Will Burrow Prices Drop Dramatically?
 

see title'? Will his prices drop dramatically?

His Rated Rookie Holos last night were going for $900

His Orange Lazer Prizm were going for $650

Thoughts?

With a declining economy + a declining hobby + offseason dip...yes his cards are about to drop. Drastically...I'm not sure. So either sell now for a loss or wait 8 months and pray the economy doesn't completely tank.

I would hope a super bowl appearance + a near 2nd year in a row super bowl appearance means something and they don't completely tank.

If you're comparing prices to this week, right after a Bills demolishing and the prospects of playing a hurt Mahomes with little weapons, YES they are going to tank compared to the crazy bump in prices we saw this week.

If you're comparing to 2020 prices, no they will be right in line.

[QUOTE=Taybox;18678698]I would hope a super bowl appearance + a near 2nd year in a row super bowl appearance means something and they don't completely tank.[/QUOTE]

Jim Kelly went to four super bowls and his cards never recovered.

Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl and his stuff tanked.

Big Ben won two super bowls and his stuff never reached the peak again.

Burrow was a pandemic pump baby - don’t hold your breath waiting for his cards to recover in price.

[QUOTE=Taybox;18678698]I would hope a super bowl appearance + a near 2nd year in a row super bowl appearance means something and they don't completely tank.[/QUOTE]

Super bowl appearance and super bowl win are two gigantically different things, and "[I]almost[/I] SB appearance 2 years in a row" means nothing. Anyone holding these guys at this time of year should be expecting a pretty good drop as soon as they lose. Just the nature of pricing in a potential SB win.

Will his stuff "tank?" I think his achievements thus far plus his star power give him a higher floor, but his prices may very well have peaked as long as he stays in Cincy. If you're not in for the long haul, I'd get out asap.

I don't know that he tanks (relative to other QBs) because other than Mahomes and Hurts, there weren't any other hobby qbs who had a better playoff run.

This team will be loaded again next year and he'll get a lot of hype as Super Bowl favorites, or close to it. He's still got some time before collectors really start to move on.

Yes, his prices are going to drop significantly from this week's peak... Yes, I am going to be buying in the offseason

That's like asking if Christmas decorations will be cheaper on December 26th. Of course! It's a cycle like anything else. If you are buying to re-sell then you buy in the offseason and sell around Week 12 or so when the playoff battles are heating up and a certain player is making a nice run. Long term, it depends on a lot of stuff. Who knew Geno Smith would ever be collectible again? Injuries happen. Trades happen. Some players just fall off. Others get better. But asking if his prices will drop the day after being eliminated from the playoffs is bordering on rhetorical.

If he's healthy, he's elite for his career. Does that mean anything to the hobby though?

I'd expect a dip in prices. He's pretty popular so there's a near term floor at some level. Might take an MVP and a ring to get back to previous heights.

[QUOTE=Taybox;18678681]see title'? Will his prices drop dramatically?

His Rated Rookie Holos last night were going for $900

His Orange Lazer Prizm were going for $650

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

yes...

I don't see his prices dipping all that dramatically. People love him, non-fans love him, he's healthy, has charisma, a blue-collar work ethic and relatable attitude... All arrows are pointing upward.

Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Tua, Derek Carr, Deshaun Watson, and Dak Prescott on the other hand... I wouldn't touch those dudes' cards with a 10-foot pole.

[QUOTE=dcarado;18678759]Super bowl appearance and super bowl win are two gigantically different things, and "[I]almost[/I] SB appearance 2 years in a row" means nothing. Anyone holding these guys at this time of year should be expecting a pretty good drop as soon as they lose. Just the nature of pricing in a potential SB win.

Will his stuff "tank?" I think his achievements thus far plus his star power give him a higher floor, but his prices may very well have peaked as long as he stays in Cincy. If you're not in for the long haul, I'd get out asap.[/QUOTE]

SB wins hardly mean anything (unless you are overly popular, hobby hyped) - Eli Manning, 2x Super Bowl Champ, says hi...

[QUOTE=majestik101;18679368]I don't see his prices dipping all that dramatically. People love him, non-fans love him, he's healthy, has charisma, a blue-collar work ethic and relatable attitude... All arrows are pointing upward.

Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Tua, Derek Carr, Deshaun Watson, and Dak Prescott on the other hand... I wouldn't touch those dudes' cards with a 10-foot pole.[/QUOTE]

Tell us you own Burrow cards without telling us you own Burrow cards:D

Unless he has some off-field trouble, any Burrow RC that you buy next month will be able to be sold at a profit in August or September

[QUOTE=Mj4au;18679380]SB wins hardly mean anything (unless you are overly popular, hobby hyped) - Eli Manning, 2x Super Bowl Champ, says hi...[/QUOTE]

Eli's graded rookie cards fetch solid money. His PSA 10 Topps base cards were fetching more than flavor of the day PSA 10 2020 Donruss Burrow cards until he knocked off the Bills. The New York market probably helps but his raw rookies would be 50 cent box card show material without those wins.

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are better examples. Those rookies are 50 cent box material on a good day.

If Burrows prices fall, Allen’s will more


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[QUOTE=ScooterD;18679463]Unless he has some off-field trouble, any Burrow RC that you buy next month will be able to be sold at a profit in August or September[/QUOTE]

That's what everyone said last year at this time about Mahomes, and values crashed 50% between Feb and October:)!

[QUOTE=ScooterD;18679463]Unless he has some off-field trouble, any Burrow RC that you buy next month will be able to be sold at a profit in August or September[/QUOTE]

Careful giving this type of advice in todays world. You aren't accounting for the decline in the overall economy and the dip still left in the hobby. He very well may not decline at the rate of other QBs but the cards you buy today, can easily be less 8 months from now...that has nothing to do with performance.

[QUOTE=blockedbyjames;18679533]That's what everyone said last year at this time about Mahomes, and values crashed 50% between Feb and October:)![/QUOTE]

Tell us you own Mahomes cards without telling us you own Mahomes cards :D

[QUOTE=SupermanBrandon;18679540]Careful giving this type of advice in todays world. You aren't accounting for the decline in the overall economy and the dip still left in the hobby. He very well may not decline at the rate of other QBs but the cards you buy today, can easily be less 8 months from now...that has nothing to do with performance.[/QUOTE]

To be honest, I don’t understand the economy’s impact on the hobby. I have read lots of posts about it on here from multiple people who seem to (including you), and I’m just not smart enough to understand how all the factors work together to uniformly impact the value of every card ever made. My guess is that it’s not a blanket principle.

I also acknowledge that my opinion was stated as a fact and without any qualifiers - which no one should ever do. Mea culpa for that and thank you for pointing it out.

Issue for Burrow going ahead is what Mahomes deals with. The bar has been set very high. To appreciate, he’s got to exceed the bar. The run up to the bar just doesn’t do much for people. Both need to win a SB title.

The Mahomes index is down 50% since training camp ended despite putting together an MVP season in a year where people were predicting the demise of the Chiefs.

His cards like Allen, Jackson, and Herbert are overpriced. It's as if they all won a couple
Super Bowls already. Not all these guys can get there let alone win it. It's not easy.
The one positive is that most "investors" (not collectors) have short term memories
and will chase and pump when things are going well. You just to know when to dump.

Burrow would have been a great sell after the Bills game last week.

I should add that if you can get out at a reasonable price, do it! SELL!!!!!!!!

If you have a bunch of base rookies...graded or raw. SELL!!!!

If you have some limited rookies and autographs... those won't see nearly as big of a drop and I'd imagine they would be ones to hold value long term.

The card market is slowly getting back to the normal levels we saw before the hype/sneaker bois got involved.

Just a little knowledge to the hype/sneaker boi group that recently got involved with cards.... Base cards are not RARE...even PSA 10 versions.... if your collection is mostly non special base cards... SELL NOW!!!! Quality > Quantity Get out of your junk base and improve to a low POP Blue or better.

This is about EVERYONE... not just Burrow. Base are bad.... mmkay!!!

Just came to see I'd love to see where his Rated Rookie holo sold for $900 last night, graded or not

Burrow is long term hold, do not dump your Burrows, even the base.

I stopped collecting football cards when Topps got the the shaft, so I have no investment interest at all that prompts me to say that 82 tds and 11k+ passing yards in 3 seasons (with him having missed some games in one of them) along with his two playoff appearances (both ending in late 3 point losses to championship caliber teams) are some pretty solid early credentials.

Lol. Mid to high end of almost every modern QB is declining, Mahomeboi and Hurts included. Despite their winning and awards.

Don't let the Jim Cramers tell you otherwise.

The only real money maker was Purdy, and that was because all the uneducated silicone valley casual money pouring into anything Brock related.

There's nothing safe in today's environment.


I'd rather be a hoarder of welfare bass than a 6 figure 'grail', that's for sure.

[QUOTE=GaryPayton;18679745]Burrow is long term hold, do not dump your Burrows, even the base.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't [I]dump[/I] him but at some point you gotta win or the hype fades and your cards are sitting next to those of Matt Ryan. Time is on his side to pull a Matthew Stafford but it's tough to sit on high buy-in stuff, potentially for years. He was not a Mahommes, Lamar Jackson, Purdy, etc. that could have been picked up dirt cheap when initially released.

Even after the Bills game, his prices were lower than before the playoffs started 12 months ago. Roughly 75-80%.

Now it is closer to 50-60%. So yes, as others have covered, they have and will likely continue as people struggle to get through recession. Long term hold and hope.

I hope so ..

Outside of patty cakes.

Not sure who I would trust to get to Super Bowl multiple times

Plus compared to mahomes. Burrow stuff is a steal imo

Yes print runs way up since 2017 to 2020

But buy numbered cards or color Psa 10

[QUOTE=tconte;18679694]His cards like Allen, Jackson, and Herbert are overpriced. It's as if they all won a couple
Super Bowls already. Not all these guys can get there let alone win it. It's not easy.
The one positive is that most "investors" (not collectors) have short term memories
and will chase and pump when things are going well. You just to know when to dump.

Burrow would have been a great sell after the Bills game last week.[/QUOTE]

Personally I don't think he is overpriced. He won more playoff games than all three guys you listed combined.

[QUOTE=PokeyAndG;18682305]Personally I don't think he is overpriced. He won more playoff games than all three guys you listed combined.[/QUOTE]

He also has as many playoff wins in half a season as Dak Prescott has in 7 seasons

If they do drop drastically I will definitely be a buyer! Behind Mahomes this kid is the next best thing and has a great young team built around him, similar to what Mahomes had. Lets not sit here and act like they just got blown out in the AFC Championship game. They gave KC all they could handle and if it wasn't for a boneheaded play that got the penalty the game was about to go to OT. They had every shot to win that game and Burrow played great considering the OL injuries, made big plays when they needed them the most. He's now 3-1 against KC, not to many QBs that can say that. The future is bright for Burrow

Tua, Herbert, and Josh Allen are all good QBs but their values are maybe even more absurd IMO. I can’t touch their high end as an investment

[QUOTE=sethc1020;18682664]If they do drop drastically I will definitely be a buyer! Behind Mahomes this kid is the next best thing and has a great young team built around him, similar to what Mahomes had. Lets not sit here and act like they just got blown out in the AFC Championship game. They gave KC all they could handle and if it wasn't for a boneheaded play that got the penalty the game was about to go to OT.

They had every shot to win that game and Burrow played great considering the OL injuries, made big plays when they needed them the most. He's now 3-1 against KC, not to many QBs that can say that. The future is bright for Burrow[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=sethc1020;18682664]If they do drop drastically I will definitely be a buyer! Behind Mahomes this kid is the next best thing and has a great young team built around him, similar to what Mahomes had. Lets not sit here and act like they just got blown out in the AFC Championship game. They gave KC all they could handle and if it wasn't for a boneheaded play that got the penalty the game was about to go to OT. They had every shot to win that game and Burrow played great considering the OL injuries,[B][U] made big plays when they needed them the most.[/U][/B] He's now 3-1 against KC, not to many QBs that can say that. The future is bright for Burrow[/QUOTE]

I'd say when they needed him most was when the Bengals got the ball back with 2:30, a tie game, and a chance to win it.

Who's career does Burrow have to have in order for his prices (today) to make sense and make people money, longterm?

I know most guys talking up any QB isnt actually looking longterm. They may be talking longterm, but they aren't holding longterm.

[QUOTE=SupermanBrandon;18683406]Who's career does Burrow have to have in order for his prices (today) to make sense and make people money, longterm?

I know most guys talking up any QB isnt actually looking longterm. They may be talking longterm, but they aren't holding longterm.[/QUOTE]
Peyton.

[QUOTE=SupermanBrandon;18683406]Who's career does Burrow have to have in order for his prices (today) to make sense and make people money, longterm?

I know most guys talking up any QB isnt actually looking longterm. They may be talking longterm, but they aren't holding longterm.[/QUOTE]

Any top QB with recent hype is overpriced (Burrow, Herbert, Allen, Lawrence, Tua). This is a known quantity. Question is who one feels best in a shot/long term hold to invest in?

Only one is a made man for avoiding the risk of significant drop (Mahomes). Also prohibitively expensive to get in now for most.

For the guys listed above, likely 2 at most hold value in 3 yrs. The rest become a Murray/winston/Baker cautionary tale. Hurts still has incredible value, but I think many in the hobby still aren't sold. Won't be for long if he wins.

Just about who you feel the best with while knowing it may be dumpster money. Outside of Mahomes who I missed on and too late to get in, I feel best about Burrow and Lawrence. Others feel different.

To answer your question, I think it assumes 2 career SB's and at least 1 MVP to justify current investment prices.

[QUOTE=tjforce;18683373]I'd say when they needed him most was when the Bengals got the ball back with 2:30, a tie game, and a chance to win it.[/QUOTE]

True but he did move the ball, they started that drive on the 10 yard line. 2 bad play calls on 2 & 3 and 3 & 3 killed the drive. This is the time in the game when you need to lean on the run game a bit to run clock but they couldn't with that mix of O-linemen. KC knew it also but you are right, thats when he was needed the most so no excuses.

[QUOTE=sethc1020;18682664]If they do drop drastically I will definitely be a buyer! Behind Mahomes this kid is the next best thing and has a great young team built around him, similar to what Mahomes had. Lets not sit here and act like they just got blown out in the AFC Championship game. They gave KC all they could handle and if it wasn't for a boneheaded play that got the penalty the game was about to go to OT. They had every shot to win that game and Burrow played great considering the OL injuries, made big plays when they needed them the most. He's now 3-1 against KC, not to many QBs that can say that. The future is bright for Burrow[/QUOTE]

Yup, I think it's wrong to lump Joe with Tua, Herbert, Allen, when he has demonstrated a lot more success. He hasn't had Mahomes success but who really does?

[QUOTE=PokeyAndG;18684111]Yup, I think it's wrong to lump Joe with Tua, Herbert, Allen, when he has demonstrated a lot more success. He hasn't had Mahomes success but who really does?[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't even group Allen with those other two.

Burrow and Allen are much closer to being the same category than the others.

Same age, Allen has done a lot more in the regular season. I won't get into stats, since Allen has so many more games that he blows Joe out of the water, but he has more than double the wins and a considerably higher winning %.

It's hard to even argue that Burrow has been a better playoff performer. Sure, his team has done better, but he's never had a defense that has made his score more than 25 pts to win. Statistically, in only 1 more game, Allen has 19 touchdowns to Burrow's 10. They have the same amount of INTs.

I'm not picking one or the other here, but it's still close.

It’s a given TJ doesn’t like Burrow, very rarely anything positive, always something negative. Well this, well that in every single thread, like he’s almost scared of him. We get it, he’s not Mahomes.

[QUOTE=Gthompson1978;18684752]It’s a given TJ doesn’t like Burrow, very rarely anything positive, always something negative. Well this, well that in every single thread, like he’s almost scared of him. We get it, he’s not Mahomes.[/QUOTE]

Right, because I only put him as a solid top 3 guy under 35 right now, I'm scared of him or a hater.

Or maybe it's because I'm able to think for myself and disengage from whatever events happen to be most recent, and not be as much of a victim of the moment as some.

And it's done me very well over the years. From a card perspective, I managed to not get distracted by whatever shiny new thing came out for twenty years, and instead just acquired some really nice Tom Brady cards. There were probably 50 prospect quarterbacks in that time that I watched other people chase while I stayed the course. It paid off. Did the same for LeBron. That worked.

Now I'm doing the same thing all over again. I started collecting Mahomes because I did my own homework and saw a guy that was head and shoulders above the rest. And while so many others have gotten distracted chasing the shiny new object:
-Lamar
-Baker
-Allen
-Kyler
-Herbert
-Burrow
-Hurts
-Lawrence
-Fields
-Jones
-Purdy

And probably some other guys I'm forgetting, I'm just once again staying the course. If at some point I recognize a guy that I think tops Mahomes, you can be sure I'll be on the hunt to repeat the same pattern that has worked for me for so well.

Until then, just appreciate that I am giving you my honest opinion. You may think my opinion sucks, and you have a right to, but trust me when I tell you that I'm so far ahead in this card game that I don't need to try to do anything other than give my gods honest opinion. And history says that more often then not, I've been right.

[QUOTE=tjforce;18684760]Right, because I only put him as a solid top 3 guy under 35 right now, I'm scared of him or a hater.

Or maybe it's because I'm able to think for myself and disengage from whatever events happen to be most recent, and not be as much of a victim of the moment as some.

And it's done me very well over the years. From a card perspective, I managed to not get distracted by whatever shiny new thing came out for twenty years, and instead just acquired some really nice Tom Brady cards. There were probably 50 prospect quarterbacks in that time that I watched other people chase while I stayed the course. It paid off. Did the same for LeBron. That worked.

Now I'm doing the same thing all over again. I started collecting Mahomes because I did my own homework and saw a guy that was head and shoulders above the rest. And while so many others have gotten distracted chasing the shiny new object:
-Lamar
-Baker
-Allen
-Kyler
-Herbert
-Burrow
-Hurts
-Lawrence
-Fields
-Jones
-Purdy

And probably some other guys I'm forgetting, I'm just once again staying the course. If at some point I recognize a guy that I think tops Mahomes, you can be sure I'll be on the hunt to repeat the same pattern that has worked for me for so well.

Until then, just appreciate that I am giving you my honest opinion. You may think my opinion sucks, and you have a right to, but trust me when I tell you that I'm so far ahead in this card game that I don't need to try to do anything other than give my gods honest opinion. And history says that more often then not, I've been right.[/QUOTE]


Brady, a 6th round pick, you get on him after the draft, after the 1st SB or the 3rd or what, and Lebron wasn’t a miss for the majority of people.

The problem with the Mahomes or nothing argument is the same in every other sport.

If you're in it purely just from the investment perspective, then you would have left a ton of money on the table relegating all your money into ONLY the top player in each sport. You also open yourself up to greater risk tolerance if a Purdy-like injury occurs by placing all your eggs in a smaller basket.

In baseball, people have done quite handsomely buying/selling guys other than Trout. Basketball...there are a plethora of guys other than Lebron that have paid off handsomely. Football the same.

It's all a matter of when you get in. Let's not act like hoards of people didn't also lose their rears on Patty mid-high end by getting in at the wrong time. That's not necessarily an indictment on them or their selection process, it's more an indictment on the market in general and the imminent risks involved in any speculative investment. I don't think there were too many people that foresaw high end Mahomes cards dropping precipitously over the course of this season despite him and his team's success.


Here's the thing: Burrows isn't priced like Mahomes. Not even close. So it's not a 1:1 comparison. I think there's a lot more potential upside in Burrows than there is Mahomes at current pricing. Sure, there may be more downside on a sliding scale, but the entire market at large is susceptible to more red candles given the uncertainty of the near term economy.

Just let people buy/clect what they like. Seems to be a lost art on here. A 3rd year player loses the AFC championship after back to back appearances and suddenly his career's over or he's peaked according to rival investerbois.

But hey. This is why we Blowout.

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Good rule of thumb:

If you want your ego stroked for your amazing investment cards...go post on IG. You will get all the fire/goat/king emojis your little heart can desire.

If you want to hear 2 extremes re: your investment...post here.

[QUOTE=Gthompson1978;18684767]Brady, a 6th round pick, you get on him after the draft, after the 1st SB or the 3rd or what, and Lebron wasn’t a miss for the majority of people.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ninjacookies;18684768]The problem with the Mahomes or nothing argument is the same in every other sport.

If you're in it purely just from the investment perspective, then you would have left a ton of money on the table relegating all your money into ONLY the top player in each sport. You also open yourself up to greater risk tolerance if a Purdy-like injury occurs by placing all your eggs in a smaller basket.

In baseball, people have done quite handsomely buying/selling guys other than Trout. Basketball...there are a plethora of guys other than Lebron that have paid off handsomely. Football the same.

It's all a matter of when you get in. Let's not act like hoards of people didn't also lose their rears on Patty mid-high end by getting in at the wrong time. That's not necessarily an indictment on them or their selection process, it's more an indictment on the market in general and the imminent risks involved in any speculative investment. I don't think there were too many people that foresaw high end Mahomes cards dropping precipitously over the course of this season despite him and his team's success.


Here's the thing: Burrows isn't priced like Mahomes. Not even close. So it's not a 1:1 comparison. I think there's a lot more potential upside in Burrows than there is Mahomes at current pricing. Sure, there may be more downside on a sliding scale, but the entire market at large is susceptible to more red candles given the uncertainty of the near term economy.

Just let people buy/clect what they like. Seems to be a lost art on here. A 3rd year player loses the AFC championship after back to back appearances and suddenly his career's over or he's peaked according to rival investerbois.

But hey. This is why we Blowout.

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You have to be strategic about things.

I don't prospect anyone. People think you have to get in before the guy's first game to make a killing, and that's just wrong.

I got into Mahomes after his first Super Bowl. Far from ground floor, but knowing the right things to buy, I made a few flips that got me 40-75x returns in less than 2 years.

I didn't get into Giannis until his first or second MVP season. LeBron and Brady were different, as I was picking them up over the years with a much lower budget, and back before there was so much money in this game that flipping could be so lucrative. But my biggest gain ever was on a Brady card I bought in Fall 2021 and sold 6 months later. So yes, while everyone was loading up on Burrow, Herbert, and probably Mahomes, I identified the right Brady card and nailed it.

So with that said, I'm confident there are good Burrow investments out there, just like I'd bet that there are bad Mahomes investments out there (I wouldn't touch a Kaboom Mahomes, for example).

[QUOTE=tjforce;18685975]You have to be strategic about things.

I don't prospect anyone. People think you have to get in before the guy's first game to make a killing, and that's just wrong.

I got into Mahomes after his first Super Bowl. Far from ground floor, but knowing the right things to buy, I made a few flips that got me 40-75x returns in less than 2 years.

I didn't get into Giannis until his first or second MVP season. LeBron and Brady were different, as I was picking them up over the years with a much lower budget, and back before there was so much money in this game that flipping could be so lucrative. But my biggest gain ever was on a Brady card I bought in Fall 2021 and sold 6 months later. So yes, while everyone was loading up on Burrow, Herbert, and probably Mahomes, I identified the right Brady card and nailed it.

So with that said, I'm confident there are good Burrow investments out there, just like I'd bet that there are bad Mahomes investments out there (I wouldn't touch a Kaboom Mahomes, for example).[/QUOTE]

Hell, people made a killing flipping LJax the same year Mahomes won the SB. In fact, I remember that year fondly because Mahomes' stuff experienced a swift drop-off directly following the win, to the dismay of many.

People also made a killing flipping Burrow and Herbert their first 2 seasons. Some even made a small fortune scalping Allen through the first half of the year.

There is never one superstar in every sport. And while I certainly do think Mahomes has the inside track to winning with the most frequency, odds favor him not hoisting 10 Lombardis in 10 seasons. I will say though. If he loses again this year, then that grip will loosen a bit more...as we'll now have 2 young superbowl winning stars with another one knocking on the door.


Infinite ways and strategies to make money in any sector, be it stocks, kards, crypto...whatever. No one right answer. Investerbois as a whole really don't care as much about hyper advanced QBR/Raptor+/FWar metrics as some make it seem. They care about winning, charisma, likeability, entertainment, and pleasant surface level statlines.

We're about to witness the #1 Burrow card tank to date:

1 year ago the Immaculate 1/1 sold for 534K

The owner listed it in the current PWCC auction. I doubt that card even does 50K now.

That's a tank of over 90% value in 1 year if anyone's counting.

[QUOTE=blockedbyjames;18687174]We're about to witness the #1 Burrow card tank to date:

1 year ago the Immaculate 1/1 sold for 534K

The owner listed it in the current PWCC auction. I doubt that card even does 50K now.

That's a tank of over 90% value in 1 year if anyone's counting.[/QUOTE]

Time for all those "undervalued" believers to step up to the plate and take a big swing.

[QUOTE=ninjacookies;18686377]Hell, people made a killing flipping LJax the same year Mahomes won the SB. In fact, I remember that year fondly because Mahomes' stuff experienced a swift drop-off directly following the win, to the dismay of many.

People also made a killing flipping Burrow and Herbert their first 2 seasons. Some even made a small fortune scalping Allen through the first half of the year.

There is never one superstar in every sport. And while I certainly do think Mahomes has the inside track to winning with the most frequency, odds favor him not hoisting 10 Lombardis in 10 seasons. I will say though. If he loses again this year, then that grip will loosen a bit more...as we'll now have 2 young superbowl winning stars with another one knocking on the door.


Infinite ways and strategies to make money in any sector, be it stocks, kards, crypto...whatever. No one right answer. Investerbois as a whole really don't care as much about hyper advanced QBR/Raptor+/FWar metrics as some make it seem. They care about winning, charisma, likeability, entertainment, and pleasant surface level statlines.[/QUOTE]

That was such a great year. I think I moved 10-15 Optic Lamar 10s at $600-$700 each. Man, take me back lol

[QUOTE=blockedbyjames;18687174]We're about to witness the #1 Burrow card tank to date:

1 year ago the Immaculate 1/1 sold for 534K

The owner listed it in the current PWCC auction. I doubt that card even does 50K now.

That's a tank of over 90% value in 1 year if anyone's counting.[/QUOTE]

$500k for an Immaculate card, gross.

I mean, hey, just in the last couple of weeks a Justin Herbert NT RPA BGS 9.5 sold for $90k, so you never know.

[QUOTE=blockedbyjames;18687174]We're about to witness the #1 Burrow card tank to date:

1 year ago the Immaculate 1/1 sold for 534K

The owner listed it in the current PWCC auction. I doubt that card even does 50K now.

That's a tank of over 90% value in 1 year if anyone's counting.[/QUOTE]

The biggest question is why in the world is the seller selling now?

Needs the cash?

Why not just sit on it until he wins a SB?

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;18687298]The biggest question is why in the world is the seller selling now?

Needs the cash?

Why not just sit on it until he wins a SB?[/QUOTE]

Is he guaranteed to win one?

My guess is that was the guy's plan this year.

[QUOTE=blockedbyjames;18687174]We're about to witness the #1 Burrow card tank to date:

1 year ago the Immaculate 1/1 sold for 534K

The owner listed it in the current PWCC auction. I doubt that card even does 50K now.

That's a tank of over 90% value in 1 year if anyone's counting.[/QUOTE]

I read posts like this and I just ask myself WHY?

WHY would somebody spend half a million freaking dollars on Burrow?

WHY dump it now?

This isn't investing, folks. This is stupidity at its highest level!

[QUOTE=tjforce;18687340]Is he guaranteed to win one?

My guess is that was the guy's plan this year.[/QUOTE]

Extreme example of investor boi getting his hand caught in the cookie jar.

Forced to sell due to margin call or job layoff or degenerate speculating.

How can someone be so reckless with their money?

[QUOTE=HeyRelaxGuy;18687359]I read posts like this and I just ask myself WHY?

WHY would somebody spend half a million freaking dollars on Burrow?

WHY dump it now?

This isn't investing, folks. This is stupidity at its highest level![/QUOTE]

Margin call. Taxes due. Pure idiot. Gambler that was hoping for a SB. The hobby is full of those guys. Spend 10 minutes on IG and you will see dozens of them.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;18687381]Extreme example of investor boi getting his hand caught in the cookie jar.

Forced to sell due to margin call or job layoff or degenerate speculating.

How can someone be so reckless with their money?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SupermanBrandon;18687386]Margin call. Taxes due. Pure idiot. Gambler that was hoping for a SB. The hobby is full of those guys. Spend 10 minutes on IG and you will see dozens of them.[/QUOTE]

As much as I want to get on people's cases for Burrow, people were spending 6 figures on Mac Jones and Trey Lance last summer. And I really think that hurt the entire market... the fact that people were spending that kind of money on cards that probably dropped 80-90% over the course of 3 months.

[QUOTE=hermanotarjeta;18687381]

How can someone be so reckless with their money?[/QUOTE]

... or his dad's money. Could be another one of those "born to a very rich dad and blows away his money" kind of guys (think Donald Trump). There are lots of them in your country.

Another thing just dawned on me right now while reading an article...

This year was Burrow's 1st pro bowl selection. He's 26. He has as many Pro Bowl selections and Justin Herbert, and yes, Tyler Huntley.

[QUOTE=tjforce;18687412]Another thing just dawned on me right now while reading an article...

This year was Burrow's 1st pro bowl selection. He's 26. He has as many Pro Bowl selections and Justin Herbert, and yes, Tyler Huntley.[/QUOTE]

Only so many AFCCG wins to go around the next 12 yrs with all the QBs. And having Mahomes being one....there are going to be a lot of buying opportunities in the next 2 yrs from those overlevereged.

Also why I can't get into the NT RPA game. Way too much risk. I'm fine with my low-to-mid 'nice' holds. Easier to sleep at night. Taking a 90% hit on a 1 of 1 gives me cold sweats.

Meanwhile Hurts is competing against plumbers in the NFC, while the AFC is stacked for the next decade

[QUOTE=tjforce;18687412]Another thing just dawned on me right now while reading an article...

This year was Burrow's 1st pro bowl selection. He's 26. He has as many Pro Bowl selections and Justin Herbert, and yes, Tyler Huntley.[/QUOTE]

Pro Bowl selections feel like the ultimate cred stretch today. I mean including Huntley in this..kind of says it all, no lol?

[QUOTE=tjforce;18687412]Another thing just dawned on me right now while reading an article...

This year was Burrow's 1st pro bowl selection. He's 26. He has as many Pro Bowl selections and Justin Herbert, and yes, Tyler Huntley.[/QUOTE]

Who really cares about pro bowls, but it’s just something else to say negative about Burrow lol

[QUOTE=chasacar86;18687711]Pro Bowl selections feel like the ultimate cred stretch today. I mean including Huntley in this..kind of says it all, no lol?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gthompson1978;18688141]Who really cares about pro bowls, but it’s just something else to say negative about Burrow lol[/QUOTE]

The Huntley thing says a lot. Think of how low the barrier to get into the Pro Bowl is now.

But this is just the honest truth. I think all-pro selections will carry a lot more weight. Even Mahomes only has 2 of those.

But the biggest point is that any idea that Burrow is far and away the #2 guy is a relatively new thing. Heck, imagine what the takes will be if Hurt wins next weekend.

Just Mahomies trolling on Burrow. Too bad they can’t stay in their lane.

[QUOTE=JeremyNick;18688172]Just Mahomies trolling on Burrow. Too bad they can’t stay in their lane.[/QUOTE]

Do you think Burrow is far and away better than Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, Justin Herbert, and any other QB in the NFL age 26 and under?

[QUOTE=JeremyNick;18688172]Just Mahomies trolling on Burrow. Too bad they can’t stay in their lane.[/QUOTE]

Yeah and he has as many SB wins as Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles and Russell Wilson just to name a few

[QUOTE=tjforce;18688176]Do you think Burrow is far and away better than Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, Justin Herbert, and any other QB in the NFL age 26 and under?[/QUOTE]

Do you think I care?

I was just pointing out how hard the Mahomies troll other QB threads.

Take for example, your constant bumping of the RW thread all season.

[QUOTE=JeremyNick;18688186]Do you think I care?

I was just pointing out how hard the Mahomies troll other QB threads.

Take for example, your constant bumping of the RW thread all season.[/QUOTE]

But I'm not trolling this thread. Here are my most thought out comments in this thread, they are rather Burrow friendly:

[B]"I don't know that he tanks (relative to other QBs) because other than Mahomes and Hurts, there weren't any other hobby qbs who had a better playoff run.
This team will be loaded again next year and he'll get a lot of hype as Super Bowl favorites, or close to it. He's still got some time before collectors really start to move on."[/B]

[B]"I'd say when they needed him most was when the Bengals got the ball back with 2:30, a tie game, and a chance to win it.
[/B]
[B]"I wouldn't even group Allen with those other two.
Burrow and Allen are much closer to being the same category than the others.
Same age, Allen has done a lot more in the regular season. I won't get into stats, since Allen has so many more games that he blows Joe out of the water, but he has more than double the wins and a considerably higher winning %.
It's hard to even argue that Burrow has been a better playoff performer. Sure, his team has done better, but he's never had a defense that has made his score more than 25 pts to win. Statistically, in only 1 more game, Allen has 19 touchdowns to Burrow's 10. They have the same amount of INTs.
I'm not picking one or the other here, but it's still close."
[/B]

[B]"So with that said, I'm confident there are good Burrow investments out there, just like I'd bet that there are bad Mahomes investments out there"
[/B]

[B]"This year was Burrow's 1st pro bowl selection. He's 26. He has as many Pro Bowl selections and Justin Herbert, and yes, Tyler Huntley."
[/B]


So what have I done here:

-I've stated my opinion that Burrow is a top 3 young QB right now, in both tier rankings and playoff performance this year

-I've stated there are certain cards of Burrow out there that are better investments than certain Mahomes cards

-I've stated that he's made 1 Pro Bowl (which is an undisputable fact).

If that's being a hater, then I'm not sure it's possible to give a good honest assessment of the guy other than being the person on Instagram that says "He's the GOAT!".