playoff team like Butler has been in Miami.[/QUOTE]

I haven't seen anything from Brown that makes me believe he can take his game to Jimmy's level deep in the playoffs. To be fair, he seems to play better than during the regular season and it's not crazy to think he has an extra gear at 27.

[QUOTE=Scottish Punk;19490525]Just think 'the process" of the 76ers could have had both instead they took Fultz and Simmons.

Embiid, Brown, and Tatum is a pretty lethal trio.[/QUOTE]

They could have had Embiid, Jimmy and Maxey with an amazing bench. And that's with the Fultz/Tatum trade still happening.

With all the crap Simmons get, they could have gotten a decent haul for him after the Hawks series and he still has a higher VORP than Brown.

JT is every GM's wet dream 4 archetype from a sheer vitals/skillset. No diddy.

The problem is he has the consistency of an altcoin chart.

It's going to be extremely damning if the Celts secure the dub, but he doesn't end up taking home the FMVP. His g1 was massively underwhelming, unless we're handing out rebounding trophies.

Pordingy

Wait, did somebody just say Brown is a bigger version of Klay.

Tf going on here.

[QUOTE=sportzluvr1;19491174]Wait, did somebody just say Brown is a bigger version of Klay.

Tf going on here.[/QUOTE]

Nah, he's the same because people overrate him because he's in a great system playing along a number one scorer.

People were complaining about Klay missing the NBA 75 team just like people are complaining about Jaylen not being All-NBA.

Thanks to Tatum others have more space and opportunities to score. Take Tatum out of this team and Brown could not lead this team to championships. Tatum still the best player in this team.

The offense runs through Tatum and the attention he gets from help defenders. Thats what sets up their 3 game. Game 1 withstanding, he’s been elite in finding shooters and initiating ball movement

During the season, his featured lineups were often Pritchard, Hauser, Horford. Brown got Porzingis, Holiday and White

You may think he’s underperforming, but the offense goes through him. Every team in the postseason has given him that type of attention

[QUOTE=Guitarpatch;19491477]The offense runs through Tatum and the attention he gets from help defenders. Thats what sets up their 3 game. Game 1 withstanding, he’s been elite in finding shooters and initiating ball movement

During the season, his featured lineups were often Pritchard, Hauser, Horford. Brown got Porzingis, Holiday and White

You may think he’s underperforming, but the offense goes through him. Every team in the postseason has given him that type of attention[/QUOTE]

This.

Jaylen not making the All-NBA... well that's a heck of an incentive to outperform.

[QUOTE=Torro;19491400]Thanks to Tatum others have more space and opportunities to score. Take Tatum out of this team and Brown could not lead this team to championships. Tatum still the best player in this team.[/QUOTE]

This Boston team minus Tatum would have also made the Finals. So I'm not sure why they couldn't be a chance to win the title without him.

There's no way to prove your hot take though.

Boston didn't pay Brown $60 million per for no reason.

Tatum's shooting game is an incredible ace to have though.

[QUOTE=drobfan8;19491917]This Boston team minus Tatum would have also made the Finals. So I'm not sure why they couldn't be a chance to win the title without him.

There's no way to prove your hot take though.

Boston didn't pay Brown $60 million per for no reason.

Tatum's shooting game is an incredible ace to have though.[/QUOTE]




agree. Brown is way better than Tatum.


Tatum sucks.

Kristaps is the best player on the celtics

Then Brown
Then Derrick White
Then Jrue Holiday

Then Tatum

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[QUOTE=nbahobbyaddict;19492373][url]https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5550627/2024/06/08/jason-kidd-jaylen-brown-jayson-tatum-nba-finals/[/url][/QUOTE]

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I also saw this today.

Pretty funny. Especially with certain people on here getting all knotted up over it.

Good chance for Tatum to score 35 + next game. And hopefully shoot Boston out of the game.

Regardless of whether he's the best player or not, he's overrated for what he's done/doing. This media created this narrative of him being "Kobe-like," and that's just outrageous.

Is he a great player? Sure.
Does he have great upside if he was more consistent and aggressive? Absolutely.

But I'm tired of everybody giving him WAY too much credit and giving him these labels (even if he wins a chip this year with 4 All-Star caliber players surrounding him).

[QUOTE=90sbasketballin;19493107]Regardless of whether he's the best player or not, he's overrated for what he's done/doing. This media created this narrative of him being "Kobe-like," and that's just outrageous.

Is he a great player? Sure.
Does he have great upside if he was more consistent and aggressive? Absolutely.

But I'm tired of everybody giving him WAY too much credit and giving him these labels (even if he wins a chip this year with 4 All-Star caliber players surrounding him).[/QUOTE]

Yeah 1st team All-NBA. So overrated!

[QUOTE=Bosoxfan5990;19493168]Yeah 1st team All-NBA. So overrated![/QUOTE]

Hes only been 1st team all-nba three years in a row AND also finished top 6 in MVP voting during that span. I guess everyone overrates him year after year.

We got guys saying Jokic is overrated and he has won 3 of the last 4 mvp awards and won the finals last year

[QUOTE=boxbuster7;19493220]We got guys saying Jokic is overrated and he has won 3 of the last 4 mvp awards and won the finals last year[/QUOTE]

People hate success.

16 points through 5 quarters now.

mic'ed up, sounds like brown is the leader on the floor too the way he talks to his teammates.

[QUOTE=mc1;19493213]Hes only been 1st team all-nba three years in a row AND also finished top 6 in MVP voting during that span. I guess everyone overrates him year after year.[/QUOTE]

Would that mean his overratedness is underrated?

This is ridiculous. Of course Tatum is the best player on the team.

Without him we don't have a shot at a championship.

like 6-22 from the field ridiculous?

1 rebound away from a triple double in The Finals, but he stinks!

I don't think he stinks...but I don't think he really did anything great tonight besides his passing

[QUOTE=Bosoxfan5990;19493719]1 rebound away from a triple double in The Finals, but he stinks![/QUOTE]

Most people don't actually watch the games. I think Tatum had the biggest plays for the Celtics tonight. He's a rare player that can effect the entire game even when his shot isn't falling.

[QUOTE=rms13;19493754]Most people don't actually watch the games. I think Tatum had the biggest plays for the Celtics tonight. He's a rare player that can effect the entire game even when his shot isn't falling.[/QUOTE]


Exactly. Luka can score 30+ all he wants. He just doesn’t impact a game on offense and defense like Tatum can.

Can you be the best player on your team if you can’t even win finals MVP?

[QUOTE=boxbuster7;19493742]I don't think he stinks...but I don't think he really did anything great tonight besides his passing[/QUOTE]

He had a great steal on Kyrie at a crucial point in the game. He played great individual defense on Kyrie, Luka, Gafford, Lively and Maxi. He pulled down some huge rebounds against bigger guys at big points in the game. And he had 12 assists and is basically the point guard running their offense. And he hit a 3 when they needed it.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19493765]Can you be the best player on your team if you can’t even win finals MVP?[/QUOTE]

most people didnt have that problem with steph.

Bunch of Luka flies in here.

Jay T is trophy blocking their guy.

[QUOTE=pingbling23;19493770]most people didnt have that problem with steph.[/QUOTE]

He eventually won one.

Tatum may never achieve that.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19493794]He eventually won one.

Tatum may never achieve that.[/QUOTE]

it wasnt a problem before he won one but we dont know what the future holds. tatum goes on to average 30/10/10 for the next 2 games and he will get the fmvp.

[QUOTE=pingbling23;19493802]it wasnt a problem before he won one but we dont know what the future holds. tatum goes on to average 30/10/10 for the next 2 games and he will get the fmvp.[/QUOTE]

No Dukie has ever won a finals MVP.

Heck, no Dukie has ever won a regular season MVP.

Don’t see how this year will be any different.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19493765]Can you be the best player on your team if you can’t even win finals MVP?[/QUOTE]


Didn’t Iguadola win a Finals MVP?
You’d put him at least 4 on any of those Warrior teams behind, well you know the other 3


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You can tell the Boston fans that actually don't know basketball.

Jrue was your best tonight.

D. White also was great.

Looking shaky for Tatum to get the Finals MVP.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19493820]No Dukie has ever won a finals MVP.

Heck, no Dukie has ever won a regular season MVP.

Don’t see how this year will be any different.[/QUOTE]


Didn’t win the MVP the year Cleveland won it all, no fault of his own as nobody more MVPish than Lebron. Kyrie arguably hit the most important shot, though yes, Lebron’s block was uber important too. Basically don’t short change Kyrie and his one year at Duke. Without checking, I’m assuming Tatum was a one & done too.


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[QUOTE=drobfan8;19493849]You can tell the Boston fans that actually don't know basketball.

Jrue was your best tonight.

D. White also was great.

Looking shaky for Tatum to get the Finals MVP.[/QUOTE]

He’s already losing his edge in Vegas.

[QUOTE=drobfan8;19493849]You can tell the Boston fans that actually don't know basketball.

Jrue was your best tonight.

D. White also was great.

Looking shaky for Tatum to get the Finals MVP.[/QUOTE]


Cope.

[QUOTE=drobfan8;19493849]You can tell the Boston fans that actually don't know basketball.

Jrue was your best tonight.

D. White also was great.

Looking shaky for Tatum to get the Finals MVP.[/QUOTE]

Who cares, doesn't matter who gets it. Love the detractors trying to poke holes in our victory ship. Unlike the Titanic we ain't sinking. We're headed for that beautiful sunset on the horizon.

[QUOTE=drobfan8;19493849]You can tell the Boston fans that actually don't know basketball.

Jrue was your best tonight.

D. White also was great.

Looking shaky for Tatum to get the Finals MVP.[/QUOTE]


!!!! Guys on here can’t cope knowing they invested so much into the next Kobe [emoji1787] Put Tatum in Luka’s shoes and they wouldn’t even have sniffed the Finals.


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[QUOTE=90sbasketballin;19493895]!!!! Guys on here can’t cope knowing they invested so much into the next Kobe [emoji1787] Put Tatum in Luka’s shoes and they wouldn’t even have sniffed the Finals.


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I have to agree here.

Tatum has already choked a Finals series before vs GS.

Thank God they've added another 2 All star level guys jist to get the job done.

What other team can their "best" player just play average and they're up 2 to 0 still?

Yeah if you did put huge money in to Tatum, you can now see he's not a Kobe level guy.

[QUOTE=drobfan8;19493849]You can tell the Boston fans that actually don't know basketball.

Jrue was your best tonight.

D. White also was great.

Looking shaky for Tatum to get the Finals MVP.[/QUOTE]

oh my god I actual agree with something you posted. Hell has frozen over. :eek:

[QUOTE=90sbasketballin;19493895]!!!! Guys on here can’t cope knowing they invested so much into the next Kobe [emoji1787] Put Tatum in Luka’s shoes and they wouldn’t even have sniffed the Finals.


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The battle cry of the flies!

Love it!

[QUOTE=90sbasketballin;19493895]!!!! Guys on here can’t cope knowing they invested so much into the next Kobe [emoji1787] Put Tatum in Luka’s shoes and they wouldn’t even have sniffed the Finals.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=drobfan8;19493905]I Yeah if you did put huge money in to Tatum, you can now see he's not a Kobe level guy.[/QUOTE]

Tatum is a nice player but he doesn't have the natural talent, skill set or mentality to be "the next Kobe". It's funny when some people try to compare them. :doh:

[QUOTE=drobfan8;19493905]I have to agree here.

[B]Tatum has already choked a Finals series before vs GS. [/B]

Thank God they've added another 2 All star level guys jist to get the job done.

What other team can their "best" player just play average and they're up 2 to 0 still?

Yeah if you did put huge money in to Tatum, you can now see he's not a Kobe level guy.[/QUOTE]

You mean when he had a fractured wrist?

The rest of the NBA thinks he's their best player. There's a reason he was named 1st Team All-NBA.

Cope.

Tatum understands the caliber of players he has around him and has no reason to force the issue while getting doubled. He will continue to play solid D, rebound, and find open guys. Forcing shots is something he would have done at an earlier point of his career. Watching his growth as a playmaker in these situation has been fun.