2023 Marvel Fleer Ultra Midnight Sons
 

UD has been showing this off on FB and probably other places. I guess that means it is official, though I'm not sure of a release date yet (and no checklists are in the wild at this point).

I guess we can use FUMS as a shortened form. I had no idea Midnight Sons was yet another Marvel team. The team has had a few incarnations over the years and various reboots, in true Marvel fashion. None seem to have lengthy runs, so I'm not sure of the carrying power this has when compared to something like--the obvious comparison--the Avengers. But I know there are some Ghost Rider and Blade fans out there who are probably saving their allowance for this product.

Like FUA, we've got a ton of parallels, 3x3, Medallions, and more Jambalaya. there's also the (quite welcome) original art for the 1-100 cards (and signed versions). So I guess we have the makings of the "Fleer Ultra" formula, perhaps?
[LIST][*]Original Art 100-Card Base Set with Green, Blue, Orange, Purple, and RARE Gold Spectrum and Red Autographed parallels![*]Comic Clippings – All numbered. Look for Autographed, and Dual Autographed versions![*]Medallions – Numbered Gold, Platinum, Ruby Red, Sapphire Blue, Purple Amethyst, plus Emerald Green and 1-of-1 Opal Black Medallion Parallels![*]Magnificent Jambalaya Cards![/LIST]
Themed Inserts[LIST][*]Spellcraft Stories[*]Spirit of Vengeance[*]Thaumaturgical Artifacts[*]Strange Tales[*]Look for ultra-flashy Ultrabilities rainbow foil cards, glow in the dark Late Night Creep Concert, and Hellfire acetate/rainbow foil die-cut cards![*]BRAND-NEW! Cracks in the Tombstone rip card inserts, featuring mini numbered cards![*]Collect all nine 3×3 cards to piece together an epic puzzle![*]1-of-1 Original Art Sketch Cards![/LIST]

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Definitely features some popular Marvel characters but I really think UD is putting out too many Marvel sets at this point. Maybe they are paying Disney way more in licensing fees than pre-COVID which has made them feel forced to crank out so many sets.

Set looks decent at least.

I'm sure it is all under the guise of "catching up from covid". Premier just came out and it should have come out in 2021.

Marvel usually brings out Midnight Suns for Halloween, so an October release (next year) would make sense for this set.

Original art for an Upper Deck set is rare, so that's cool. The Fleer Ultra sets used to be original art, but they haven't bothered since Spider-Man.

[QUOTE=Rictor;19091602]Marvel usually brings out Midnight Suns for Halloween, so an October release (next year) would make sense for this set.
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I thought I read this is releasing end of November of this year... I see that date on one distribution site if I google, but not others, so not sure how accurate it is.

[QUOTE=Rictor;19091602]The Fleer Ultra sets used to be original art, but they haven't bothered since Spider-Man.[/QUOTE]

Weren't FUXM18 and the recent Fleer Ultra Avengers set both original art? I know FUA has some library art, especially for the inserts, but pretty sure the base 90 was new original art.

Yes, the first 90 in FUA was original art.

Love how gothic this set feels!

Yes the model for Fleer Ultra was all original art back in the 90s, and the modern era 2017-present Fleer Ultra is: original art base, [i]some[/i] original art inserts, but the rest of the inserts rehashed art. FUA had most of its subsets and inserts all rehashed except like the Chesspiece set. All Fleer Ultra base sets have been original art.

I have to say, this set looks pretty cool content wise. Barely familiar with this genre in marvel but character lineup and darker theme looks cool. Looks like it was also a video game.

I agree with above comments there is a massive glut or marvel cards on the horizon and the marvel card market, down as it is now, is spread too thin for these zillions of parallels and medallions to sustain much value. Hopefully the cost of the product will be lower to reflect this…ideally back down to pre-pandemic levels like $150ish to maybe 200 a box , but I’m sure that won’t happen and will be in the FUA range.


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[QUOTE=JERAF;19091827]Love how gothic this set feels![/QUOTE]

I haven't bought any physical marvel cards since MM2016, this product may change that....

Any thoughts on initial box/case price?

[QUOTE=PumpnDumpling;19091951]I haven't bought any physical marvel cards since MM2016, this product may change that....

Any thoughts on initial box/case price?[/QUOTE]

I’d imagine it will be close to FUA.

[QUOTE=finfangfan;19091980]I’d imagine it will be close to FUA.[/QUOTE]

So about $250 per box? Also, this may seem like a ridiculous question but as i have NEVER ordered a UD product from BO do i need to call them to place an order or inquire if the presale is live? TY in advance :)!

Oh yah, I was thinking Fleer Metal. Those have been rehashed art when the original sets had original art. I think pretty much all the Impel/Fleer Marvel sets in the 90s had original art. That was part of the appeal.

FUA is still not sold out on epack, this many months out. $22 a pack and $255 a box. Clearly the market does not seem to be valuing the set at these numbers. Drop since pandemic high is really affecting this, yet UD will price the wax like we are still in that boom. Secondary singles value is just not there.

I wouldnt be surprised if this is the same price as FUA...but I have a hard time seeing the value in it at a close to $300 box. A shame since the set and content looks neat, like those themed comic cuts. But a cool/interesting set itself doesnt make up the value of a 300 box.

I do like the return of the 3x3 puzzle! Always look forward to that in these Fleer Ultra sets. Wonder who the artist is

[QUOTE=PumpnDumpling;19091951]I haven't bought any physical marvel cards since MM2016, this product may change that....

Any thoughts on initial box/case price?[/QUOTE]

There is a preorder out there for $199 for the hobby box right now

Does anyone know how long it takes for UD to develop one of these modern sets? Releasing FUA, this and Fleer Ultra Wolverine right after one another just doesn't seem to make much sense.

No idea, especially since the original art aspect is there. I know Fleming is slowly selling off some of the FUA art (I think), but I have no idea how long ago he would have completed it.

Also, sketch blanks for FUMS and FUW (are we using all the acronyms now?) have been floating around for many months.

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Also, sketch blanks for FUMS and FUW (are we using all the acronyms now?) have been floating around for many months.[/QUOTE]

If Upper Deck ever gets the DC license, maybe we will get a Fleer Ultra Clark Kent set?

[QUOTE=finfangfan;19092194]If Upper Deck ever gets the DC license, maybe we will get a Fleer Ultra Clark Kent set?[/QUOTE]


Lol. I guess they're taking "Character Collecting" to the next level!

[QUOTE=PurplesaurusRex;19092168]Does anyone know how long it takes for UD to develop one of these modern sets? Releasing FUA, this and Fleer Ultra Wolverine right after one another just doesn't seem to make much sense.[/QUOTE]

There was a podcast with the director of product development at Upper Deck (it was long but lots of cool info). He mentioned how they were so far behind on printing and packaging.

Basically the way I understood it: during Covid and lockdowns they didn’t stop developing sets. They were probably able to keep that going while working remotely. However all the physical aspects of printing, packaging and distributing the sets got massively impacted.

I don’t think the intent is to release this much product this frequently, but they’re just catching up on the final steps of otherwise completed products.

Cool set, but if it gets listed over $20 a pack, it might be the first Marvel set in years to get marked down 75% on ePack three years from now.

[QUOTE=finfangfan;19092194]If Upper Deck ever gets the DC license, maybe we will get a Fleer Ultra Clark Kent set?[/QUOTE]


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No checklist is absolutely wild at this point

[QUOTE=Supersized Ry;19092393]No checklist is absolutely wild at this point[/QUOTE]Why? There's not a set date yet

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[QUOTE=JERAF;19092416]Why? There's not a set date yet

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There was something in the Facebook groups about a next month release I saw. It wasn't like official but they were talking like it was next month

2023 Marvel Fleer Ultra Midnight Sons
 

Huh, youd think with a set like this they’d really try to get that out by Halloween. Guess not

Looks cool, might grab a couple boxes if price is reasonable*.. not going crazy though.

*Which we all know that's unlikely.

[QUOTE=Supersized Ry;19092393]No checklist is absolutely wild at this point[/QUOTE]

Not really. The checklist usually pops up on Cardboard Connection two or three weeks prior to release. Just means it's not ready to come out yet.

I’m seeing a supposed release date of 11/30

[QUOTE=mjohnatgt;19092244]Cool set, but if it gets listed over $20 a pack, it might be the first Marvel set in years to get marked down 75% on ePack three years from now.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, I don’t think upperdeck lists this thing anything near the $255 FUA is listed. I live right down the street from Dave and Adam’s and one of the people said there’s basically nobody preordering for this set. I believe he said they already dropped the preorder box price $3 and essentially the preorder trajectory is determined by preorders. Basically it works 3 ways

1) preorder sells fast, prices rise over time
2) preorder sells fast, prices lower over time
3) preorder sells slow, prices lower over time

With the 3rd category, he basically said that unlike the 2nd, they usually drop precipitously and from what I understand the preorder per box price for distributors was sub $100 for this set.

My guess: Within 3 months of physical release, physical prices drop to $150. Epack is listed at $150 per box. Physical prices from big retailers drop to $110 per box for this set. This thing sits on epack forever (since it’ll be competing with FUA, MM, premier, etc). Good luck upperdeck, your market saturation is catching up.

Who knows, for some specific character collectors this could be the best product in years.

I really don't understand why UD is releasing this set right now. Ok, you've got the designs, why not just wait until next year? This product is just being set up for failure.

[QUOTE=glorbgorb;19124227]Who knows, for some specific character collectors this could be the best product in years.[/QUOTE]

I have no doubt the people who buy this will love it because it’s so different and niche but what’s probably the biggest retail distributor of this set has basically received almost next no interest (compared to more recent sets) as far as preorders go. Even Allegiance and what if had more preorder interest. Which is weird to me because those aren’t considered even mid-tier products, yet they’ve done better than this Fleer Ultra set comparatively speaking and both are still sitting with bloated inventories.

I’ll still buy some cards on the aftermarket from this set but even at $150, I doubt I even buy a single box of this. I’ve got a feeling a lot of others will feel the same way.

I find it an odd business decision to pump out so many Marvel sets in 2023 and not have one of them be a Precious Metal Gems set. I think the hobby can absorb one Marvel PMG set a year but can’t absorb a dozen non-PMG Marvel sets hitting the same year.

This set is kind of digging itself a hole with collectors by inserting Medallions instead of PMG. The secondary market interest in Medallions is just not there so I don’t think there will be a mad rush to buy this product at $200 a box.

Yeah I'm on the fence about this set. There's a maybe 3-6 cards I'm after, so I might get half a case, but having a tough time justifying a full one

[QUOTE=finfangfan;19124464]I find it an odd business decision to pump out so many Marvel sets in 2023 and not have one of them be a Precious Metal Gems set. I think the hobby can absorb one Marvel PMG set a year but can’t absorb a dozen non-PMG Marvel sets hitting the same year.

This set is kind of digging itself a hole with collectors by inserting Medallions instead of PMG. The secondary market interest in Medallions is just not there so I don’t think there will be a mad rush to buy this product at $200 a box.[/QUOTE]

I think it's a case where UD is trying to see what the point of saturation is. I know the product manager said production delays were due to covid and that design still occurred but it was a conscious decision to release all these sets this year. If anything, a part of me is happy they made this decision because it'll probably decrease the entire aftermarket for marvel which hopefully should lead to more reasonable box prices and secondary market single prices.

Fanatics is pumping out Star Wars products too. I’m kind of thinking the cost of the Marvel card licensing went through the roof and the only way UD hopes to recoup is by pumping out set after set and hoping sell through is enough to justify rising licensing costs.

In addition to the UD sets, Magic the Gathering is dipping into the Marvel license. While gaming cards are traditionally a separate market from “normal” Marvel card sets, I could see many card stores shifting their Marvel budgets to the Magic offerings if the UD stuff continues to get over saturated and product sits.

With all these Fleer Ultra sets coming out so close to one another (FUA, MS and possibly Wolverine), it makes you wonder why they didn't just combine the best of the best and create one amazing set with a larger print run? Ditch the Annual inserts and comic covers, add more characters and medallions.

[QUOTE=finfangfan;19124464]This set is kind of digging itself a hole with collectors by inserting Medallions instead of PMG. The secondary market interest in Medallions is just not there so I don’t think there will be a mad rush to buy this product at $200 a box.[/QUOTE]

I don't think it would've helped. PMG prices have dropped compared to a year ago. Adding more PMGs to the mix would drop prices further.

Here's hoping all this stuff is $600/case at the National next summer, where it should be.

If this was that price, I’d be in. Even at $100/box. The jambalaya backgrounds on this set though (which is an insert I collect) are downright ugly.

Hoping we get a checklist for this soon [emoji1374]


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Wow the medallion checklist is beefy: black panther, black cat, captain america, carnage, daredevil, blade, johnny blaze, moon knight, spiderman, venom, wolverine, scarlet spider, scarlet witch

I take it back, if any insert is going to carry this set it’s this one. The selection on jambalayas is iffy but the fact that carnage, venom, spiderman, wolverine and ghost spider is included in this set…may be a sleeper after all.

[QUOTE=Marvel Card;19247898]Wow the medallion checklist is beefy: black panther, black cat, captain america, carnage, daredevil, blade, johnny blaze, moon knight, spiderman, venom, wolverine, scarlet spider, scarlet witch

I take it back, if any insert is going to carry this set it’s this one. The selection on jambalayas is iffy but the fact that carnage, venom, spiderman, wolverine and ghost spider is included in this set…may be a sleeper after all.[/QUOTE]


Medallions will never carry a product. Look at FUA, Captain America platinum medallions have sold for under $30. Like it or not, Medallions have never carried the same popularity as PMGs.

[QUOTE=jjas311;19248123]Medallions will never carry a product. Look at FUA, Captain America platinum medallions have sold for under $30. Like it or not, Medallions have never carried the same popularity as PMGs.[/QUOTE]

Like always, you seem to interpret every comment on here incorrectly. Of all the inserts, this is the most desirable. And if you’re going off of values sold, then yes it is going to be the most valuable insert. Carrying is in reference to the product sold, not total sold product.

“Have never” going off the one entire marvel set that’s been released? LOL

If you’re referring to sports inserts, I never said medallions are going to be worth more than PMGs. Again, you’re wrong.

[QUOTE=Marvel Card;19247898]Wow the medallion checklist is beefy: black panther, black cat, captain america, carnage, daredevil, blade, johnny blaze, moon knight, spiderman, venom, wolverine, scarlet spider, scarlet witch

I take it back,[B] if any insert is going to carry this set it’s this one.[/B] The selection on jambalayas is iffy but the fact that carnage, venom, spiderman, wolverine and ghost spider is included in this set…may be a sleeper after all.[/QUOTE]

What am I misinterpreting?

[QUOTE=jjas311;19248144]What am I misinterpreting?[/QUOTE]

Read my reply above

[QUOTE=Marvel Card;19248160]Read my reply above[/QUOTE]

Ah, ok, I did read it...but you edited the reply.

You are talking about a parallel insert carrying a product. I'm using PMGs as an example of a parallel insert that has carried or at least significantly helped carry a product.

This isn't wrong, it's been part of the fabric of the hobby since 1997. Medallions have always been cool, but the rarer FU inserts (especially acetate stuff) have been more desirable than the medallions.

I don't think this will change because nostalgia is too powerful.

I’ll be damned, this set is ten times cooler than FUA. Great art, sleeper for sure.

[QUOTE=jjas311;19248496]Ah, ok, I did read it...but you edited the reply.

You are talking about a parallel insert carrying a product. I'm using PMGs as an example of a parallel insert that has carried or at least significantly helped carry a product.

This isn't wrong, it's been part of the fabric of the hobby since 1997. Medallions have always been cool, but the rarer FU inserts (especially acetate stuff) have been more desirable than the medallions.

I don't think this will change because nostalgia is too powerful.[/QUOTE]

If you read my original message, where your original misinterpretation took place, it is timestamped well before any of your replies.

You’re talking about sports when you say acetate has been more desirable. That may be in sports but it’s simply not in marvel. There’s only 1 set to base this off of and that’s FUA. The acetate for this set has had no desirability. The universe power supreme, the animation cels are nothing but a blip. Even the auto animation cels #13 dropped and are going for about as much as a /25 sapphire on average.

Like I said, the medallions are enough to carry this set. There is no acetate parallel which even comes close to competing with the medallions.

I’m currently opening a full 12 box case of this stuff. It’s really nice. Fun product with some different, cool looking characters. So far I’ve gotten 3 artist autos, Man-Thing jambalaya, Captain America gold medallion, Hela platinum, Hannibal King ruby, 2 orange base /25, a dark texts booklet, a couple of the cracks in the tombstone rip cards and lots of other nice inserts.

[QUOTE=Marvel Card;19247898]Wow the medallion checklist is beefy: black panther, black cat, captain america, carnage, daredevil, blade, johnny blaze, moon knight, spiderman, venom, wolverine, scarlet spider, scarlet witch
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Captain America and Falcon in a horror themed set? With all the character crossover these Fleer Ultra sets just start blending together and really don't have a unique identity. I noticed the same thing with FUA, tons of X-men characters in there.

[QUOTE=PurplesaurusRex;19253937]Captain America and Falcon in a horror themed set? With all the character crossover these Fleer Ultra sets just start blending together and really don't have a unique identity. I noticed the same thing with FUA, tons of X-men characters in there.[/QUOTE]

Very true. Makes me think UD is just throwing the bigger characters in to maximize interest in the product and boost the singles market. Wolverine and Spiderman didnt need to be in FUA. (yea yea, someone will tell me how Spiderman was an Avenger at one point, or Wolvie happened to be in a crossover- dont care, I dont associate them with Avengers).

Edit: another example, Wolverine in Spiderman Metal

I opened an interesting box tonight. It would appear that Midnight Sons has hot boxes. Every single pack I opened had either a box hit or case hit out side of 2 packs with medallions. It was an extremely fun break overall.

[QUOTE=JetsFan42;19255259]I opened an interesting box tonight. It would appear that Midnight Sons has hot boxes. Every single pack I opened had either a box hit or case hit out side of 2 packs with medallions. It was an extremely fun break overall.[/QUOTE]

Need a recap and pics!

[QUOTE=LittleJimmies;19255633]Need a recap and pics![/QUOTE]

This all came out of a single box. As i was open it I thought the box was done after the first 3 packs, but it kept going.
Jennifer Kale Ultra Shade Meister auto 002/100
Johnny Blaze Medallion /200
Blade orange /25
Demogoblin /25
Scarlet Spider Puzzle
Cloak Blue /180
Paradox Ultrabilities
Ghost Rider Creep Concert
Mephisto Hellfire
Johnny Blaze Tombstone (Magik Mini inside)


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[QUOTE=JetsFan42;19255644]This all came out of a single box. As i was open it I thought the box was done after the first 3 packs, but it kept going.
Jennifer Kale Ultra Shade Meister auto 002/100
Johnny Blaze Medallion /200
Blade orange /25
Demogoblin /25
Scarlet Spider Puzzle
Cloak Blue /180
Paradox Ultrabilities
Ghost Rider Creep Concert
Mephisto Hellfire
Johnny Blaze Tombstone (Magik Mini inside)


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That had to have been a blast opening. Some gorgeous cards there, congrats!

So the Spiderman medallion art is the same as the spiderman base card in Metal Universe just 2 years ago? Cmon UD lol.

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On the upside, these medallions do look pretty cool (for rehashed art). This Carnage is pretty rad, and is a better picture of how the medallions pop (rainbow reflective)

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Howard the Duck!

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Only nitpicks are they are kind of out of place in a darker/horror themed Marvel set, almost like they were just thrown in as a generic Fleer Ultra insert to be a desirable hit. Also... a /50 red, /35 purple, and /25 sapphire....really? That's way too close together....parallel overload once again.

It’s cool they got Spider-Man in the medallion cards. Adds value

But same photo. That’s odd

[QUOTE=kyle1707;19256614]It’s cool they got Spider-Man in the medallion cards. Adds value

But same photo. That’s odd[/QUOTE]

UD recycles art a lot in the Marvel sets.

EDIT: here’s the image we are talking about from MUSM PMG…

[IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Marvel/2022/Upper-Deck-Marvel-Metal-Universe-Spider-Man---Base---Precious-Metal-Gems-Red/76/Spider-Man.jpg?id=748fb5c5-6e30-4034-a097-b22c9edfc9fa&size=zoom[/IMG]

I like the idea of Medallions, I just wish they were a parallel of the original art. UD loves making parallels and adding them here would've been a great move.

[QUOTE=kyle1707;19256614]It’s cool they got Spider-Man in the medallion cards. Adds value

But same photo. That’s odd[/QUOTE]


Some would say lazy, or maybe a smart move to keep the parallel collectors interested. :D

[QUOTE=PurplesaurusRex;19256653]Some would say lazy, or maybe a smart move to keep the parallel collectors interested. :D[/QUOTE]


Perhaps we can call it a hyper-rainbow? Literally from two different sets lol.

But imagine the rainbow you could string together with all the variants of both those cards. Would cost a small fortune too.

I dont know what that Carnage was taken from (probably some comic), but I almost have to think it was a homage to Julie Bell's 96MM Wolverine, just flipped. Either that or a coincidence.

[URL="https://www.comc.com/Cards/Marvel/1996/Fleer_Marvel_Masterpieces_-_Base/92/Genesis_-_Wolverine/9682965"][IMG]https://img.comc.com/i/Marvel/1996/Fleer-Marvel-Masterpieces---Base/92/Genesis---Wolverine.jpg?id=e571fe6e-1dd0-478e-8917-68f779e3c55d&size=original[/IMG][/URL]
1996 Fleer Marvel Masterpieces - [Base] #92 - Genesis - Wolverine
[I]Courtesy of [URL="https://www.comc.com"]COMC.com[/URL][/I]

I need a base #11 to finish my base set out if anybody can help please PM me

[QUOTE=JetsFan42;19255644]This all came out of a single box. As i was open it I thought the box was done after the first 3 packs, but it kept going.
Jennifer Kale Ultra Shade Meister auto 002/100
Johnny Blaze Medallion /200
Blade orange /25
Demogoblin /25
Scarlet Spider Puzzle
Cloak Blue /180
Paradox Ultrabilities
Ghost Rider Creep Concert
Mephisto Hellfire
Johnny Blaze Tombstone (Magik Mini inside)


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Great for you but for every 'hot' box there are boxes with no hits. Been reading lots of people saying their boxes had no hits.

Man the prices on some of these singles are out of hand. This is a great looking set but $1300 for a red venom medallion, c’mon. I’ve been tracking actual sales of individual cards and people just aren’t willing to pay top dollar. If this were a different set $1300 for a red venom #/50, sure.

[QUOTE=One more set;19257686]Man the prices on some of these singles are out of hand. This is a great looking set but $1300 for a red venom medallion, c’mon. I’ve been tracking actual sales of individual cards and people just aren’t willing to pay top dollar. If this were a different set $1300 for a red venom #/50, sure.[/QUOTE]


Sellers of course can ask the moon, but this is probably trying to capitalize on initial release hype, and also trying to be a PMG.

[QUOTE=DynaEtch;19257821]Sellers of course can ask the moon, but this is probably trying to capitalize on initial release hype, and also trying to be a PMG.[/QUOTE]

This happens with every new release. It will be a shiny new object until the next release.

As a buyer I will wait until these hit Epack and the prices avalanche occurs.

So predictable.....

[QUOTE=DynaEtch;19256545]

[B]Howard the Duck!
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[img]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/9rcAAOSw-hlloetD/s-l650.jpg[/img]

[B]Only nitpicks are they are kind of out of place in a darker/horror themed Marvel set,[/B] almost like they were just thrown in as a generic Fleer Ultra insert to be a desirable hit. Also... a /50 red, /35 purple, and /25 sapphire....really? That's way too close together....parallel overload once again.[/QUOTE]

The Duck's first comic appearance (and the following few appearances) is actually in a "Horror" Comic (Fear #19), so fits in here.

[QUOTE=smanzari;19258716]The Duck's first comic appearance (and the following few appearances) is actually in a "Horror" Comic (Fear #19), so fits in here.[/QUOTE]

It could also be a cheeky nod to the infamous 1980s Howard The Duck movie which was distinctly horror flavored.

[QUOTE=DynaEtch;19256545]So the Spiderman medallion art is the same as the spiderman base card in Metal Universe just 2 years ago? Cmon UD lol.[/QUOTE]

Black suit Spiderman was a no-brainer. Maybe UD couldn't use it, though.

[QUOTE=imwonderboy;19256962]Great for you but for every 'hot' box there are boxes with no hits. Been reading lots of people saying their boxes had no hits.[/QUOTE]
Fake news.

[QUOTE=bbradfo2012;19262155]Fake news.[/QUOTE]

Found one with zero numbered hits: [URL]https://youtu.be/Sct6Ra0Evfo?t=2310[/URL]