2024 Topps Heritage Mini This Year? Yes!
 

Thought this needed it's own thread. As many were prognosticating, we will have a mini edition of Heritage baseball for the 1975 design.

Product Desc 2024 Topps Heritage Baseball Mini
Street Date: Wednesday, May 1st

Checklist: [url]https://www.topps.com/media/pdf/MLB2487-2024ToppsHeritageMini%20Baseball-Checklist.pdf[/url]

Minis have been in heritage for forever. Them being left off the checklist pointed to this being a separate product. And these were a big thing in 1975. So fully expected this.

If it's a one time thing to honor 1975, then sure. But please don't make this a recurring yearly thing. Too many things should have been a one and done and instead just become the latest watered down product and turn from something cool into an eye roll

[QUOTE=cj828282;19383070]Thought this needed it's own thread. As many were prognosticating, we will have a mini edition of Heritage baseball for the 1975 design.

Product Desc 2024 Topps Heritage Baseball Mini
Street Date: Wednesday, May 1st

Not an April Fools unless Americards is playing with the release date list or Topps is having fun with us.[/QUOTE]


It is not a joke, but they said it is supposed to be an online release..

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;19383203]If it's a one time thing to honor 1975, then sure. But please don't make this a recurring yearly thing. Too many things should have been a one and done and instead just become the latest watered down product and turn from something cool into an eye roll[/QUOTE]

Exactly :)!
If this is the year of the mini ( replicating the full size cards ) and non-recurring, it’s a great nod to the original ‘75 Topps / Topps Mini Product.

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;19383203]If it's a one time thing to honor 1975, then sure. But please don't make this a recurring yearly thing. Too many things should have been a one and done and instead just become the latest watered down product and turn from something cool into an eye roll[/QUOTE]

Yepp..

i hope they make it, as we predicted in the 2024 H thread

also, they announced that Pete Rose will have autos in 2024 Bowman. could be an april fools thing

Knew it. There was no way they were going to let this opportunity pass by.

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;19383203]If it's a one time thing to honor 1975, then sure. But please don't make this a recurring yearly thing. Too many things should have been a one and done and instead just become the latest watered down product and turn from something cool into an eye roll[/QUOTE]

Topps: "We listened to our customers. That's why we're making them pay extra for the thing that should have been part of the main release."

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;19383267]
also, they announced that Pete Rose will have autos in 2024 Bowman. could be an april fools thing[/QUOTE]

Ohtani dual auto card, of course -- sponsored by BetMGM.

Does this mean they are getting rid of the mini /100 this year in the regular Heritage set? I just checked the checklist and don't see it there, but want to make sure I didn't miss anything.

[QUOTE=fabiani12333;19383935]Topps: "We listened to our customers. That's why we're making them pay extra for the thing that should have been part of the main release."[/QUOTE]

They made a stand-alone product people will want. This will please far more customers than making minis exclusive /xyz cards inside the regular release.

[QUOTE=fabiani12333;19383935]Topps: "We listened to our customers. That's why we're making them pay extra for the thing that should have been part of the main release."[/QUOTE]


I'm pumped about a standalone release where I'd have just been alright with them popping up one a case or so. I much prefer this option.

[QUOTE=base set;19384529]They made a stand-alone product people will want. This will please far more customers than making minis exclusive /xyz cards inside the regular release.[/QUOTE]

Yep. I have not hit a mini in Heritage in about the last 10 cases. Last year from 4 cases at the National at exploited prices, none. 1975 is a popular design so this move will allow collection of the set at a more reasonable price even if the cards are not numbered.

[QUOTE=fabiani12333;19383935]Topps: "We listened to our customers. That's why we're making them pay extra for the thing that should have been part of the main release."[/QUOTE]

Bad take.....yes it was "part" of the main release, but the odds of pulling one were so astronomical that it was a very tangential part, in that the only way you could build the set was via EBay, a long and tedious process.

Whereas by making it a stand-along product (at least for this year), it will be much easier for people to build sets.

The real question is what Topps will do next year....will 1976 still be a stand-alone product, or will the minis return to being inserts in regular Heritage.

[QUOTE=mfw13;19388100]Bad take.....yes it was "part" of the main release, but the odds of pulling one were so astronomical that it was a very tangential part, in that the only way you could build the set was via EBay, a long and tedious process.

Whereas by making it a stand-along product (at least for this year), it will be much easier for people to build sets.

The real question is what Topps will do next year....will 1976 still be a stand-alone product, or will the minis return to being inserts in regular Heritage.[/QUOTE]

Why not increase the print run and odds? Making them very hard to pull was obviously anti-collector.

[QUOTE=fabiani12333;19388114]Why not increase the print run and odds? Making them very hard to pull was obviously anti-collector.[/QUOTE]

They've always been comparatively hard to pull....but with the number of mini's fixed (i.e. 100 cards of 100 players, i.e. 10,000 cards), the odds have decreased as print runs have increased.

Where Topps really screwed collectors a while back was with base chromes, which started out as being 19xx and then were switched to 9xx, decreasing supply by 50%.

In the early years you used to be able to pull 3-5 chromes per BOX, now you're lucky if you pull 3-5 per case.

[QUOTE=fabiani12333;19388114]Why not increase the print run and odds? Making them very hard to pull was obviously anti-collector.[/QUOTE]

Fanatics throws collectors a bone just often enough to keep some engaged.

Has anybody confirmed this?

Have not seen any mention of it anywhere online other than this thread....

[QUOTE=mfw13;19389694]Has anybody confirmed this?

Have not seen any mention of it anywhere online other than this thread....[/QUOTE]

Probably will not hear anything until April 30 in a Topps email announcement.

With so many issues with regular heritage, who's excited about this?

Probably $60 per box.

10 cards per pack.
12 packs per box.
Look for 1 white bordered variation, 2 base card short prints, 2 insert cards, and 3 base card short printed parallels per box on average.

will sell out!

The shop where I picked up S1 & Heritage on Release days this year reported being offered one case of this, direct. Haven’t asked my regular LCS but I expect the same there.

[QUOTE=mikejones;19416476]With so many issues with regular heritage, who's excited about this?

Probably $60 per box.

10 cards per pack.
12 packs per box.
Look for 1 white bordered variation, 2 base card short prints, 2 insert cards, and 3 base card short printed parallels per box on average.[/QUOTE]

Is this official info you got from somewhere?

Or are you just hypotheticalizing?

[QUOTE=mfw13;19416503]Is this official info you got from somewhere?

Or are you just hypotheticalizing?[/QUOTE]

There's pre-sale floating around the internet. The box contents seem to be correct. So no relics or autos per box like regular hobby.

[QUOTE=mikejones;19416509]There's pre-sale floating around the internet. The box contents seem to be correct. So no relics or autos per box like regular hobby.[/QUOTE]

no need for relics or autos for this release

Maybe the set will be easier to complete than Heritage proper.

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;19416516]no need for relics or autos for this release[/QUOTE]

It’s over a week away and I am already pulling my pants down.

Are they actually going to be mini or merely very poorly cut?

[QUOTE=JoshMN;19416602]It’s over a week away and I am already pulling my pants down.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=JoshMN;19416602]It’s over a week away and I am already pulling my pants down.[/QUOTE]

:)!:)!:)!

[QUOTE=oldgoldy97;19416607]Are they actually going to be mini or merely very poorly cut?[/QUOTE]

That’s what she said!

I’m going to see myself out now.

didn't Topps already do this with the mini 1975's from 2011 Lineage?

[QUOTE=duwal;19416746]didn't Topps already do this with the mini 1975's from 2011 Lineage?[/QUOTE]

They did.

I'm very curious as to whether or not this release will be like the 2011 Lineage inserts (i.e. a combination of active players and HOFers), or whether it will simply be a straight mini version of 2024 Heritage (i.e. active players only).

it better be a straight mini version of the 2024 release

I’m in for just one box to assemble a couple 9 card pages & see the parallels, in hand. Maybe they will make a unique one for the minis.

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;19416892]it better be a straight mini version of the 2024 release[/QUOTE]

That would actually be the least interesting format for me....too many no-name rookies and scrubs in the regular Heritage checklist.

My preferred set size would be something around 250 cards:

top 125 active players
top 25 RC's
50 All-Time Greats
50 best players active in 1975

Here’s hoping they print a legible card back at least. That would maybe make me switch to clecting this one.

[QUOTE=mfw13;19417262]That would actually be the least interesting format for me....too many no-name rookies and scrubs in the regular Heritage checklist.

My preferred set size would be something around 250 cards:

top 125 active players
top 25 RC's
50 All-Time Greats
50 best players active in 1975[/QUOTE]

From what I heard, it is all 500 cards from the checklist.

[QUOTE=mfw13;19417262]That would actually be the least interesting format for me....too many no-name rookies and scrubs in the regular Heritage checklist.

My preferred set size would be something around 250 cards:

top 125 active players
top 25 RC's
50 All-Time Greats
50 best players active in 1975[/QUOTE]

wish you did some freelance product design for topps, I agree this would be ideal

[QUOTE=cj828282;19417302]From what I heard, it is all 500 cards from the checklist.[/QUOTE]

That would be unfortunate, if true. But then we all know how lazy Topps/Fanatics is.....

Part of the appeal of Heritage in general is pulling cards of the stars of that period....autos, Box Toppers, Then & Now, etc.

At the very least they need to have the big-name rookies and stars of 1975 in the product, i.e. Brett, Yount, Rice, Lynn, Carter, K.Hernandez, Ryan, Bench, Reggie, Seaver, Schmidt, Carlton, Carew, Palmer, Fisk, Munson, Winfield, etc.

Hopefully nobody will buy any because it is going to suck. Then I can buy it all.

[QUOTE=mfw13;19417262]That would actually be the least interesting format for me....too many no-name rookies and scrubs in the regular Heritage checklist.

My preferred set size would be something around 250 cards:

top 125 active players
top 25 RC's
50 All-Time Greats
50 best players active in 1975[/QUOTE]

I disagree, if you're going to make a shorter checklist then just release the product as a complete box set.

Full checklist makes you work harder to make a complete set (which topps would want) and mirrors the base set which stays true to the original release.

[QUOTE=bub838;19417687]I disagree, if you're going to make a shorter checklist then just release the product as a complete box set.

Full checklist makes you work harder to make a complete set (which topps would want) and mirrors the base set which stays true to the original release.[/QUOTE]

The way Topps seeds SP's, it's already plenty hard to complete a set. People are buying complete cases of regular Heritage and not coming close to getting all 100 SP's.

And given that the Mini's are apparently going to be only 12 packs per box (instead of 24), with only 2 SP's per box, if the SP checklist is 100 cards again, it's going to be impossible to build the set.

Just saw post above. NVM.

[QUOTE=fabiani12333;19383935]Topps: "We listened to our customers. That's why we're making them pay extra for the thing that should have been part of the main release."[/QUOTE]

So you think leaving the Minis an insert set limited to 100 serial numbered sets is doing the 1975 set justice? Yeah, no....

[QUOTE=mfw13;19417262]That would actually be the least interesting format for me....too many no-name rookies and scrubs in the regular Heritage checklist.

My preferred set size would be something around 250 cards:

top 125 active players
top 25 RC's
50 All-Time Greats
50 best players active in 1975[/QUOTE]

That's basically Finest Flashbacks

The bigger question is what parallels they end up doing. Do they do something similar to 2012+ Mini sets with all those colors or do they mix it up and add chrome also?

[QUOTE=Archangel1775;19418043]The bigger question is what parallels they end up doing. Do they do something similar to 2012+ Mini sets with all those colors or do they mix it up and add chrome also?[/QUOTE]

Mini chrome would be interesting. I'm really surprised if there's no autos, I think a mini auto would be pretty cool.

Think these will be glossy like the 2022 online minis?

[QUOTE=Bunny Hop;19418086]Think these will be glossy like the 2022 online minis?[/QUOTE]

absolutely

[QUOTE=Archangel1775;19418043]The bigger question is what parallels they end up doing. Do they do something similar to 2012+ Mini sets with all those colors or do they mix it up and add chrome also?[/QUOTE]

Topps/Fanatics has done a very poor job figuring out the target audience for different products and then building a product that would appeal to that specific type of collector.

Regular Heritage is a perfect example of this in that the target audience should be set builders, but Topps/Fanatics has made increasingly difficult to actually build the basic master set (by increasing the number of SP's from 75 to 100, and by making it harder to build the basic insert sets (Then & Now, Flashbacks, New Age Performers, etc.).

And while it may only make a small dent in Topps sales, it does discourage set-builders like me from buying the product unless we absolutely love the design for that year.

So the real question is whether or not Topps/Fanatics have figured out who the target audience for a 1975 mini stand-alone product is, and whether or not they've formulated the product to appeal to that audience.

I am seeing pre-sale information for the boxes out there and I did see a price of $49.97 for the box.

[QUOTE=cj828282;19418463]I know that this will probably get taken down but there is pre-sale information out there:

[url]https://www.steelcitycollectibles.com/i/2024-topps-heritage-baseball-mini-box#:~:text=Configuration%3A,12%20packs%20per%20box[/url].[/QUOTE]

I'm wondering if some of the info just got populated from regular Heritage. I'm doubtful they are doing a Target version with Red parallels for Mini, but who knows?

[QUOTE=jduds;19418474]I'm wondering if some of the info just got populated from regular Heritage. I'm doubtful they are doing a Target version with Red parallels for Mini, but who knows?[/QUOTE]

It had to have. If you get 2 SPs per box on average then you wouldn't also get SPs at 1:3 packs (12 packs per box). I don't think the info in the product details section is correct.

[QUOTE=mikejones;19416476]With so many issues with regular heritage, who's excited about this?

Probably $60 per box.

10 cards per pack.
12 packs per box.
Look for 1 white bordered variation, 2 base card short prints, 2 insert cards, and 3 base card short printed parallels per box on average.[/QUOTE]

My guess is that topps will limit the production of mini. The 3 base card parallel will be chrome and consist of chrome /999, chrome/575, chrome /375, chrome /75, chrome /5, and chrome /1. I just can't see them printing this to Uranus like heritage but I could be wrong. 😂

would these be the first mini topps chromes?

i know they made those bowman chrome mini sets in the past

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;19418615]would these be the first mini topps chromes?

i know they made those bowman chrome mini sets in the past[/QUOTE]

2014 NFL, I believe.

[QUOTE=oldgoldy97;19418619]2014 NFL, I believe.[/QUOTE]

good call!

[QUOTE=mfw13;19418384]Topps/Fanatics has done a very poor job figuring out the target audience for different products and then building a product that would appeal to that specific type of collector.

Regular Heritage is a perfect example of this in that the target audience should be set builders, but Topps/Fanatics has made increasingly difficult to actually build the basic master set (by increasing the number of SP's from 75 to 100, and by making it harder to build the basic insert sets (Then & Now, Flashbacks, New Age Performers, etc.).

And while it may only make a small dent in Topps sales, it does discourage set-builders like me from buying the product unless we absolutely love the design for that year.

So the real question is whether or not Topps/Fanatics have figured out who the target audience for a 1975 mini stand-alone product is, and whether or not they've formulated the product to appeal to that audience.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately they've proved time and again they don't care about the old school set builders. They'd rather have poor collation and force you to buy more product.

I think they do know their target audience. They knew 1975 was going to be popular and they knew people were going to buy it no matter what.

Let's hope Mini is one of the "bones" they throw us and it's a good setup.

[QUOTE=MotorboatJones;19417463]Hopefully nobody will buy any because it is going to suck. Then I can buy it all.[/QUOTE]

Indeed. This product is going to suck. The votes are in. The BO elite have spoken.

I encourage you all to stay far away from this product.

[QUOTE=JoshMN;19418644]Indeed. This product is going to suck. The votes are in. The BO elite have spoken.

I encourage you all to stay far away from this product.[/QUOTE]

:)! :)! :coffee::coffee: ;)

Any news?

This is supposed to be coming out on Wednesday, and not a peep anywhere in the hobby media....

[QUOTE=mfw13;19429185]Any news?

This is supposed to be coming out on Wednesday, and not a peep anywhere in the hobby media....[/QUOTE]

Fanatics hasn't given advanced information out to any media in quite some time. We'll see it pop up on their site with an email same day.

No checklist, no odds until 2 weeks after pre-sales.

Same story as always, the days of sell sheets and early information are long gone.

My LCS expects their case to appear on Wednesday.

Topps tweeted yesterday that there are details coming soon about the product. Hopefully they will send out the product release schedule this week but could be delayed since most employees are probably at the Industry Conference.

And there it is:

$49.99 releases on Wednesday.

[url]https://twitter.com/Topps/status/1784996460263592305[/url]

[QUOTE=cj828282;19429270]And there it is:

$49.99 releases on Wednesday.

[url]https://twitter.com/Topps/status/1784996460263592305[/url][/QUOTE]

I'm still questioning the info. 120 cards w/ 3 numbered for $50 seems way out of line with Topps pricing.

One piece of info I'm dying to know is if those 3 numbered are in fact chrome like has been speculated.

[QUOTE=LittleJimmies;19429283]I'm still questioning the info. 120 cards w/ 3 numbered for $50 seems way out of line with Topps pricing.



One piece of info I'm dying to know is if those 3 numbered are in fact chrome like has been speculated.[/QUOTE]My LCS sent out their weekly newsletter and it was on there and their price for us to buy is also $50

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[QUOTE=base set;19429235]My LCS expects their case to appear on Wednesday.[/QUOTE]

My LCS is only getting one case too.

In for a case if I can remember to check Topps on Wednesday. If there are autos I really hope its a short list and they fall 1/case

If it's the EXACT same format and checklist as regular Heritage, then meh....I'll save my "wax ripping" budget for Chrome Platinum Anniversary.

Now if it's got some of the HOFers/retired players that were included as Box Toppers in regular Heritage, or has some other wrinkles that make it different, then it might be a fun rip.

no reason for it to be anything but the 2024 Heritage set in mini form.

you know, like the 1975 version

I’m glad they made it plain Jane

I was worried about chrome and autos etc and it would go to 200 a box or something stupid

Let it be cheap and let people make there sets

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;19429482]no reason for it to be anything but the 2024 Heritage set in mini form.

you know, like the 1975 version[/QUOTE]

Except for the fact that the hobby is completely different now than it was in 1975.

Back then, the minis were a limited test release in a unique format (that didn't catch on), and there was only one product released every year.

Now you have 100+ products being released every year, and a variety of different product include mini-sized cards. So there's nothing really unique about them.

What made previous Heritage minis interesting is that they were #/100 and therefore very hard to find. Without the scarcity factor, I'm not sure how much collector interest there will be if it's identical to regular Heritage.

[QUOTE=LittleJimmies;19429283]I'm still questioning the info. 120 cards w/ 3 numbered for $50 seems way out of line with Topps pricing.

One piece of info I'm dying to know is if those 3 numbered are in fact chrome like has been speculated.[/QUOTE]

It's in line with how they did 2022 Mini. I was expecting it to go up, but my guess is that they peaked at the secondary market for Mini wax and decided against raising the prices.