22-23 The CUP release date?
 

Any word on this product? I have not heard anything and makes me wonder if it will be produced? If it does, when can we expect it?

Probably dec. 2024. Would be surprised if it's before that.

I wonder what's considered the worst Cup release year? It seems like 22-23 would have a chance at that honor unless Beniers, Wright etc al get it going before release

[QUOTE=kingb22;19311998]I wonder what's considered the worst Cup release year? It seems like 22-23 would have a chance at that honor unless Beniers, Wright etc al get it going before release[/QUOTE]

Slafkovsky is doing well on the ice at the moment, but he is good enough to carry the product by himself!

[QUOTE=Philobut;19311973]Probably dec. 2024. Would be surprised if it's before that.[/QUOTE]

Unless you're joking he means 22-23 which still hasn't released yet.

Should be soon, OPC Platinum 22-23 is next I believe (Genius move right before S2 lol) and then that may be up although I could be wrong. Definitely before summer

[QUOTE=ThatGuyPal;19312574]Unless you're joking he means 22-23 which still hasn't released yet.

Should be soon, OPC Platinum 22-23 is next I believe (Genius move right before S2 lol) and then that may be up although I could be wrong. Definitely before summer[/QUOTE]

ultimate and premier will be before Cup as well. Probably a few others as well.

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Just saw on a reputable site that it is going to be released on June 15th, 2029.

Pre-orders start in July 2024 around midnight of the 12th.

Bank on it.

:)!:eek:

[QUOTE=ThatGuyPal;19312574]Unless you're joking he means 22-23 which still hasn't released yet.

Should be soon, OPC Platinum 22-23 is next I believe (Genius move right before S2 lol) and then that may be up although I could be wrong. Definitely before summer[/QUOTE]

I'm not joking.. Cup 21-22 released last december. They are 2 years late on this product since COVID and I doubt they plan on make it faster.

[QUOTE=kingb22;19311998]I wonder what's considered the worst Cup release year? It seems like 22-23 would have a chance at that honor unless Beniers, Wright etc al get it going before release[/QUOTE]

Not a hockey expert but 2012-13 wasn’t a great succes.

[QUOTE=ThatGuyPal;19312574]Unless you're joking he means 22-23 which still hasn't released yet.

Should be soon, OPC Platinum 22-23 is next I believe (Genius move right before S2 lol) and then that may be up although I could be wrong. Definitely before summer[/QUOTE]

I hope you're right!

Charging more than $500 for this crop in The Cup 2 years later is fleecing people out of their hard earned credit card balance.

[QUOTE=JohnnyAppleseed;19356026]Charging more than $500 for this crop in The Cup 2 years later is fleecing people out of their hard earned credit card balance.[/QUOTE]

No one is forced to buy it. Also -- everything is overpriced now. Buy singles (it's what I do) and let others eat the ROI and/or don't buy any wax and send a message to UD that prices need to be cut.

[QUOTE=stoopid;19356153]No one is forced to buy it. Also -- everything is overpriced now. Buy singles (it's what I do) and let others eat the ROI and/or don't buy any wax and send a message to UD that prices need to be cut.[/QUOTE]

Breakers keep those prices afloat. Not wax buyers.

[QUOTE=NotGoSportsBall;19356351]Breakers keep those prices afloat. Not wax buyers.[/QUOTE]

Breaking seems to be losing steam overall (fewer breakers now that just a year ago). In 2021-22 I'd agree, not today. Maybe this will lead to future sooner than later price reductions?

[QUOTE=stoopid;19356671]Breaking seems to be losing steam overall (fewer breakers now that just a year ago). In 2021-22 I'd agree, not today. Maybe this will lead to future sooner than later price reductions?[/QUOTE]

I dunno man. There seems to be more than ever on WhatNot and the biggest breakers are always doing Cup.

[QUOTE=stoopid;19356671]Breaking seems to be losing steam overall (fewer breakers now that just a year ago). In 2021-22 I'd agree, not today. Maybe this will lead to future sooner than later price reductions?[/QUOTE]

To us yes, when I go to my LCS on average every second trip there is someone who is "thinking of getting back into sports cards" that walks in, those people will be the ones thinking breaks are a "bargain"

[QUOTE=ThatGuyPal;19356860]To us yes, when I go to my LCS on average every second trip there is someone who is "thinking of getting back into sports cards" that walks in, those people will be the ones thinking breaks are a "bargain"[/QUOTE]

I never thought about it like this but I think you might be spot on. A lot of us who were around well before the pandemic price bumps know what box prices were. For a lot of these high end break, the price of a spot in a case break is probably more than what a box cost back then. Like someone else said, just buy singles and let someone else worry about making their credit card payment at the end of the month. People gotta learn sooner or later right?

[QUOTE=Brobocop;19356885]I never thought about it like this but I think you might be spot on. A lot of us who were around well before the pandemic price bumps know what box prices were. For a lot of these high end break, the price of a spot in a case break is probably more than what a box cost back then. Like someone else said, just buy singles and let someone else worry about making their credit card payment at the end of the month. People gotta learn sooner or later right?[/QUOTE]

Have you seen how the average idiot deals with their finances? The answer is no.

The thing I find strange is when you view upper deck future product previews, you can see they list The Cup 23/24 but nothing for 2022-2023.

[QUOTE=bryan2points;19361360]The thing I find strange is when you view upper deck future product previews, you can see they list The Cup 23/24 but nothing for 2022-2023.[/QUOTE]

Didn't they do something similar with Ice, where they merged two years worth of cards into one product release?

Also, if a product releases a full year after the players rookie season(in this case it would release after their second season) is it really still a rookie card?

[QUOTE=bryan2points;19361729]Also, if a product releases a full year after the players rookie season(in this case it would release after their second season) is it really still a rookie card?[/QUOTE]

Whether or not it's a rookie depends on the product's date and whether that player has been included yet. There were a lot of late products during 2020 and 2021 (which direct contributes to this thread even being a thing), so if the requirement was the actual release year matching the product year there'd be a lot of current players without 'rookies' (as you're suggesting to define them) in multiple products. Thankfully for consistency and continuity that's not how they do things, but they have lumped multiple set years into one product release and it may be happening again with The Cup(?).

[QUOTE=bryan2points;19361360]The thing I find strange is when you view upper deck future product previews, you can see they list The Cup 23/24 but nothing for 2022-2023.[/QUOTE]

[url]https://cloutsnchara.com/product-tag/the-cup/[/url]

curious to see what the presale price of 23/24 is...... 3k per box?

[QUOTE=stoopid;19361586]Didn't they do something similar with Ice, where they merged two years worth of cards into one product release?[/QUOTE]

The20-21 Ice Premieres were done as a bonus pack in 21-22, and there was 20-21 Exquisite Updates available as hits.

Still no update on The Cup 2022-23 release date?

21-22 released 12/20/23 so I'd guess no sooner than this December and likely not until early 2025

Has anyone heard anything in terms of a release date yet?

[QUOTE=bryan2points;19538049]Has anyone heard anything in terms of a release date yet?[/QUOTE]

We know 2020-21 released on February 23, 2023, and 2021-22 on December 20, 2023, so I'd say it's almost a lock for 2024 at some point, but no way would it be prior to the season starting, since they'll want it to overlap with actual hockey being played. Probably the best way to estimate the date would be to look at when the first images of 2021-22 were released and see how much time it took for actual release to occur, and then bank on a similar time frame for 2022-23.

I think the big question is whether there'll be any sticker autos or redemptions, as all SPA autos were live. Fingers crossed.

[QUOTE=kluke84;19390505]21-22 released 12/20/23 so I'd guess no sooner than this December and likely not until early 2025[/QUOTE]

So does that mean we won’t see Bedard RPA until 2026??!???

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;19538784]So does that mean we won’t see Bedard RPA until 2026??!???[/QUOTE]

Well for the Cup, no, and I won't see one ever because no way in hell am I paying $1600/tin or whatever godawful price they're going to charge for this watered down obscenity.

[QUOTE=rizzeedizzee;19538695]We know 2020-21 released on February 23, 2023, and 2021-22 on December 20, 2023, so I'd say it's almost a lock for 2024 at some point, but no way would it be prior to the season starting, since they'll want it to overlap with actual hockey being played. Probably the best way to estimate the date would be to look at when the first images of 2021-22 were released and see how much time it took for actual release to occur, and then bank on a similar time frame for 2022-23.

I think the big question is whether there'll be any sticker autos or redemptions, as all SPA autos were live. Fingers crossed.[/QUOTE]

Far far from a lock to release 22/23 this year.

It has been confirmed that The Cup 22/23 and 23/24 won't merge so probably Dec. 2024 for 2022-23 and at the end of 2025 for 2023-24

[url]https://www.checklistinsider.com/2022-23-upper-deck-the-cup-hockey[/url]

Not wild about the regular RPAs, but the Exquisite RCs that are jersey numbered look great. Dual shields are long overdue, considering Ultimate has had them for a while. I'm not sure though why there is a need for both Limited Logos (these look good as well) and the new Expanded Materials Autos - is one going to be game used and the other not? And don't forget this set will likely have update RPAs of three pretty big players in MacTavish, Eklund and Gustavsson, to go with an already very good rookie class.

Release Date September 18th....

[QUOTE=bryan2points;19578984]Release Date September 18th....[/QUOTE]

I see it as highly unlikely that UD releases SPA and Cup, its two marquee products, mere weeks apart. I'm guessing November at the earliest, but maybe even into December. And we can go by 21-22, where it was at least a couple of months after first images were released and actual release.

Says Premier releases the 28th of august (original date was in June). I'd think that you would see 22/23 Premier release before the cup.

I know we haven't seen officially cards yet, but these look to be the nicest cards from The Cup we have seen in a few years.

Feel like it should be at a fairly affordable price too (for The Cup at least) with the weaker rookie class and competing with Bedard year products coming out.

[QUOTE=Tones;19580497]I know we haven't seen officially cards yet, but these look to be the nicest cards from The Cup we have seen in a few years.

Feel like it should be at a fairly affordable price too (for The Cup at least) with the weaker rookie class and competing with Bedard year products coming out.[/QUOTE]

Can agree that they finally look like ultra-premium designs. You literally can't do worse than those chemical composition cards for the highest-end product. Stuff looked like MVP chase cards.

I'm also a fan of the "The Show" inserts returning, hopefully they're just as clean as 21-22. However, it looks like some of those those big booklets will be sticker autos, which is really disappointing.

Don't think we'll get the price coming down any time soon, unfortunately.

[QUOTE=JohnnyAppleseed;19580592]Can agree that they finally look like ultra-premium designs. You literally can't do worse than those chemical composition cards for the highest-end product. Stuff looked like MVP chase cards.

I'm also a fan of the "The Show" inserts returning, hopefully they're just as clean as 21-22. However, it looks like some of those those big booklets will be sticker autos, which is really disappointing.

Don't think we'll get the price coming down any time soon, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]
Gunna rephrase what I said earlier :D At initial release I don't see a cheaper price, but with all the competition of Bedard year products, I don't see it long after before the price drops.

[QUOTE=bryan2points;19578984]Release Date September 18th....[/QUOTE]

Would be happy to be wrong here. I just don't see it.

Zero chance this is cheaper from the get go, as look no further than the price for cases of 21-22 vs. 22-23 SPA, with the latter being about $10+ higher per box on average. And as I said, you're getting Eklund, McTavish, and Gustavsson RPAs plus other updates in 22-23 Cup, which is a pretty big deal.

That all having been said, if 23-24 SPA has huge legs, and this comes out not too long afterwards, wallet fatigue might soften prices pretty quickly. Big if though....

A large online retailer has public pricing as follows for 22-23 the Cup:

$929.95 per Tin
$5,499.95 per six box case

how many cards in the set are worth $6000?

actually shocked its not higher per tin

[QUOTE=anusinha;19581532]how many cards in the set are worth $6000?[/QUOTE]

The real question is, what % of cards are worth the 150/card being charged.

The product based on previews looks very much like overkill and just blah. Ill stick to the classics of SPA FW and Young Guns.

So apparently September 18th is the confirmed release date.

[QUOTE=bryan2points;19608614]So apparently September 18th is the confirmed release date.[/QUOTE]

I'll believe it when I see the checklist released haha but if that is the case, what's happening with 22/23 Premier...? Shelved and merged into 23/24 Premier?

little preview that leaked out

[IMG]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1062481802670903346/1281323751639748682/Screenshot_20240905-134226.png?ex=66db4d3c&is=66d9fbbc&hm=264cd39a7d11d4673a0c0c365bf9fd25b8946a75adfb47be57b50eeaadc726ab&[/IMG]

When 21-22 was released on December 20, 2023, the checklist was out by the 6th, i.e., 2 weeks before release. Yet no checklist for 22-23 thus far, and we're less than two weeks away form the supposed release date of the 18th. Plus, SPA was supposed to be a lock for September 20th, but now is on tap for October 30th. And why would they ever release their marquee hockey product when hockey doesn't even start for several weeks after release? Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but September 18th is just not adding up.

[QUOTE=malschick;19609244]little preview that leaked out

[IMG]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1062481802670903346/1281323751639748682/Screenshot_20240905-134226.png?ex=66db4d3c&is=66d9fbbc&hm=264cd39a7d11d4673a0c0c365bf9fd25b8946a75adfb47be57b50eeaadc726ab&[/IMG][/QUOTE]


that is sick!

[QUOTE=JanuaryRains;19608957]I'll believe it when I see the checklist released haha but if that is the case, what's happening with 22/23 Premier...? Shelved and merged into 23/24 Premier?[/QUOTE]

I spoke with cloutsnchara today and they confirmed the 18th for me. Only 13 days away...I'd think upper deck would of pushed the date back already if there was a delay

I've noticed a lot of shops all of a sudden selling other 22/23 products, I wonder if they are generating funds for this.

Wonder if Juraj autos will be live in this and ideally non sticker? The preview photos imply they are in it but I'm also still sitting on an unfulfilled redemption from February...

[QUOTE=kluke84;19609641]Wonder if Juraj autos will be live in this and ideally non sticker? The preview photos imply they are in it but I'm also still sitting on an unfulfilled redemption from February...[/QUOTE]

The one thing that concerns me when it comes to Slafkovsky auto's is, if you notice as time goes on his autograph is getting uglier and uglier. At first it was a nice full autograph with the #20 inscription (Love that) Then it became a bit of a scribble and and no #20 inscription. To now just a scribble looking like initials.

Given the amount of signing some of these players have to do now, I wonder if Slaf's full signature will ever appear again. The scribble autograph just makes the cards less desirable for me.

So is Premier just not releasing for 22-23 then?

[QUOTE=bryan2points;19609758]The one thing that concerns me when it comes to Slafkovsky auto's is, if you notice as time goes on his autograph is getting uglier and uglier. At first it was a nice full autograph with the #20 inscription (Love that) Then it became a bit of a scribble and and no #20 inscription. To now just a scribble looking like initials.

Given the amount of signing some of these players have to do now, I wonder if Slaf's full signature will ever appear again. The scribble autograph just makes the cards less desirable for me.[/QUOTE]

His auto without the 20 is horrible, I can't believe people pay the prices they do for the OPC Platinum ones. I guess the resale value will always be there, but I could never bite on that.

[QUOTE=thoughtfreeze;19610058]His auto without the 20 is horrible, I can't believe people pay the prices they do for the OPC Platinum ones. I guess the resale value will always be there, but I could never bite on that.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree more. Also the cup has slaf with a picture of him in the those ugly reverse retro habs jerseys #smurfs. Lazy UD

[QUOTE=bryan2points;19610334]I couldn't agree more. For me, it's just makes slafkovsky's full signature autographs that much more desirable.[/QUOTE]

Yep, exactly.

I had been looking at his autos for a while, ended up buying one from Ultimate because he did the full signature and it was a decent price.

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did anyone see that they're making 1 box that has nothing but the 7 RPA's /99. Imagine pulling that

And a Crosby/McDavid double shield is going to be insane

anyone see any monsters hit yet?

The McDavid/Crosby dual shield got pulled.

Pulled in a team break... how do you even randomize a card like that? lol

[QUOTE=malschick;19627760]Pulled in a team break... how do you even randomize a card like that? lol[/QUOTE]

I like the breakers who don't randomize it..but sell it and split the proceeds between both teams. If agreed upon ofcourse.

Some of the rips have been pretty rough, I don't think GP came close to making close to what they spent

[QUOTE=bryan2points;19610334]I couldn't agree more. For me, it's just makes slafkovsky's full signature autographs that much more desirable.[/QUOTE]

So yea, most of the Cup autos on ebay so far are pretty bad too.

[QUOTE=ThatGuyPal;19627857]Some of the rips have been pretty rough, I don't think GP came close to making close to what they spent[/QUOTE]

What is a GP.

The best I saw was Gretzky/Messier #/10 auto that was pulled in a 1 box random team break Some guy 1 spotted that card,

[QUOTE=ThatGuyPal;19627857]Some of the rips have been pretty rough, I don't think GP came close to making close to what they spent[/QUOTE]

Um, GP (as in GP Sports Cards) has huge profit margins baked into their breaks. How else do they fund all those five figure collection buys? Do the math sometime on their hit select Cup case breaks, as I think the sell through is perhaps close to double what they had to pay given the deals they must get because of their ordering volume.

Of course if you meant that those who bought into GP's breaks didn't come close to making back what they spent, then yes, but when is that ever the case? In any Cup break you have a couple of big winners, a few who might comes close to breaking even, but two-thirds who either get skunked outright or lose well over 50% of what they paid.

Let me end by saying I have nothing against GP. They seem very honest and they have a loyal following.

[QUOTE=ZappBrannigan;19628359]What is a GP.[/QUOTE]

GP Sports Cards. He has a channel on YouTube and does a lot of breaks.

Product looks nice from what I saw. Too rich for my blood and I don't like player worn rookie patch cards. But overall I think the cards look good this year.

[QUOTE=thoughtfreeze;19628332]So yea, most of the Cup autos on ebay so far are pretty bad too.[/QUOTE]

And his auto patch rookie has him in those ugly Habs reverse retro, smurf looking jerseys. Why upper deck, why. :doh: